London pricing

[MscleLovr]

19 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

and it's legal!

 

18 hours ago, HotelFun said:

News to me. How legal? Totally or subject to certain limitations / restrictions? 

Simple question but, alas, the answer in the UK is more complicated.
 

In England, Scotland and Wales the exchange of money for sexual services is not illegal (I think Northern Ireland is different). Some related activities are illegal. For instance, soliciting another man in public, kerb-crawling in a vehicle, keeping a brothel are illegal activities but the Police tend to ignore activities in private. The Police do act where they suspect people-trafficking.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

London is one of the most expensive cities in the world.

I wouldn't expect their rates to be on the lower side.

[pubic_assistance]

4 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

London is one of the most expensive cities in the world.

I wouldn't expect their rates to be on the lower side.

True. London is expensive. But only central London. You can literally walk to counsel housing flats from every point in the city.  I've always found the prices for providers in London to be very reasonable. And the company is usually very respectful too. I usually end up buying dinner and chatting with them after sex.  I've met some very bright young men in London who escort on the side.

[+ keroscenefire]

15 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

True. London is expensive. But only central London. You can literally walk to counsel housing flats from every point in the city.  I've always found the prices for providers in London to be very reasonable. And the company is usually very respectful too. I usually end up buying dinner and chatting with them after sex.  I've met some very bright young men in London who escort on the side.

Definitely agree! My one experience with an escort in London was so wondeful and positive. We ended up spending a whole afternoon and evening together for just the one-hour session price. I of course paid for dinner but we even went and got gelato and he insisted he paid for it. Very friendly guy...we had some great conversations.

[pubic_assistance]

6 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

We ended up spending a whole afternoon and evening together

I've had similar experiences.

Hired one fellow for a massage. Ended up fucking him way past the scheduled hour. Invited him to dinner. Returned to my room for another hour of fun. Hung out till midnight chatting and met him the following day at the Tate Modern to see an exhibit we both had an interest in seeing. Then back to my hotel for more sex and then a nice lunch.

A very bright intelligent and handsome young man. Who was a university student doing escort/massage to make extra cash. He's working now and no longer escorting but I still see him when I'm alone in London for dinner and a hot fuck.

Edited December 28, 2024 by pubic_assistance
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[+ keroscenefire]

1 minute ago, pubic_assistance said:

I've had similar experiences.

Hired one fellow for a massage. Ended up fucking him way past the scheduled hour. Invited him to dinner. Returned to my room for another hour of fun. Hung out till midnight chatting and met him the following day at the Tate Modern to see an exhibit we both had an interest in seeing. Then back to my hotel for more sex and then a nice lunch.

A very bright intelligent and handsome young man. Who was a university student doing escort/massage to make extra cash. He's working now and no longer escorting but I still see him when I'm alone in London for dinner and a hot fuck.

In general, European escorts are much more generous with their time.  Similar thing happened with an escort in Paris. I think part of it is that the cost of living is lower. The Parisian lived in a subsidized apartment that was only 900 euros a month, which was easily covered by his "day job" as a fashion photography assistant. So the escorting was just a way to make a bit of extra money for travel and meet new people. He actually took me to a gallery where he had a few of his photographs in exhibition. I still follow his Intagram. He does some really cool art. 

[Vin Marco]

45 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

In general, European escorts are much more generous with their time.

And on the flip side, people in London ( clients ) seem to be really good at keeping their commitments or at least that's been my experience. Not much of a cancel culture as it applies to the skin trade 💪🏽🙌🏽🙏🏽

Edited December 28, 2024 by Vin Marco

[+ keroscenefire]

9 minutes ago, Vin Marco said:

And on the flip side, people in London ( clients ) seem to be really good at keeping their commitments or at least that's been my experience. Not much of a cancel culture as it applies to the skin trade 💪🏽🙌🏽🙏🏽

Yeah the London guy was one of the few times I did a deposit. I wanted a longer session and he agreed but because I was a new client and an American he wanted 50 pounds to reserve the spot. I actually ended up having flight problems  and couldn't make the initial time but fortunately he was a nice chap and agreed to use the deposit to reserve another time two days later and it worked out really well. 

[HotelFun]

Ok, thanks for all the responses. The summary seems to be London experiences overall are superior and pleasant relative to other cities. Glad some of you boys have had museum and dinner experiences etc with your hires, but the question remains - is there outright and explicit collusion or coordination in pricing in this city? Just don’t buy the pricing is visible so everyone lands on the same rate argument - that’s just not the case, pricing is largely not visible until you actually chat directly to providers. Collusion, coordination, syndicate at play???

Edited December 28, 2024 by HotelFun

[HotelFun]

3 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

London is one of the most expensive cities in the world.

I wouldn't expect their rates to be on the lower side.

No one’s suggesting rates are high or low in this city. The question is why / how are the rates so similar and basically identical

[SirBillybob]

It’s not like this is the first time an answer is elusive, not realistically forthcoming, when the question is rate-orical. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

29 minutes ago, HotelFun said:

No one’s suggesting rates are high or low in this city. The question is why / how are the rates so similar and basically identical

Correlation is not causation.

I'd say it's just the guys you're looking at sharing coincidental rate structure.

[+ Jamie21]

There’s no collusion or cartel here. If you’re going for a certain type of Brazilian in London, in a certain area, then it’s likely they all know each other either directly or once removed. Word gets around at what each other charges. They’ll all end up similar. Maybe that’s what you’re noticing. There isn’t a cartel or any conspiracy to fleece Americans. 

[Whippoorwill]

Jamie and others are correct. There isn't a cartel or conspiracy, there is capitalism. In capitalism, everything has a market clearing price, including cock. It's remarkably efficient. 

[Simon Suraci]

Sounds like a functioning and relatively efficient market to me. Price discovery is a low friction process. Fewer legal barriers make it all possible. 

As for the many hours or days worth of services for the price of one hour … maybe this is a cultural difference, but if I operated this way in the US, I would go broke in no time! It’s not personal, just an economic reality. No judgment to the clients or providers who had a great times together in the UK. Sounds like everyone involved was getting what they wanted and needed without exploitation. Good for you.

To all clients hiring in the US, please do not apply UK or European cultural norms or expectations to us. Many of us make a full time living doing this work. We’re not all students paying off our debt for only a year or two, or living in subsidized housing, or casually seeing who we can meet for thrills. 

We have bills to pay, we’ve got mouths to feed. Ain’t nothing in this world for free!

[nate_sf]

6 hours ago, HotelFun said:

Ok, thanks for all the responses. The summary seems to be London experiences overall are superior and pleasant relative to other cities. Glad some of you boys have had museum and dinner experiences etc with your hires, but the question remains - is there outright and explicit collusion or coordination in pricing in this city? Just don’t buy the pricing is visible so everyone lands on the same rate argument - that’s just not the case, pricing is largely not visible until you actually chat directly to providers. Collusion, coordination, syndicate at play???

You're right, I just checked the listings and a lot (most actually) are not listing rates. Seemed like more were showing rates when I was there last summer, but I could be imagining that. In any case, those that are showing rates tend to be clustering in the £250 - £300 range. Is that the range you're being quoted?

As others have mentioned, some of these guys from overseas may know each other, so have agreed on a rate (call that collusion if you will). Or they may have someone managing their accounts. That type of management would not be unique to London though, particularly for guys who may have limited English.

[+ DrownedBoy]

18 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

 Price discovery is a low friction process. Fewer legal barriers make it all possible. 

Strongly agree. Any capitalist economy needs proper "price signals" to work. In the U.S., it's hard to get price signals in this market, hence the wide range of prices, not all of which are at the proper equilibrium.

Personally I wish whenever an escort gets reviewed in this forum, his hourly rate is included. It would be a start.

[marylander1940]

On 12/28/2024 at 1:36 PM, Vin Marco said:

And on the flip side, people in London ( clients ) seem to be really good at keeping their commitments or at least that's been my experience. Not much of a cancel culture as it applies to the skin trade 💪🏽🙌🏽🙏🏽

I guess everything is better the other side of the pond based on all the comments on here!

[marylander1940]

11 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

Strongly agree. Any capitalist economy needs proper "price signals" to work. In the U.S., it's hard to get price signals in this market, hence the wide range of prices, not all of which are at the proper equilibrium.

Personally I wish whenever an escort gets reviewed in this forum, his hourly rate is included. It would be a start.

Remember that many on here brag about great discounts they get because of how much fun they are in the bed and how good looking they are.. iif rates are included it may not be reliable

[pubic_assistance]

36 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

Remember that many on here brag about great discounts they get because of how much fun they are in the bed and how good looking they are.. iif rates are included it may not be reliable

I had an escort ask me to remove a PRICE PAID on my review once because I had gotten the "hot daddy discount" and he didn't want other people knowing his rate was flexible.

[Venite]

17 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I had an escort ask me to remove a PRICE PAID on my review once because I had gotten the "hot daddy discount" and he didn't want other people knowing his rate was flexible.

Was this on RM I'm assuming lol

[pubic_assistance]

23 minutes ago, Venite said:

Was this on RM I'm assuming lol

The review was here on C.o.M.

[+ DrownedBoy]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I had an escort ask me to remove a PRICE PAID on my review once because I had gotten the "hot daddy discount" and he didn't want other people knowing his rate was flexible.

I have discounts for regular hiring, but common sense told me not to mention it here...

[Occasional]

There's enough London pricing information in the public domain to get a good feel for 'the going rate'

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Scroll down to last item under "General", tick "Only if Rates Stated", back to top, then under "Search Options" choose "Distance" and then under "Postcode" enter a Central London postcode - your hotel, or eg SW1A 1AA [Buckingham Palace 😉 ], then click yellow button "Search Escorts".

The "only if rates stated" option was introduced a few years ago at my request to try to stem the trend towards fewer published rates. I think it should have been displayed more prominently.

The going rate in London for an incall is currently £200-£250 per hour.  More than that, and the provider really needs to have something to set him apart. Less than that, down to £150, need not be cause for concern, lower still at the £120 mark can be "OK" but unlikely to be mind-blowing.  I occasionally see one provider fairly local to me at £120, and it's - well, it's "OK".

The trend to incomplete profiles now extends to many profiles omitting the "Activities" and "Fetishes" sections, completion of which is presumably not compulsory so are ignored by the Entitled Generation who expect their phone to ring off the hook as soon as their incomplete profile is published.

Don't forget that tipping is not expected in London. In the UK, tipping is for poorly-paid, overworked service workers who are EMPLOYED.  The SELF-employed are not tipped - they trade on their reputation, good service gets referrals and repeat business.

 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Occasional
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[marylander1940]

16 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I had an escort ask me to remove a PRICE PAID on my review once because I had gotten the "hot daddy discount" and he didn't want other people knowing his rate was flexible.

I would believe YOU on this subject but I'm skeptical about others getting the DILF discount. 

For the record, some escorts after a first encounter offer discounts to clients they consider to be more "doable" than others because of looks mostly, but also chemistry, etc. 

Edited December 30, 2024 by marylander1940