I fucked up, help me fix it?

[mike carey]

3 minutes ago, nycman said:

Tell him to call me.

I’ll straighten his ass out.

grin

You want to make his ass straight?

[Guest]

Ok. So there’s chemistry in the bedroom. All is gunna be well. Haha 

[+ MysticMenace]

Late in the game but good thing it's all figured out. I do want to know how you thought the actual trip (destination) was. That's the last continent I have not been to, so would like to hear recommendations. 

[pubic_assistance]

Although I've never used Seeking Arrangment ..it seems to me that the premise of the site is that younger men are looking for older wealthy men to "arrange" some situation where by the younger man will offer his company in exchange for a financial arrangement of some kind. Is that correct?

If so...it seems to me that there is NO specific format and therefore no expected "hourly rate', daily rate or weekly rate. My impression (and maybe I'm wrong) is that the older gentleman proposes an arrangement and the younger fellow is free to accept, decline or negotiate.

I would say.. inviting someone on a holiday cruise is a nice offer. But they are not working during the time spent with you. So offering to cover their normal income, daily, or weekly would be the logical offer. I also am assuming these guys aren't escorts (typically) so why should you offer escort rates ? My assumption would be they have a mainstream job and are looking to supplement their income. So find out what they do for a living and try to discover what their income is. Match that number, offer a fun holiday tour and tip generously on top of that if they let you fuck them once(or twice) a day.

Edited December 27, 2024 by pubic_assistance
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[MscleLovr]

21 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

it seems to me that the premise of the site is that younger men are looking for older wealthy men

Absolutely correct @pubic_assistance

And certainly there is no ‘specific format’. It’s why I was always very specific from the outset with the nice, intelligent guys I met online. I was specific about what I enjoyed, how I liked to be pleased and the likely timing and frequency of activities. (As I’m a top, I am aware of the bottom needing privacy and time to prepare)

And unlike the OP here, I made sure we were sexually compatible on the first date; I would never take a man on an overseas trip without first being sure that we played well together.

The guys I met via Seeking were all 21+, mainly 23-29. They ranged from LA wannabes to Ivy League graduates and doctoral students. Overall, they were what I term “enthusiastic amateurs” and generally we had fun in bed at least twice-daily.

[MscleLovr]

On 12/26/2024 at 12:56 PM, Coolwave35 said:

there’s chemistry in the bedroom. All is gunna be well. Haha 

Please do report back @Coolwave35 

I’m particularly keen to hear about your activities in Buenos Aires, a city of which I have fond memories but no recent knowledge of nightlife, restaurants etc. I hope you both stay safe as the city can be difficult for foreign visitors.

[MikeBiDude]

54 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Although I've never used Seeking Arrangment ..it seems to me that the premise of the site is that younger men are looking for older wealthy men to "arrange" some situation where by the younger man will offer his company in exchange for a financial arrangement of some kind. Is that correct?

If so...it seems to me that there is NO specific format and therefore no expected "hourly rate', daily rate or weekly rate. My impression (and maybe I'm wrong) is that the older gentleman proposes an arrangement and the younger fellow is free to accept, decline or negotiate.

I would say.. inviting someone on a holiday cruise is a nice offer. But they are not working during the time spent with you. So offering to cover their normal income, daily, or weekly would be the logical offer. I also am assuming these guys aren't escorts (typically) so why should you offer escort rates ? My assumption would be they have a mainstream job and are looking to supplement their income. So find out what they do for a living and try to discover what their income is. Match that number, offer a fun holiday tour and tip generously on top of that if they let you fuck them once(or twice) a day.

You pretty much nailed it based on my experiences on seeking.

[pubic_assistance]

18 minutes ago, MscleLovr said:

And unlike the OP here, I made sure we were sexually compatible on the first date; I would never take a man on an overseas trip without first being sure that we played well together.

THAT is the part I find MOST baffling about this situation with @Coolwave35.

I simply can't imagine inviting ANYONE (no matter how attractive) to spend a week with me, without having previously met.

As I've shared previously here on C.o.M: the most attractive person I've ever had sex with was one of the most boring hook-ups I've ever had.  So the possibility of spending thousands of dollars and ending up with a bad lay would give me serious pause in following through with an arrangement of this sort.

[MikeBiDude]

6 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

THAT is the part I find MOST baffling about this situation with @Coolwave35.

I simply can't imagine inviting ANYONE (no matter how attractive) to spend a week with me, without having previously met.

As I've shared previously here on C.o.M: the most attractive person I've ever had sex with was one of the most boring hook-ups I've ever had.  So the possibility of spending thousands of dollars and ending up with a bad lay would give me serious pause in following through with an arrangement of this sort.

Agree, I’ve *never* done an overnight, let alone travel without a more casual meet (or two) before. I’m picky about who I sleep in bed with, and even more so about travel with others.

 

[pubic_assistance]

5 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said:

Agree, I’ve *never* done an overnight, let alone travel without a more casual meet (or two) before. I’m picky about who I sleep in bed with, and even more so about travel with others.

 

Personally...I don't even fuck people, now until after I've spent some time with them first. That's why I prefer to hire a provider for a massage in a first meet.

Edited December 27, 2024 by pubic_assistance
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[+ purplekow]

On 12/25/2024 at 7:53 AM, Coolwave35 said:

Can you do me a favor and just not ever respond to my posts?  You have an issue with me that I don’t care to figure out and my experience on these boards would be better if you stopped interacting with me. Thanks. 

Does this count?    There is a block on here for a reason and you probably know that.  Posting here only made your choice obvious, captain.   

Edited December 27, 2024 by purplekow

[Guest]

6 hours ago, purplekow said:

Does this count?    There is a block on here for a reason and you probably know that.  Posting here only made your choice obvious, captain.   

There actually isn’t a block feature. I can choose not to see your posts, which I have done. The problem is that well intentioned men quote your bullshit and then I see it.  My request is simple and I’d appreciate you honoring it. Leave me alone.  

[Guest]

Pubic assistance you nailed it. That has been my experience too. We’re having an amazing time in Buenos Aires. We’ve already tacked on 4 more days here to the back end of the trip, taking our total time together to 20 days. I decided for payment I’d pay his rent for the year of 2025. That “made him really wet” as he likes to say. 

 I lucked out here with him fellas.  I love the expression enthusiastic amateurs used above. Yessssss that’s what’s happening here, for both of us. We’ve agreed to cast shame and doubt and inhibitions aside and explore our perverse desires together and it’s working out really nicely. Who knew I could swallow an 8” cock. Who knew he’d lick my entire body after a sweaty summer day in the city before I could take a shower.  It’s been a hell of a ride and we’re three days in.  Last night we spent over an hour in the sex toy shop and spent $600 on things that piqued our curiosity. Today, we put them to use. I am deeeeeeeeep in lust with this boy. 

As always, I so appreciate everyone’s feedback except the one bitter queen. The rest of you have been amazing to me for years.  Thank you. 

[+ purplekow]

26 minutes ago, Coolwave35 said:

There actually isn’t a block feature. I can choose not to see your posts, which I have done. The problem is that well intentioned men quote your bullshit and then I see it.  My request is simple and I’d appreciate you honoring it. Leave me alone.  

My last post on this topic.  You, in your humble brag posting here, admitted to wanting advice. I gave you advice.  If you don't like it, don't take it.  If you only want advice you like, then say so.  You have said so in this case, so I will not interact in discussing this problem that you created.  

[+ nycman]

2 hours ago, Coolwave35 said:

Who knew I could swallow an 8” cock.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, purplekow said:

My last post on this topic.  You, in your humble brag posting here, admitted to wanting advice. I gave you advice.  If you don't like it, don't take it.  If you only want advice you like, then say so.  You have said so in this case, so I will not interact in discussing this problem that you created.  

When I make a public post, I want advice from anyone. But you. I hope that clarifies.  I’m gunna let you have the last word and take any swipes you have left to get out if that’s important to you.  Then I’m going to continue posting about my experience.  

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, nycman said:

To be fair, you’ve seen me go to second base with an Italian sausage in person so this is fair. ROFL. 

[+ PhileasFogg]

On 12/24/2024 at 6:26 PM, purplekow said:

Let's see.  He is at your beckon call 24 hours a day for 2 weeks and you think $21 an hour is fair.   So you are giving him what he will accept rather than what the service is worth.  Merry Christmas.  

That's completely not fair and misses the point.   Relevant questions:

1.  Would he otherwise make $500/day, EVERY day, if he weren't on the trip?    If so, then I suspect he wouldn't be accepting the offer at that price
2. Your calculation doesn't account for sleep and recreation time.    Adjusting for 8 hrs sleep, you're up to $31/hr.  That's second quartile on the US wage distribution - which incidentally included skilled trades which have very high average wage/hour
3. You aren't accounting was Payment in Kind - that is, the economic value of the travel, lodging, food, etc.   My experience is that is probably totals about $1,500/day (in this case, probably more) of which he benefits from 50% of that cost bringing his effective benefit up to $1,250/day.   In my experience, I've traveled with companions first class, provided first class accommodations, fine dining and bars, and great cultural entertainment depending on the location - all at a level that they would not otherwise be doing on their own.
4. Then, there's the intangible benefit of something called "fun".

So, it's not about what an individual service is "worth."   It's about "does he make and receive more than he otherwise would have gotten?"   And then, it's only up to HIM to decide if it's fair and/or if he received sufficient benefit, right?  In that way, it's a simple math problem for him.    

The world is full of people that think their time is "worth" more than the market will pay - holding out for $xx.   Many of those people are either unhappy or unemployed.

@Coolwave35I'm glad to hear that you have a resolution on $.   I hope the rest of the trip is great!

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, PhileasFogg said:

That's completely not fair and misses the point.

Thank you!  We decided that I’m paying his rent for all of 2025. He’s happy.  I’m really happy, and we’ve extended our trip to explore South America for two more weeks because we’re getting along really well.  The sex is mind blowing which keeps shocking both of us. We’re exploring a lot. It’s been hot. 

[Archangel]

5 hours ago, PhileasFogg said:

The world is full of people that think their time is "worth" more than the market will pay - holding out for $xx.   Many of those people are either unhappy or unemployed.

A lot of escorts overvalue their time because of when they aren’t working as escorts. What they fail to take into account is that many people have multiple jobs if one job isn’t cutting it for them. The real ninnies though are we who pay for the services of guys who charge to make up for their down time when they aren’t working. Don’t have a real gig for a week-and-a-half? Charge the one gig to make up for it…and don’t do anything to make income the rest of the time. Who’s *really* the schmuck? The guy who works once every 7-to-10 days or the guy who pays to compensate for that downtime, with no tangible benefit? (I’m not counting “1 hour” sessions here…I’m talking overnights that require more than animalistic sex – i.e. something begun plug and play, what might be called “work” more than “fun work”)

[+ Jamie21]

All this debate and discussion about what is a fair rate or what is the correct rate etc is otiose. The rate is determined by demand and supply. All that matters is the balance of guys providing and those buying and the knowledge of those two parties. That determines the price. Whether observers to the process consider the price to be fair or correct is immaterial and not relevant. 

[+ PhileasFogg]

7 hours ago, Archangel said:

A lot of escorts overvalue their time because of when they aren’t working as escorts. What they fail to take into account is that many people have multiple jobs if one job isn’t cutting it for them. The real ninnies though are we who pay for the services of guys who charge to make up for their down time when they aren’t working. Don’t have a real gig for a week-and-a-half? Charge the one gig to make up for it…and don’t do anything to make income the rest of the time. Who’s *really* the schmuck? The guy who works once every 7-to-10 days or the guy who pays to compensate for that downtime, with no tangible benefit? (I’m not counting “1 hour” sessions here…I’m talking overnights that require more than animalistic sex – i.e. something begun plug and play, what might be called “work” more than “fun work”)

I’m not sure what you’re saying, but building on the well articulated comment @Jamie21 just made and using your example, the guy who works every 7-10 days better be ready to put on quite a show or he might go find himself high and dry for a month before he gets his next gig.   The ninny isn’t the one with the cash, it’s the one arrogant enough to think that he can work two days a week and get ahead for a sustainable period.  

[pubic_assistance]

9 hours ago, Archangel said:

A lot of escorts overvalue their time because of when they aren’t working as escorts.

Some of you guys are confusing this situation with an escort hire.

@Coolwave35 met this fellow on Seeking Arrangments, not Rent.men.

So there should be no relating his financial expectations with those of a high paid escort.

I think agreeing to pay someone's rent is an excellent offer. It's like having a trust fund set up. I am not surprised he is fucking his brains out with Coolwave in response to such a generous offer.

🍆🍑💰💰💰🤑

[marylander1940]

On 12/25/2024 at 7:53 AM, Coolwave35 said:

Can you do me a favor and just not ever respond to my posts?  You have an issue with me that I don’t care to figure out and my experience on these boards would be better if you stopped interacting with me. Thanks. 

Unfortunately, there's no way to make your posts invisible to others so they can't quote you. Just assume you have a tail. 

Back to subject, everything is negotiable in life. How much would his 2025 rent be and will you pay it upfront or monthly as part of a gentlemen's agreement?

 

[marylander1940]

On 12/25/2024 at 7:55 AM, Coolwave35 said:

Exactly. Even when I’m with escorts I barely have sex.