Masseurs on RentMen and Escorts on RentMasseur

[DunwoodyGuy]

I understand when a provider advertises on both platforms--I assume it means he does massage and is willing to go further, which is great. But what does it mean when a provider advertises on RentMasseur and seems to have no massage skills--or the reverse: When someone advertises on RentMen and seems to do massage only?

Am I the only one to find this odd--and maybe even a red flag?

[+ JamesB]

In my experience, more than half, if not the majority, of providers advertising on RMass have no formal massage training. Many seem to view it as an easy way to make money based on their appearance, with minimal effort. That said, there are providers who are genuinely trained and deliver excellent massages and overall experiences, but they’re the exception rather than the rule. Some use RMass as a stepping stone into escorting, while others are just not comfortable with the idea of offering escort services so they prefer the “I only do massages” approach to feel more comfortable about their offerings.

Lately, I’ve noticed a trend of providers who were exclusively on RMen for years now posting ads on RMass. This could be an attempt to reach a broader audience, offer limited escort services at a discount, or simply draw clients in to upsell additional services

[+ Jamie21]

There is no neat delineation between the two. Consider it a Venn diagram with considerable overlap between the Masseur / Rentmasseur circle and the Escort / Rentmen circle. How guys classify themselves is up to them - this isn’t a regulated industry. It’s incumbent on the buyer to do his diligence and ask questions. 
 

 

[Oakman]

3 hours ago, DunwoodyGuy said:

Am I the only one to find this odd--and maybe even a red flag?

I don’t consider it odd, just some gents putting out services in as many locations as possible and trying to make some coin. It doesn’t take too much effort to discern which guys are selling certified, professional massage services (on either site) and which are selling sexy times. Some men can do both. 
 

if you are looking for certified professional massage, “red flags” would be lack of certification, no photos of a massage studio, no supporting reviews, and no biographical information intelligently discussing massage technique. 
 

Namaste. 

[simongayx]

And I always ask whether they have a proper massage table -- rather than just the bed.    That tends to separate those with proper massage skills from the rest.   

[soloyo215]

7 hours ago, DunwoodyGuy said:

I understand when a provider advertises on both platforms--I assume it means he does massage and is willing to go further, which is great. But what does it mean when a provider advertises on RentMasseur and seems to have no massage skills--or the reverse: When someone advertises on RentMen and seems to do massage only?

Am I the only one to find this odd--and maybe even a red flag?

I find it a little odd, but I also think that there's a factor around the level of comfort that a provider feels about being fully open about the work that they do. As others have mentioned, a vast majority of the guys in rentmasseur have no formal training or certification as masseurs. It's not a fully regulated profession, so anyone can call themselves a masseur.

Other prefer the convenience that the masseur title gives them, but do whatever they want. They might feel like using it as a cover for escorting, or as an excuse to say no to clients that they don't want to "escort". The masseur title gives them a little more control over how the encounters go, though for less money.

Just my thoughts, not law.

[NJF]

Here is an example of the profiles that is confusing to me

ElevenSixLMTTOP - Pornstar Performer, Rentboy, Gay Massage in San Francisco, CA | RentMen

RENTMEN.EU

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Pornstar Performer & Rentboy in San Francisco, CA - ElevenSixLMTTOP: 11X7 LMT ICON

why advertising on RM for therapeutic massage? And all the nude pics?

[soloyo215]

8 hours ago, NJF said:

Here is an example of the profiles that is confusing to me

ElevenSixLMTTOP - Pornstar Performer, Rentboy, Gay Massage in San Francisco, CA | RentMen

RENTMEN.EU

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Pornstar Performer & Rentboy in San Francisco, CA - ElevenSixLMTTOP: 11X7 LMT ICON

why advertising on RM for therapeutic massage? And all the nude pics?

To me it's more confusing that he says that he's straight and a top.

He also list all these languages: English • Español • Français • Italiano • Dutch • Português • Deutsch • Ру́сский • ελληνικά • بهاس ملايو • Magyar • العَرَبِيَّة‎‎ • हिन्दी • বাংলা • 官话 • 日本語

Guy has issues.

Edited January 4 by soloyo215

[Shawn Monroe]

Let’s not forget the client side of this too. I’ve been booked for massage only appointments on Rentmen, and massage+more (or just more) on rentmasseur. 
 

some clients THEMSELVES may look down on paying for sex / an escort, but ironically see nothing wrong with going to a masseur and asking about extras. Even those types of interactions are talked about here. 
 

sum that all up to say that there is a vein diagram like @Simon Suracisaid. But it isn’t driven by providers, more so by clients. And providers trying to meet client demand. 

[Simon Suraci]

5 minutes ago, Shawn Monroe said:

Let’s not forget the client side of this too. I’ve been booked for massage only appointments on Rentmen, and massage+more (or just more) on rentmasseur.

^ Me too!!!

5 minutes ago, Shawn Monroe said:

some clients THEMSELVES may look down on paying for sex / an escort, but ironically see nothing wrong with going to a masseur and asking about extras. Even those types of interactions are talked about here.

^ 💯 I see this a lot.
Depends on the client. Varies a lot.

And let’s not forget the variety of services clients hire on RentMen. Last night, for example, a client hired me to accompany him a couple hours for a nice dinner. No sex. Just good conversation in public over some great food. He represents a minority of clients, but still it shows that people have different needs and hire them from different platforms.

There’s often overlap where a client wants sex and hires me on RentMen but then figures out I have great massage skills and comes back just for that. Or visa versa he finds me on RentMasseur wanting massage and then wants to hire me for sex the next time. For those of us providers offering both services it really makes sense to be on multiple platforms.

[DunwoodyGuy]

Oh, I'm sure there are clients who ask for one thing and expect or hope for another. And, yes, I know some of them are acting out with guilt and shame about hiring. But I started out by saying that when a provider advertises on both platforms, at least the provider is coming from a place of clarity and honesty. My post was about the seeming proliferation of ads like the one NJF posted from ElevenSixLTTTOP: He states in his RentMen ad "I provide massage services only," but his name says he tops and his pictures include several of his large erect penis as well as his butthole! What is he really trying to communicate? I seem to see a lot like that lately.

Anyway, thanks for responding Jamie, Simon, and Shawn. You are three of the most clear and most honest--and most appealing!--providers on the boards!

[+ ApexNomad]

7 hours ago, soloyo215 said:

To me it's more confusing that he says that he's straight and a top.

He also list all these languages: English • Español • Français • Italiano • Dutch • Português • Deutsch • Ру́сский • ελληνικά • بهاس ملايو • Magyar • العَرَبِيَّة‎‎ • हिन्दी • বাংলা • 官话 • 日本語

Guy has issues.

Around 1% of the global population speaks 5 or more languages fluently.

Fewer than 0.01% of the global population speaks 10 or more languages fluently.

The probability of someone being fluent in 16 languages is approximately 0.000001% to 0.00001% (1 in 10 million to 1 in 100 million). This makes it an exceptionally rare feat, achievable by only a handful of individuals globally.

I guess it’s… possible. 👀🤭

 

[+ ApexNomad]

56 minutes ago, Shawn Monroe said:

some clients THEMSELVES may look down on paying for sex / an escort, but ironically see nothing wrong with going to a masseur and asking about extras. Even those types of interactions are talked about here. 

This raises an interesting issue about internalized biases toward transactional intimacy and how societal attitudes differ regarding it. Reversing the perspective—do you think some providers look down on their clients because they’re paying to have sex?

[Shawn Monroe]

5 minutes ago, ApexNomad said:

do you think some providers look down on their clients because they’re paying to have sex?

I can only speak for Shawn, but I don’t look down on clients. I’m going to assume my peers don’t either. 

[+ ApexNomad]

Just now, Shawn Monroe said:

I can only speak for Shawn, but I don’t look down on clients. I’m going to assume my peers don’t either. 

I can only speak for myself too, and can say I don’t either. In fact, I’m very grateful for you.

[Simon Suraci]

2 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

do you think some providers look down on their clients because they’re paying to have sex?

No, not at all. I wouldn’t be doing this work if I looked down on clients for hiring sex. Who cares? Live and let live.

Whatever services clients want to hire represent real human needs. We all have them. Healing, intimacy, exploration, social interaction, physical touch, emotional safety, acceptance, being seen/heard/understood, fun, connection…the list goes on…

There’s nothing wrong with being a human being.

[Ali Gator]

A masseur who I met this past summer (wonderful guy) advertises on both sites, but makes it clear on RentMen he only offers massage. In conversation, this came up and I asked him why he advertises there when he's not an escort. He did say because many of the clients he had found over the years was through that site - most of them didn't go on RentMasseur or MasseurFinder. As he said, "I think sometimes they're looking for something intimate but not necessarily sex - so 'massage' catches their eye and they call me." Smart marketing on his part. 

[+ ApexNomad]

32 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

No, not at all. I wouldn’t be doing this work if I looked down on clients for hiring sex. Who cares? Live and let live.

Whatever services clients want to hire represent real human needs. We all have them. Healing, intimacy, exploration, social interaction, physical touch, emotional safety, acceptance, being seen/heard/understood, fun, connection…the list goes on…

There’s nothing wrong with being a human being.

I really appreciate hearing this—it’s reassuring. I was very young when I first sought out the services of a provider. At the time, I was very naive, but I had a purpose and a reason for doing it. Now, at my age, with most providers being younger than me by a few decades, I’d be lying if I said the thought never crossed my mind: “I wonder if this man thinks I’m a loser or desperate for hiring sex.” “What’s wrong with you?” It’s a brief moment, and the thought passes, but it’s there sometimes.

Judgment and shame are powerful forces, especially for men, who are often taught to suppress vulnerability and emotional needs. These feelings can create a sense of isolation and self-doubt, as if seeking intimacy or help makes us inadequate. But the truth is, there’s nothing wrong with being human, with seeking connection or whatever it is we need. What you said really resonates—breaking free from that judgment and shame is essential for healing, emotional growth, and genuine connection.

[+ keroscenefire]

As a client, I really look for CMT or licenced or that kind of language when looking for a massage because yes a lot of "masseurs" don't really do that great of  massage and you are basically paying them $200 to jack you off.

But definitely a masseur who is on both sites is a sign that it could go farther. I had a good regular who basically did the massage first and then the sex and shockingly only charged me $200. I would have paid more but he insisted that was his rate. Still tipped him everytime and we met probably at least once a month before he moved to California.

A masseur who is actually a good masseur and a good escort is rare IMO. 

[Oakman]

19 hours ago, NJF said:

Here is an example of the profiles that is confusing to me

ElevenSixLMTTOP - Pornstar Performer, Rentboy, Gay Massage in San Francisco, CA | RentMen

RENTMEN.EU

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Pornstar Performer & Rentboy in San Francisco, CA - ElevenSixLMTTOP: 11X7 LMT ICON

why advertising on RM for therapeutic massage? And all the nude pics?

His provider name is literally telling me everything I need to know without even seeing the photos or opening the link. If I had a sore back, I wouldn’t go to this guy. If I wanted a sore back, I would go see him. There is nothing confusing about this - his branding is super effective. 

[Simon Suraci]

24 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

A masseur who is actually a good masseur and a good escort is rare IMO. 

^Indeed!

Treasure the good ones when you find them, and treat them well. You never know how long they will be available to you in your area.

[Ali Gator]

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I’d be lying if I said the thought never crossed my mind: “I wonder if this man thinks I’m a loser or desperate for hiring sex.” “What’s wrong with you?” It’s a brief moment, and the thought passes, but it’s there sometimes.

This reminds me of a friend of mine who - for years - would never go out to a restaurant and eat alone. There were plenty of times she would get home from work and not want to cook for herself, but she was afraid of 'what others' would think if she went to a restaurant she liked and 'ate by herself'.  She said to me once that she feared others around her would be judging her, 'Were they thinking - poor thing, she can't find a boyfriend ? She has no friends to go out with ? No family ? No one likes her?'  The fact was there were plenty of nights when no one was around to have dinner with, and she didn't want to stay home and cook after a long day (she was too tired). 

I finally convinced her to give it a try - who cares what the others are thinking? Have a seat at the bar, order a wine and a nice meal, and enjoy yourself - that's what they're supposed to provide you at a restaurant: good food and a nice time. They don't care why you're there. She tired it one night, went back another night the following week - and she does it regularly now, ten years later. She overcame her fear of 'what everyone was thinking' and now goes to her regular places on nights she's dining alone, sits at the bar, and has a wonderful time with 'the regulars'. 

Same with providers - they don't care why you're there. They're available to (hopefully) provide you with a great time (whether a massage is included or not), and forget about the rest of the world. They aren't there to judge - they're there to give you the time of your life; even if it's for an hour or so. They are proud of their skills, their looks, their bodies and want you to enjoy your time with them. Period.  

[soloyo215]

14 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

Around 1% of the global population speaks 5 or more languages fluently.

Fewer than 0.01% of the global population speaks 10 or more languages fluently.

The probability of someone being fluent in 16 languages is approximately 0.000001% to 0.00001% (1 in 10 million to 1 in 100 million). This makes it an exceptionally rare feat, achievable by only a handful of individuals globally.

I guess it’s… possible. 👀🤭

 

Actually, that's very easy to find out. I'll reach out to him in Hungarian/Magyar. Let's see how it goes.

[Ali Gator]

20 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

Around 1% of the global population speaks 5 or more languages fluently.

Melania Trump claims she's a polyglot, fluent in her native Slovenian, as well as fluent in French, German, Italian, and English (though the jury is still debating her 'fluency in English'), so I guess she's one of the prestigious 5%. 😀

[+ ApexNomad]

29 minutes ago, Ali Gator said:

Melania Trump claims she's a polyglot, fluent in her native Slovenian, as well as fluent in French, German, Italian, and English (though the jury is still debating her 'fluency in English'), so I guess she's one of the prestigious 5%. 😀

Five languages, but somehow, the one most needed to communicate with the public remains a mystery.