How much do masseurs & providers make a year in NYC?

[Callas]

Inspired by the “2024 numbers” topic, i did some assumptions:

 

if a guy sees 4 clients (3 massage 1 escort) / day

7 days / week

48 weeks / year

 

~$250/hr x 4 hrs x 7 days x 48 weeks (4 weeks for vacation) = $336k

/ 60% (40% tax) = $560k —— this is an ~average/junior Managing Director’s total comp at a bank?

 

I think my assumptions are reasonable, even not for the hottest / busiest guys 

 anything i overlook?

 

(not sure if this is the right place for this topic? Maybe The Lounge?)

[+ Jamie21]

Doesn’t work like that, I think you’re overestimating it. That’s a burn out rate of activity! You also need to factor in:

- flaky clients not turning up or cancelling last minute and rescheduling. One might have a day planned with 3 clients scheduled and then half hour into the day they’ve all cancelled…

- time spent handling enquiries most of which do not end up in a booking needs to be considered. It takes ages. 

- no one would work every single day: there’s days you’re unwell, have personal chores to do, socialise, work out, self care stuff. 

- cost of doing business needs to be factored in: advertising, travel, accommodation, expenses etc. 

- can’t compare it to a salaried employee. They get other benefits and more job security / reliable income. 
 

 

Edited January 1 by Jamie21

[nate_sf]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think the tax calculation is reversed in the example. If someone is grossing $336K but then paying 40% of that in taxes, $336,000 would be multiplied by 0.60 to achieve a net income of $201,600. But please enlighten me if I'm not understanding correctly.

I'd agree the assumptions are a bit optimistic, but might not be too far off for a successful, well-established provider. More likely they're taking at least one day off per week but not taking four weeks vacation, so that would even out. Also if they're well established, they're more likely to have longer appointments but fewer of them. And there are probably some overnights in there somewhere. But overall, it would still average out to something close to your assumptions.

As @Jamie21 mentions, there is a lot of overhead that would cut into the income. This would be the same for any self-employed person. In the US you also need to add in health insurance. Some guys most likely forego insurance, others perhaps are covered by their spouses who might have a salaried job.

If I had to guess, I'd say a typical guy is making half this much. Which is decent, but not exactly rolling in it when considering the cost of living in NYC.

[Kevin Slater]

Why complicate the issue by considering after tax earnings-- which would depend heavily on other income sources and the like.  If you're looking to compare to other professions, I'd simply look at net earnings before taxes: revenue less business expenses.

Kevin Slater

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

7 hours ago, Callas said:

Inspired by the “2024 numbers” topic, i did some assumptions:

if a guy sees 4 clients (3 massage 1 escort) / day

7 days / week

48 weeks / year

Not realistic assumptions.  No one is going to be good at a job if they are working 7 days a week.  And those are long days - 4 hours with clients and likely an hour between clients to clean up - change sheets on the table, shower, bio break, hydrate.  Add in time to schedule appointments and manage the finances (deposit cash, move Venmo payments to bank, pay taxes, etc.) and it is easily a 10-hour day.  (Not unusual for the self-employed in any industry.) And in those four weeks of vacation are evenly spread throughout the year, that would mean someone working 12 consecutive weeks (104 consecutive days.)  Work quality and meh reviews would add up and business would drop.  

As others have mentioned, add in appropriate business expenses to host incall appointments - licensing, sheets, massage lotion/cream, laundry, table, etc. and and the net revenue would decrease.  

[Kevin Slater]

16 minutes ago, sam.fitzpatrick said:

As others have mentioned, add in appropriate business expenses to host incall appointments - licensing, sheets, massage lotion/cream, laundry, table, etc. and and the net revenue would decrease.  

...advertising, airfare, hotels, cabs, separate cell phone & plan...

Kevin Slater

[marylander1940]

8 hours ago, Callas said:

Inspired by the “2024 numbers” topic, i did some assumptions:

 

if a guy sees 4 clients (3 massage 1 escort) / day

7 days / week

48 weeks / year

 

~$250/hr x 4 hrs x 7 days x 48 weeks (4 weeks for vacation) = $336k

/ 60% (40% tax) = $560k —— this is an ~average/junior Managing Director’s total comp at a bank?

 

I think my assumptions are reasonable, even not for the hottest / busiest guys 

 anything i overlook?

 

(not sure if this is the right place for this topic? Maybe The Lounge?)

Days with 4 clients do happen (especially n a trip while paying airfare and hotel - Airbnb)  but also weeks with 4 clients do happen. 

Don't want to deviate this thread but... most escorts don't do massage because it's cheaper and sooner or later they will be dragged into the haggling of whether the HE (happy ending) includes fucking or not.

 

 

Edited January 1 by marylander1940

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, Callas said:

7 days / week

Who works 7 days a week ?

Like @Jamie21 said...that's gonna burn you out pretty fast.

[ShortCutie7]

Here is I think a more realistic breakdown:

Price breakdown:

1-hour massage: $200 ($300 for 2 hours)

1-hour escort: $350 ($500 for 2 hours)

Overnight: $1000

Provider sees an average of 8 clients each week: 3 1-hour massage ($600), 3 1-hour escort ($1050), 1 2-hour massage ($300), 1 2-hour escort ($500)= $2450/week for 50 weeks = $122,500

Provider has one additional overnight per month, bringing total income to $134,500 per year.

Less rent, advertising, gym membership, grooming etc (which would all be significantly more than the typical person would have to spend on these things) = not a huge profit.

ETA: I calculated these rates as what I would charge if I were a hot/established provider based on the $350 median price for a 1-hour incall.

Edited January 1 by ShortCutie7
ETA

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

Here is my favorite answer to this question which is asked without fail almost every year: 

 

big-n-tall

Posted February 11, 2019

...another topic that gets brought up once or twice a year around these parts.

I don't recall any escort answering. I don't expect the trend to change. I think it's too personal a question on a public forum for at least most working guys.

If you met a particular escort, who is a forum member, he might tell you via pm here or in person. Otherwise, I don't think you'll get an answer.

Edited January 1 by Vegas_Millennial

[nate_sf]

1 hour ago, ShortCutie7 said:

Here is I think a more realistic breakdown:

Price breakdown:

1-hour massage: $200 ($300 for 2 hours)

1-hour escort: $350 ($500 for 2 hours)

Overnight: $1000

Provider sees an average of 8 clients each week: 3 1-hour massage ($600), 3 1-hour escort ($1050), 1 2-hour massage ($300), 1 2-hour escort ($500)= $2450/week for 50 weeks = $122,500

Provider has one additional overnight per month, bringing total income to $134,500 per year.

Less rent, advertising, gym membership, grooming etc (which would all be significantly more than the typical person would have to spend on these things) = not a huge profit.

This seems like a more reasonable assumption. Substitute a few less escort sessions for massages if the guy doesn’t offer massage. And I think for a lot of guys, they’d consider 8 sessions in a week to be a very good week. 

[+ ApexNomad]

10 hours ago, Callas said:

Inspired by the “2024 numbers” topic, i did some assumptions:

 

if a guy sees 4 clients (3 massage 1 escort) / day

7 days / week

48 weeks / year

 

~$250/hr x 4 hrs x 7 days x 48 weeks (4 weeks for vacation) = $336k

/ 60% (40% tax) = $560k —— this is an ~average/junior Managing Director’s total comp at a bank?

 

I think my assumptions are reasonable, even not for the hottest / busiest guys 

 anything i overlook?

 

(not sure if this is the right place for this topic? Maybe The Lounge?)

Respectfully, I find this discussion to be vulgar. Who gives a shit!! Unless you’re considering becoming a provider yourself, this kind of speculation is unnecessary. If you’re curious, you can always consult someone in the field directly offline. Otherwise, it’s really none of anyone’s business—just like no one is asking you how much you make.

As I understood Kevin Slater’s chart, it was simply a breakdown of client dynamics (new vs. regulars), not an invitation to calculate hypothetical earnings.

When it comes to money, the only part of a provider’s finances that concerns me is what he’s charging me. How he spends it or how much he makes is none of my business.

[Callas]

3 hours ago, ShortCutie7 said:

Here is I think a more realistic breakdown:

Price breakdown:

1-hour massage: $200 ($300 for 2 hours)

1-hour escort: $350 ($500 for 2 hours)

Overnight: $1000

Provider sees an average of 8 clients each week: 3 1-hour massage ($600), 3 1-hour escort ($1050), 1 2-hour massage ($300), 1 2-hour escort ($500)= $2450/week for 50 weeks = $122,500

Provider has one additional overnight per month, bringing total income to $134,500 per year.

Less rent, advertising, gym membership, grooming etc (which would all be significantly more than the typical person would have to spend on these things) = not a huge profit.

Sounds good 👍🏼 

i have never seen $1k overnight. Does this include sleeping and not 100% overnight xxx?

Edited January 1 by Callas

[Callas]

3 hours ago, nate_sf said:

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think the tax calculation is reversed in the example. If someone is grossing $336K but then paying 40% of that in taxes, $336,000 would be multiplied by 0.60 to achieve a net income of $201,600. But please enlighten me if I'm not understanding correctly.

I'd agree the assumptions are a bit optimistic, but might not be too far off for a successful, well-established provider. More likely they're taking at least one day off per week but not taking four weeks vacation, so that would even out. Also if they're well established, they're more likely to have longer appointments but fewer of them. And there are probably some overnights in there somewhere. But overall, it would still average out to something close to your assumptions.

As @Jamie21 mentions, there is a lot of overhead that would cut into the income. This would be the same for any self-employed person. In the US you also need to add in health insurance. Some guys most likely forego insurance, others perhaps are covered by their spouses who might have a salaried job.

If I had to guess, I'd say a typical guy is making half this much. Which is decent, but not exactly rolling in it when considering the cost of living in NYC.

Thanks!

about the calculation, i meant it (/60%) — especially those asking for cash only.

but since you said it, x60% probably is the case.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

11 hours ago, Callas said:

(not sure if this is the right place for this topic? Maybe The Lounge?)

Best place to ask is the IRS

[ShortCutie7]

27 minutes ago, Callas said:

Sounds good 👍🏼 

i have never seen $1k overnight. Does this imply sleeping and not overnight xxx?

I don’t know what a typical overnight cost is; I calculated it as what I would charge based on the $350 median price for a 1-hour incall.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

30 minutes ago, Callas said:

Thanks!

about the calculation, i meant it (/60%) — especially those asking for cash only.

but since you said it, x60% probably is the case.

Nope, massuers need to pay income tax, Medicare tax, and social security tax, too.  See the stories on here of escorts being jailed and fined for failure to report income tax.  Several providers on here have already confirmed they report their earnings and pay their taxes

 

@Callas, special attention to escort sentenced to 21 months in jail for failure to report his income:

https://www.companyofmen.org/topic/125257-jail-sentence-for-under-reporting-income/

Edited January 1 by Vegas_Millennial

[Callas]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Who works 7 days a week ?

Like @Jamie21 said...that's gonna burn you out pretty fast.

Lol cuz i saw some guys advertising Mon-Sun 👀

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

3 minutes ago, Callas said:

Lol cuz i saw some guys advertising Mon-Sun 👀

Churches are also open 7 days per week.  But don't expect 3 services every day

[pubic_assistance]

12 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

massuers need to pay income tax, Medicare tax, and social security tax, too

Yes.

Need to.

Doesn't mean they do.

Most people in industries where income is cash heavy, they report a nominal amount to establish legitimacy were they to be audited by the IRS. When factoring income I would calculate tax on 50% of their income, not all of it.

 

[+ Jamie21]

4 minutes ago, Callas said:

Lol cuz i saw some guys advertising Mon-Sun 👀

Yep, I’m available Mon -Sun but I don’t work them all!  You advertise as available and then choose whether or not to take clients. It usually works out that some days there’s no one booked.

What you have to do is be very flexible with your plans. Example: Currently I have 1 client tomorrow, that could well change between now and tomorrow morning. If I get no more bookings then I have plans for the time outside of when I’m with the client (gym, other work) but if I get booking(s) then I’ll take them. Similarly for Friday; 1 client booked at moment. That could change and I have contingencies in place if I get busy or if I have no clients.

You just need to get used to being flexible with time. 

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, ShortCutie7 said:

Here is I think a more realistic breakdown:

Price breakdown:

1-hour massage: $200 ($300 for 2 hours)

1-hour escort: $350 ($500 for 2 hours)

Overnight: $1000

Provider sees an average of 8 clients each week: 3 1-hour massage ($600), 3 1-hour escort ($1050), 1 2-hour massage ($300), 1 2-hour escort ($500)= $2450/week for 50 weeks = $122,500

Provider has one additional overnight per month, bringing total income to $134,500 per year.

Less rent, advertising, gym membership, grooming etc (which would all be significantly more than the typical person would have to spend on these things) = not a huge profit.

ETA: I calculated these rates as what I would charge if I were a hot/established provider based on the $350 median price for a 1-hour incall.

 that's a low price for an overnight...

[Simon Suraci]

1 minute ago, marylander1940 said:

 that's a low price for an overnight...

Especially in NYC, specifically.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

1 hour ago, Callas said:

Sounds good 👍🏼 

i have never seen $1k overnight. Does this imply sleeping and not overnight xxx?

It depends.  It could be an all-nighter with an accountant or tax professional trying to accurately deduct business related expenses for masseurs.

[Callas]

2 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Here is my favorite answer to this question which is asked without fail almost every year: 

 

big-n-tall

Posted February 11, 2019

...another topic that gets brought up once or twice a year around these parts.

I don't recall any escort answering. I don't expect the trend to change. I think it's too personal a question on a public forum for at least most working guys.

If you met a particular escort, who is a forum member, he might tell you via pm here or in person. Otherwise, I don't think you'll get an answer.

Just an interesting topic, no need to take it too serious 😉

i just ask for assumptions 

Edited January 1 by Callas