How Do Y'all Afford Hiring These Days?

[+ Alabastrine]

On 3/21/2025 at 12:54 PM, Gar1eth said:

In another thread someone spoke of a provider in NYC charging $500/hr. I know that's not abnormal now, but----
 

I have not hired anyone yet, but I am smitten by a provider who charges $400 an hour and it gave me pause since my expenses have almost doubled in the past 5 years. It's also more difficult to move money around without being noticed if you have shared accounts.

23 hours ago, jessmapex said:

Gosh! I am glad i am not the only one feeling the crunch. My raises have not kept with the inflation. Stocks had shot up, but now they are back down. I have to cut hiring down by 50% .

Same, the small increases are nice and I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth, but it's not moving me up. As for stocks, the only good thing when they fall is that it's an opportunity to buy some good stocks on the cheap. When the market dips the good stocks go down in price with the lot, but bounce back higher once the market recovers.

[GTMike]

In the last year I've personally seen quotes of $350, $400, $550, $1,000, $500, $250, $700, $300.

The most commonly quoted is $350 and $400.

The more experienced gents (who it's obvious they use RM as a higher percentage of their income),  are usually in the $300/$350 range sometimes $400.

The newer less experienced/professionally oriented ones tend to be in the $400 - $500 range but seem way less engaged with seeing clients in any regularity.

I have noticed the $550/$500 quote less often after peaking mid to late last year and the frequency and amount now trending downward.

Furthermore when i say "more experienced/professional", that is not necessarily a proxy for age. I'm basing this on 22 - 23 years olds veterans who have been in the business solidly for 4 to 5 years and 29 - 34 year olds who may have just started within last 12 - 18 months.

[buckguy]

It’s an expensive hobby and you do what anyone does with an expensive hobby, you either figure out how to save or you’re lucky enough to have a large income. There’s always an emphasis on the most outrageous prices, even though the average provider didn’t raise their prices 50-100%. Travel, theater tickets and other often costly hobbies have gotten more expensive, too, along with necessities. We had a long period without much inflation in any major cost items except maybe housing, but part of the apparent runupi. Provider prices are those at the extremes who often don’t  know the market or were able to cash in on the early days of OF. For a variety of reasons I didn’t hire for a few years, but even though Ifind it more costly, but relative to every5hing else, not that outrageous.

[+ 7829V]

The blessing of living just a short drive from Mexico: where $100 can get you a really hot guy and a great time. It’s like happy hour… but hotter and without the watered-down drinks! 😄

[Archangel]

1 hour ago, buckguy said:

It’s an expensive hobby

I knew it was just a matter of time before this platitudinal excuse reared its head. 

[Archangel]

3 hours ago, Alabastrine said:

…bounce back higher once the market recovers.

Still waiting for that bounce!

While I don’t buy eggs since I have my own girls out back who make me breakfast every morning, I sure wish the value of a chicken egg had come down and not the value of my nest egg!

[+ Gar1eth]

3 hours ago, Alabastrine said:

I have not hired anyone yet, but I am smitten by a provider who charges $400 an hour and it gave me pause since my expenses have almost doubled in the past 5 years. 

Just a bit of advice. I know what it's like to be smitten. But at $400 -I think I might do my darndest to see if I couldn't be 'smited' 😉by someone a bit less expensive.
 

Also, and of course I don't know where you live, but if at all possible, I'd try to choose an experienced provider who has universally good reviews. This was a lot easier to figure out years ago-back when the Review Site was up and running. 
 

In my case it was imperative to get an experienced provider for my first experience as I was a total virgin. Had never attempted anything with men or women. Had never even fumbled in the backseat of a car as a teenager. The most I had done was a quick peck on the cheek or lips of a woman while on a date (and the last time that had even occurred was years before I finally hired). I lucked out. My guy was a former porn 'star'-well at least an actor-and was very kind to me. 
 

Here's to hoping you've had more experience than I had. 

Edited March 23 by Gar1eth

[+ Alabastrine]

13 minutes ago, Archangel said:

Still waiting for that bounce!

While I don’t buy eggs since I have my own girls out back who make me breakfast every morning, I sure wish the value of a chicken egg had come down and not the value of my nest egg!

yeah, it's rough to stomach the market's waves and whims, which can last years... I don't know how how hedge fund bankers do their job and not want to jump out of a building.

It's wonderful that you have your own hens!! What breed of chickens do you have?

[BrooklynIrish]

2 hours ago, GTMike said:

The most commonly quoted is $350 and $400.

The more experienced gents (who it's obvious they use RM as a higher percentage of their income),  are usually in the $300/$350 range sometimes $400.

The newer less experienced/professionally oriented ones tend to be in the $400 - $500 range but seem way less engaged with seeing clients in any regularity.

Obviously it’s anecdotal but this is pretty similar to my experiences. 

I find guys who want repeat clients who treat them well and have a rapport charge more in the $250-$350 range. I also find a lot of the younger guys who are charging $500 to not be worth it. 

More than inflation, I think OnlyFans has distorted the market. 

[+ ApexNomad]

5 minutes ago, Alabastrine said:

yeah, it's rough to stomach the market's waves and whims, which can last years... I don't know how how hedge fund bankers do their job and not want to jump out of a building.

It's wonderful that you have your own hens!! What breed of chickens do you have?

Hedge fund managers? They probably own the building they’re jumping out of and land on a pile of cash. They’re fine.

[+ Alabastrine]

1 minute ago, ApexNomad said:

Hedge fund managers? They probably own the building they’re jumping out of and land on a pile of cash. They’re fine.

I'm in the wrong business!!!

[+ Alabastrine]

9 minutes ago, Gar1eth said:

Just a bit of advice. I know what it's like to be smitten. But at $400 -I think I might do my darndest to see if I couldn't be 'smited' 😉by someone a bit less expensive.
 

Also, and of course I don't know where you live, but if at all possible, I'd try to choose an experienced provider who has universally good reviews. This was a lot easier to figure out years ago-back when the Review Site was up and running. 
 

In my case it was imperative to get an experienced provider for my first experience as I was a total virgin. Had never attempted anything with men or women. Had never even fumbled in the backseat of a car as a teenager. The most I had done was a quick peck on the cheek or lips of a woman while on a date (and the last time that had even occurred was years before I finally hired). I lucked out. My guy was a former porn 'star'-well at least an actor-and was very kind to me. 
 

Here's to hoping you've had more experience than I had. 

I agree, part of why I'm here is to research other providers. Good to have options! I still ogle that $400/hr guy from afar, albeit "respectfully" 😇.

I'm glad that you found the perfect provider for your first experience! I can imagine all the anxiety must have been rough. so finding that kind provider must have been worth his weight in gold.

Haven't really had a lot of "fun" in my life, looking to change that (it's complicated). I'm in a major metro area of Texas, prices seem all over the place, but I'm not sure what's considered the "average". but $400 is steep- reason for a newb like me to do more research before pulling the trigger, 

[TyrEngineer]

$300 is very standard here in the PNW, I usually ignore anything over this. Being selective seems to be working well for my wallet, only really schedule with traveling guys that check every single box. Ultimately I am sacrificing other things I enjoy to afford this hobby, such is live, but I try my best to use it as a learning opportunity and education is expensive.

[ShortCutie7]

4 hours ago, GTMike said:

In the last year I've personally seen quotes of $350, $400, $550, $1,000, $500, $250, $700, $300.

The most commonly quoted is $350 and $400.

The more experienced gents (who it's obvious they use RM as a higher percentage of their income),  are usually in the $300/$350 range sometimes $400.

The newer less experienced/professionally oriented ones tend to be in the $400 - $500 range but seem way less engaged with seeing clients in any regularity.

I have noticed the $550/$500 quote less often after peaking mid to late last year and the frequency and amount now trending downward.

Furthermore when i say "more experienced/professional", that is not necessarily a proxy for age. I'm basing this on 22 - 23 years olds veterans who have been in the business solidly for 4 to 5 years and 29 - 34 year olds who may have just started within last 12 - 18 months.

When I did some data analysis a few months ago, I found that the majority of 1-hour incalls in NYC fall in the $300-$400 range, with $350 as the median and $400 as the mode.  
As for the four men I have seen for 1-hour incalls, three charged $300 and one charged $350- the $350 one was the least engaged of the group (though I enjoyed the company of them all)!  I am open to seeing a man who charges up to $400, but once the rate goes above that I would be afraid of feeling ripped off during the session.  I really can’t afford to pay it, but make it work anyway because I know that my body/heart/brain needs it.

To be totally honest, I expected the “going rates” to be significantly lower than what they are before I joined this site and started engaging with providers,  because I was comparing the anticipated rate to the salary of someone with a “regular” job.  But I now realize how much goes into being a provider, and there really is no comparison to any other occupation (although we all often feel like we’re getting fucked at work 😉).

[+ Gar1eth]

8 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

This is a great forum topic, as many have noted that despite  their increases in salary and resources, they are now more conservative with hiring as the rates have exceeded father than the rates of actual inflation. 

When the rates of a product or service has far exceeded the availability of resources of the customer base, this usually indicates  some form of price gouging. 

The current rates are exploitative and soon,  this hiring bubble will burst, as these services aren’t “essential” to most. 
 

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Archangel said:

I want to believe you but sadly I don’t. I think there are a lot of guys who don’t understand basic economics. Nor do they care that they’re exploiting people – even if it is a “luxury good.” Call me cynical, but my take on most providers is that clients are a source of income first, people second. It’s a microsized iteration of the capitalization of labor by CEOs who make thousands of times the income of their employees. “Business.”

I think I'm going to have to agree with @Archangel. The problem is there are always going to be men who can afford these rates. And if a provider is desirable enough, he may get enough of these guys as clients. On top of that there will be the men who can't afford the afford the rates but will pay them anyway to the detriment of their bank account. Between these two types, I don't see prices coming down unless there would be some massive economic disturbance similar to the Great Depression. 

[+ Gar1eth]

24 minutes ago, ShortCutie7 said:

When I did some data analysis a few months ago, I found that the majority of 1-hour incalls in NYC fall in the $300-$400 range, with $350 as the median and $400 as the mode.  
As for the four men I have seen for 1-hour incalls, three charged $300 and one charged $350- the $350 one was the least engaged of the group (though I enjoyed the company of them all)!  I am open to seeing a man who charges up to $400, but once the rate goes above that I would be afraid of feeling ripped off during the session.  I really can’t afford to pay it, but make it work anyway because I know that my body/heart/brain needs it.

To be totally honest, I expected the “going rates” to be significantly lower than what they are before I joined this site and started engaging with providers,  because I was comparing the anticipated rate to the salary of someone with a “regular” job.  But I now realize how much goes into being a provider, and there really is no comparison to any other occupation (although we all often feel like we’re getting fucked at work 😉).

Any info on 2 hour rates?  When I used to hire, two hours seemed like a better time frame for me as things didn't feel so rushed from the moment the door opened-esp for first time meetings. 

[ShortCutie7]

14 minutes ago, Gar1eth said:

Any info on 2 hour rates?  When I used to hire, two hours seemed like a better time frame for me as things didn't feel so rushed from the moment the door opened-esp for first time meetings. 

Not really, but a few of the guys have volunteered that their rates are $300 for 1 hour or $500 for 2… that would lead me to believe that the majority 2-hour sessions would fall in the $500-$700 range (presuming a “discount” from double the 1-hour rate).

[Massageguy99]

I will say I just hire less. I used to hire probably twice a month. Now I hire maybe once a quarter. 

The area I'm in has a lack of guys I enjoy so that makes it easier but the cost has gotten so high it is just not worth it to me. 

[Yukon21]

Id agree with Massageguy99 in hiring frequency.  But its not just the rate, but the higher risk that the meeting is a bust. In the last few years the flood of new guys that have no experience in the business charging the rates of a high performing, customer oriented escorts has increased to the point of having to be extra cautious about hiring an unknown.  Its too easy to get caught up in the hot pics of a guy thus causing the little head between your legs to over rule the decision making of big head on your shoulders. 

[+ FrankR]

I have two regulars - i see them every other week. Havent seen much of an uptick in rate, but I have upped the tip I give. Maybe it is because I hire mainly for massage that I havent bumped into the extraordinary rates. One of the guys will be finishing college soon and will likely move away for work, so I will have to hunt for a replacement…so will see how that goes. Luckily there is plenty of talent in NYC. 

[marylander1940]

On 3/21/2025 at 10:54 AM, Gar1eth said:

In another thread someone spoke of a provider in NYC charging $500/hr. I know that's not abnormal now, but----
 

Gosh!! $500 per hour-I don't see how y'all do it. Before my involuntary retirement 13 or so years ago, I hired fairly frequently-often a few times a week when I wasn't busy. But at least once every two to three weeks. It seems to me that I could usually get 2 hours for around $350 to $450. 
 

On top of that, I'd schedule semi frequent weekends every few months for Friday to Monday if I could get away with it for around $2500 (and even if we stayed local, we'd be at a hotel-so add in cost of hotel, dining out, activities, plane flights for the escort, and miscellaneous)    

If I were still working, I'm going to assume I would have a low 6 figure salary. But even with that I just can't see that I'd be hiring as frequently as I was accustomed to. My preference was for two hour meetings. I just can't imagine plopping down $1000 weekly for fun time. On top of that, I never hosted at home. So there'd be hotel fees on top of that if the guy didn't host. 
 

So as salaries don't seem to have risen as fast as escort fees, I'm thinking even if I were able to hire, my hiring would be sharply curtailed compared to what I was used to. I'm just in awe that so many of y'all can afford to hire as often as you do. 

I afford hiring because I received an education, had a good salary, lived within my means, invested money and when I turned 40 and started hiring I had the money to do it .

A frequent poster (can't remember his name)  drives on Uber after work and uses that extra income to hire. Maybe others should do the same! 

Being able to easily pay with credit cards also makes things easier. 

 

[Boaxxx]

I Uber (1 to 2 hours most weekday mornings) and use that as my "fun" money in addition to other discretionary, unforseen and known monthly/quarterly expenses (reoccurring charitable contributions, new tires, oil changes, plumbing/electrical problems, etc). I keep this money in a separate account and live off of my regular salary (mortgage, utilities, insurance, food, investments, etc). Based on how much I make each month I plan my hiring practices accordingly which varies from every four to eight weeks.  This works great for me and keeps me grounded. There are times, like all of us, when I get urges/desires that I need to control by taking matters into my own hands. Fortunately after some personal massage time those urges are released and I find that I just saved myself anywhere from $200 - $800. I also have depression and from time to time I simply lose desire which strangely but honestly saves me money and helps to build up my Uber account. 😉

My sessions average around $250 an hour and I primarily hire for massages. I personally would never pay $500 an hour for one guy and I'm not even sure I would do $400. If and when I do pay more it is due to a longer session, a specific request or an additional person.

Edited March 23 by Boaxxx

[Archangel]

3 hours ago, FrankR said:

One of the guys will be finishing college soon and will likely move away for work, so I will have to hunt for a replacement…

I think this may also be a factor for the higher rates out of step with inflation. To a certain degree, finding someone compatible is a cost, and when you do, you pay a bit of a premium until potentially there’s an agreement. But even then, nothing is certain. 

[Ali Gator]

I can't believe the guys who 'just joined' RMen / RMass and charge a premium. No reviews, just added that week. I'm not talking experienced guys who change their names over and over again, I'm talking newbies - and you can easily tell the difference (starting with their photos they include). $250 + for massage (which you know they have no experience in) and $350+ for 'full service' ? 

Maybe if they newbies started off at a more reasonable, introductory (introductory regarding them) rate and slowly built up a clientele with reviews, they could gradually get to those prices in a few years. But not their first week.

[BrooklynIrish]

2 minutes ago, Ali Gator said:

Maybe if they newbies started off at a more reasonable, introductory (introductory regarding them) rate and slowly built up a clientele with reviews, they could gradually get to those prices in a few years. But not their first week.

That's my take as well. I'm far less drawn to a "pretty face" and "rock-hard abs" than having a sense that the provider is a) actually skilled and b) enjoys the services they offer. Once I have an understanding of that then, I start thinking about how hot they are. 🤣