Be alert around Pride or other LGBTQIA+ gatherings this year

[Danny-Darko]

15 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

Diversity is hard to digest for the intolerant.

A diversity so diverse that it can't swallow nor tolerate opinions and people that differ from their so diverse clique! Being so "inclusive" it excludes and censors all who differ from their perception of how other should reason and behave. So VERY diverse and inclusive that it's now facing a global backlash. 🙄 

[Danny-Darko]

2 hours ago, Xavitv said:

Those folks in the pictures fought for the community to feel comfortable in their own skin. At the end of the day, those other folks trying to take away our gains don’t care how you dress up. They didn’t care back then, they don’t care now. 

Once again, speaking for others in the true Alphabet Mafia style. That's why we see the "community" as it is today because they saw it like you see it. BTW, how old are you and where did you grow up that you have such and erroneous perception of the past in a country many of us on this forum lived in and in a time we lived through?!

Edited June 1, 2024 by Danny-Darko

[Danny-Darko]

44 minutes ago, APPLE1 said:

I think that is a common trend among most groups fighting for change. We start with a subtle expression that the new idea, and the people embracing it do so as "every day folks," pretty similar to their neighbors. Then, as acceptance grows even slightly, we see people who feel like calling for change shouldn't be subtle. It should bold.

There are always people who call for subtle change and those who call for radical change. Some believe it to be a natural flow. Once the subtlety has softened the idea, it then awakens more people. People who support the idea in the same or different manner, or people who now have a somewhat safer culture for the bolder to call for change.

While that sounds reasonable and may be true, this "radical change" is what's now threatening all that's been accomplished, and we are seeing a global backlash! I and other don't think it's in our colective interest especially if we lose all or most of what we gained. What we see today is not what many of us signed up for nor fought for. I've yet to see anything good come from this new level of radical change! 

Edited June 1, 2024 by Danny-Darko

[+ APPLE1]

11 minutes ago, Danny-Darko said:

While that sounds reasonable and may be true, this "radical change" is what's now threatening all that's been accomplished, and we are seeing a global backlash! I and other don't think it's in our colective interest especially if we lose all or most of what we gained. What we see today is not what many of us signed up for nor for fought for. I've yet to see anything good come from this new level of radical change! 

In the past 50 years, the world has changed in terms of the manner and speed that information is spread. It's hard to cite specific actions that cause backlash now, and then say backlash was minimal 50 years ago because the action was more civil. If Stonewall riots happened today, I assume the backlash would be much different than when they happened originally.

Are there specific actions or ideas that you see happening now that you feel shouldn't be included in the perserverence for sexual freedom?

[Danny-Darko]

Yes, everything other than LGB! Thier "battle" is not our own as much as one could possibly empathize with them up to a certain degree! I realize the racial left and its Alphabet Squad think differently. But they do try to impose their views and lifestyles on the rest of society and dictate to everybody else gay and straight how we should think and feel about a whole host of other things besides sexual "freedoms"! 

[+ APPLE1]

11 minutes ago, Danny-Darko said:

Yes, everything other than LGB! Thier "battle" is not our own as much as one could possibly empathize with them up to a certain degree! I realize the racial left and its Alphabet Squad think differently. But they do try to impose their views and lifestyles on the rest of society and dictate to everybody else gay and straight how we should think and feel about a whole host of other things besides sexual "freedoms"! 

Thank you. I am being sincere. The other letters in that alphabet certainly can bring a host of  feelings and issues other than who one is sleeping with. They can be complex issues, and I appreciate the response letting me know a little more of the specifics.

Edited June 1, 2024 by APPLE1

[Danny-Darko]

25 minutes ago, APPLE1 said:

Thank you. I am being sincere. The other letters in that alphabet certainly can bring a host of  feelings and issues other than who one is sleeping with. They can be complex issues, and I appreciate the response letting me know a little more of the specifics.

At least you have reasonable counter arguments worthy of and answer. That is why I engaged with you. Others if not most, just have mockery, name-calling, cliche slogans they've been indoctrinated to memorize, but have no logical or reasonable explanations. Just accusations of "YOU HATE" or "YOU'RE RACIST", "YOU'RE A NAZI", "YOU'RE A FASCIST" etc... etc...  

Have a good night and a better weekend! 🤝

Edited June 1, 2024 by Danny-Darko

[+ José Soplanucas]

9 hours ago, Danny-Darko said:

A diversity so diverse that it can't swallow nor tolerate opinions and people that differ from their so diverse clique! Being so "inclusive" it excludes and censors all who differ from their perception of how other should reason and behave. So VERY diverse and inclusive that it's now facing a global backlash. 🙄 

So you call out as intolerant those asking for more rights and denouncing intolerance? Another very convincing argument for the bright  and squared minded. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

On 5/30/2024 at 11:56 PM, Danny-Darko said:

They never wanted to push their sexuality on anyone

it does feel like many of these Pride “events” are hyper-sexualized & pushing an agenda vs the original intent  
I don’t think it’s productive to have sex openly in public spaces as some sort of a statement.  It becomes a spectacle and works against the community.  

rampant drug use & alcohol at these events doesn’t help either.  it’s a perfect storm for the backlash we are experiencing now

[+ FrankR]

25 minutes ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

it does feel like many of these Pride “events” are hyper-sexualized & pushing an agenda vs the original intent  
I don’t think it’s productive to have sex openly in public spaces as some sort of a statement.  It becomes a spectacle and works against the community.  

rampant drug use & alcohol at these events doesn’t help either.  it’s a perfect storm for the backlash we are experiencing now

You make it sound like Pride is (or was) supposed to be an organized church event where all the faithful would show up in their sunday best for a nice parade with candy apples and  singing of hymns. Pride is exactly not that. It has always been a thumb in the eye of prudes and bigots. We are here. We are queer. If you don’t like it, get the f_ck out of here. 
 

I agree that it may go too far at times. Sure, it will rub some people the wrong way. But we are doing that already by simply existing. The message should be one welcoming of diversity and inclusion. 
 

Does it annoy me when retailers take advantage by selling Pride merch. Sure, but I also enjoy it when the prudes and bigots freak out about it. 
 

We should be aware that there are some that truly mean us harm. So take care of yourself and those around you. In the iconic words of Sister Sledge: We are family.  (Even when we disagree).

Edited June 1, 2024 by FrankR

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

14 hours ago, APPLE1 said:

Are there specific actions or ideas that you see happening now that you feel shouldn't be included in the perserverence for sexual freedom?

Yes!  Women being required to be admitted into gay nude resorts, gay bar bathrooms, and gay bathhouses I feel should not be included at the expense of sexual freedom for gay and bisexual men.

[+ José Soplanucas]

17 hours ago, Danny-Darko said:

A diversity so diverse that it can't swallow nor tolerate opinions and people that differ from their so diverse clique! Being so "inclusive" it excludes and censors all who differ from their perception of how other should reason and behave. So VERY diverse and inclusive that it's now facing a global backlash. 🙄 

Censored? Actually, intolerant voices are loud and clear, and broadcasted in plenty of multi media channels, and are even ruling in many states where people all of kinds are losing rights. Even you and your friends are talking about the current backlash. 

The fact is that you and your friends are the ones who advocate for suppressing some people's visibility. Some are brave enough to own their intolerance. Some show their cowardice hiding behind "Middle America". No one is advocating for suppressing any of your rights. You are the ones with such an agenda.

And once again. Please, keep talking (writing). I do not want to silence you or your friends. Au contraire. You guys, are much more transparent than you comprehend. 

[Danny-Darko]

38 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

Censored? Actually, intolerant voices are loud and clear, and broadcasted in plenty of multi media channels, and are even ruling in many states where people all of kinds are losing rights. Even you and your friends are talking about the current backlash. 

The fact is that you and your friends are the ones who advocate for suppressing some people's visibility. Some are brave enough to own their intolerance. Some show their cowardice hiding behind "Middle America". No one is advocating for suppressing any of your rights. You are the ones with such an agenda.

And once again. Please, keep talking (writing). I do not want to silence you or your friends. Au contraire. You guys, are much more transparent than you comprehend. 

"You people" will say anything just to keep an argument going by purposely nitpicking at things to take them out of context, deliberately missing a point. Just like KensingtonHomo in the last thread. You have no sound counterargument, so you resort to babbling attempting in vain to ridicule the poster with hopes to appear as the "winner", silencing the opponent. No matter what name you post under, we all have seen through you for years now and your little WOKE clique. Never anything of value to contribute, just your asinine opinions. 🙄  I've said my piece, I have nothing more to add. So keep up your senseless narcissistic rant if you must! 

[Danny-Darko]

4 minutes ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

when public facilities (bars, restaurants, hotels, theatres, etc) can pick & choose who they let in - based on a specific class of people, then the door is open to widespread discrimination. women, or any other specific class should not be excluded from any venue open to the general public.  
 
venues that operate as private clubs requiring memberships seem to be the work-around at bath-houses & sex-clubs. Private membership clubs aren’t attractive for many business owners since it will impact the overall business - lots of people just don’t want to go through any sort of membership process.

i don’t doubt there are women using gay bar bathrooms.  I’d be surprised if they’re poolside at a nude gay men’s resort or in a bathhouse. 

I get your point, and maybe you haven't seen it, but I've been seeing this all over for a long time now. Some women do go to men's clubs and spaces with gay male sexual themes! And honestly as a gay man it really puts a damper on the mood and vibes! Yet women can have their own "Women Only" places and spaces and not be obliged to open the doors to men of any kind gay, bi or straight. Even us men are not allowed to go in unless chaperoned by a woman to Chippendales type shows that cater "For Women Only"! Yet straight or any other kind of woman can and must be let into a Gay Male Strip Clubs! Funny how those things always seem to work one-sided! And about the private membership places, most all offer some sort of "Day Pass" for the onetime visitor or out of town guest. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, Danny-Darko said:

"You people" will say anything just to keep an argument going by purposely nitpicking at things to take them out of context, deliberately missing a point. Just like KensingtonHomo in the last thread. You have no sound counterargument, so you resort to babbling attempting in vain to ridicule the poster with hopes to appear as the "winner", silencing the opponent. No matter what name you post under, we all have seen through you for years now and your little WOKE clique. Never anything of value to contribute, just your asinine opinions. 🙄  I've said my piece, I have nothing more to add. So keep up your senseless narcissistic rant if you must! 

What is your argument, besides whining? The fact remains that the people you are trying invisibilized is not going for anyone else's rights, they only demand their owns. They are not trying to censor you, you are going for them.

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

I don’t think it’s productive to have sex openly in public spaces as some sort of a statement.  It becomes a spectacle and works against the community.  

Exactly.

I live in Greenwich Village and have had to shoo people away from my front patio because they were having sex right there in front of my home. I remember one year we had gone out of town to avoid the chaos and I came home to find two men fucking right there on my front steps ! I had my two 10 year old children with me. Thankfully I spotted them before the kids did and told my wife to hang-back with them for a second while I dealt with the situation.

Both my wife and I who are both part of the LGBT community call the parade "the Gay Embarrassment Parade". Nothing to be proud of anymore. Its a freak show.

Edited June 1, 2024 by pubic_assistance
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[+ José Soplanucas]

Everyone should watch John Waters' interview @Real Time with Bill Maher. It is quite relevant. I love one of Waters' lines: gay is a good start, but it is not enough.

 

[soloyo215]

On 5/17/2024 at 5:23 AM, Just Chuck said:

See the FBI and DHS Warning here.

SUMMARY

The FBI and DHS are issuing this Public Service Announcement to provide awareness to the public of foreign terrorist organizations (FTOS) or their supporters potential targeting of LGBTQIA+-related events and venues. Foreign terrorist organizations or supporters may seek to exploit increased gatherings associated with the upcoming June 2024 Pride Month.

I'm not going to avoid doing anything that I want to do.  But, I'm going to keep my eyes open.

Foreign Terrorist Organizations? Well, I'm glad for the warning, but let's not forget that in the USA we now have this history of Americans opening fire in public, shooting strangers. It's a little bit of a presumptuous assumption to issue a warning only around foreign threats.

Gay Pride in my town got disbanded and since then there have been attempts at re-defining and redesigning it, and the result has been having a bunch of kids walking around like an unattended kindergarten. So I have no interest in attending "Pride", the new version of what used to be "Gay Pride", as it's not compelling at all.

The larger picture, IMO, is that historically Gay Pride has always come with a high risk of attacks. It's 2024 now and we are not supposed to expect it, but risk has always come with marching, at least that's how it was back then. The commercialized, Disney-fied version of the march that we have today might not make the connection with the risk that involves marching to celebrate us, but those who remember history do know well that risk and threats have always been present. Or have people already forgotten how the whole thing came about in the first place?

Edited June 1, 2024 by soloyo215

[SouthOfTheBorder]

interesting thread with different views -

some advocating “live & let live” aka sex in public at Pride type events and those who don’t want women in traditional gay spaces for sexual freedom 

which is it - you want everyone to see in public or you want privacy in certain spaces open only to a select few ?  

being gay means equal treatment- not special treatment with everything exactly how you want it to be in every space according to your exact desires & wishes 

Edited June 2, 2024 by SouthOfTheBorder

[KeepItReal]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Exactly.

I live in Greenwich Village and have had to shoo people away from my front patio because they were having sex right there in front of my home. I remember one year we had gone out of town to avoid the chaos and I came home to find two men fucking right there on my front steps ! I had my two 10 year old children with me. Thankfully I spotted them before the kids did and told my wife to hang-back with them for a second while I dealt with the situation.

Both my wife and I who are both part of the LGBT community call the parade "the Gay Embarrassment Parade". Nothing to be proud of anymore. Its a freak show.

I've apologizes 3 times already! Will you please stop throwing it in my face? It was Pride. We were drinking a lot of gin and tonics and a severe case of the hornies came over us. We used condoms and didnt make a mess. I promise - it won't happen again! 

[Danny-Darko]

10 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

What is your argument, besides whining? The fact remains that the people you are trying invisibilized is not going for anyone else's rights, they only demand their owns. They are not trying to censor you, you are going for them.

Thank you for just proving my point made about you! 😂 You exposed your own ignorance. I rest my case, thanks! 

[+ APPLE1]

16 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Yes!  Women being required to be admitted into gay nude resorts, gay bar bathrooms, and gay bathhouses I feel should not be included at the expense of sexual freedom for gay and bisexual men.

I've struggled with that. And I will be very frank, it was never an internal DURING an "event." At that point, I was either in hog heaven surrounded by only men, OR scouling quietly and deciding how and when to leave after I saw they women.

Ultimately, I've taken the same stance as  the civil rights act of '91, with perhaps a little more allowance when it includes accurate self reporting.

The Act allows for exceptions when there's a Bona Fide Occupational  Qualification (your business requires it for success). It's the reason Playboy couldn't have been forced to have naked male models, or older obese women, on it's pages. It was a magazine self proclaiming to target men who wanted to see attractive, naked, young women. And I find the declaration significant. If Playboy had marketed itself as a magazine for adults who wanted to see nude models, it would be a different story.

Because live venues take on a dynamic that's dependent on direct attendance of a specific sub population, they should have a good share of liberty in deciding who enters their venue in order to keep their target group returning and spending money.

While it may not always be ideal or without some limitation, choosing what to sell and how to sell it, is a pretty significant cornerstone of the free market economy. If there's a market for change that can be successful, someone will fill it - - - hence, Playgirl.

PRIDE events are often free market capitalism as well. If a significant portion of attendees were turned off by men in feather pink boas, or guys sucking dick in the corner, people would stop coming, and organizers would make changes to satisfy their target population and keep attendance up.

While I am by no means an ultra conservative prude who thinks that a child seeing a sex act will scar them for life, there are people who feel differently. To that end, I also feel events like age rating PRIDE, either as a whole, or individual happenings at the event, would be great!

If the local festival advertised that: "Sunday's street carnival is family friendly and a great place for kids. Saturdays street fair - - - not so much," it would be terrific! Parents would know they could go on Sunday and have a great time. And I would know, I could sleep in on Sunday, and there was no reason to leave the house.

Edited June 2, 2024 by APPLE1

[BSR]

I have to wonder just how serious this FBI+DHS warning is.  Do they think there's an uncomfortably high chance of a terrorist attack?  Or is the likelihood low but not zero, and the warning is more of a cover-their-ass move?

[mike carey]

Moderator's Note

A reminder, gentlemen, that religion falls into the same prohibited category as politics in the forum. The initial discussion about which groups (including those with a religious motivation) might have prompted the government warnings was okay. We've done that now. Speculating about a specific religious motive for potential attacks is outside what we permit, as is broadening this into a general discussion of the attitudes of entire faith groups towards LGBT+ people, as if they were universally held and causative of attacks.

Several posts have been removed. Please stay on topic, and within forum guidelines.

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, mike carey said:

religion falls into the same prohibited category as politics in the forum.

My bad.

I was unaware that religion was banned along with political discussions.

Thanks for explaining.