+ keroscenefire Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Why Is Sean Combs the Subject of a Homeland Security Investigation? - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The department has a division that often directs inquiries into sex trafficking allegations, like those cited in recent lawsuits against Mr. Combs. The recent arrest of Sean Combs is really something. He's been accussed of violating US anti-sex trafficking laws. He is accussed of hiring and paying for travel of male escorts to have sex with both male and female associates. And coercing those associates into engaging in sex with the prostitutes. It's a bit of a lesson to any of us who hire escorts and especially if we pay for travel across state lines. The federal laws around human trafficking are somewhat ambigous and state laws often even more so. The laws say you need to engage in "force, fraud or coercion” to get someone to engage in a sex act with some courts simply interpreting that to mean "anything of value." Not saying that P.Diddy doesn't deserve to be prosecuted. There's lots of details about using drugs and alcohol as a means of coercion so that would definitely be pretty bad. Most of us are not nearly as high-profile as Sean Combs and probably we shouldn't be too paranoid but with some of these new anti-trafficking laws, it might be a good idea to be a bit careful. pubic_assistance and + augustus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ DrownedBoy Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Don't jump to conclusions. There are a lot of people who would sue and lie since he's got money. The fact that the one lawsuit was filed right before the deadline says enough. I just hope that, in one of these cases, the judges strike down these stupid laws and definitions. Under the current idiocracy, every single client could be called a "sex-trafficker," and every transaction "survival sex." pubic_assistance, + augustus, Ali Gator and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ KensingtonHomo Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 I don’t think Combs is comparable to anyone on here. He’s been in trouble with the law both - legally and civilly - for over 25 years. The current claims against him are part of a longstanding pattern, and I’m sure are at least partly true. DOH doesn’t care what anyone on here does. + BOZO T CLOWN and MikeBiDude 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 3 hours ago, keroscenefire said: It's a bit of a lesson to any of us who hire escorts and especially if we pay for travel across state lines. Absolutely. I have made this point many times. For now the law is used to "take down" important people (Governor of New York). But in the era of meta-data being stored for that moment you become inconvenient, it's wise to avoid the risk of having broken a Federal Law. + Pensant, + augustus, marylander1940 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ APPLE1 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 8 hours ago, DrownedBoy said: There are a lot of people who would sue and lie since he's got money. The fact that the one lawsuit was filed right before the deadline says enough I will certainly not challenge people's greed referenced in the first sentence. However, WHEN a lawsuit is filed, can often be part of a larger legal strategy, so it's likely an attorney chose the when. Unfortunately, we will probably never find out if the plaintiff hired an attorney 6 days ago, or 6 months ago. Edited March 31 by APPLE1 Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 12 hours ago, DrownedBoy said: Don't jump to conclusions. There are a lot of people who would sue and lie since he's got money. The fact that the one lawsuit was filed right before the deadline says enough. I just hope that, in one of these cases, the judges strike down these stupid laws and definitions. Under the current idiocracy, every single client could be called a "sex-trafficker," and every transaction "survival sex." Agreed, innocent till proven guilty BUT there's a pattern, he's no Bill Cosby but SO many stories about his private behavior makes me think there's something right about the allegations. 11 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: Absolutely. I have made this point many times. For now the law is used to "take down" important people (Governor of New York). But in the era of meta-data being stored for that moment you become inconvenient, it's wise to avoid the risk of having broken a Federal Law. Agreed! None of us should run for SCJ, sooner or later this forum, our hires, etc. will come up. Edited March 31 by marylander1940 + augustus, + keroscenefire and pubic_assistance 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 The sky is not falling chicken little thomas, big-n-tall, MikeBiDude and 6 others 1 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike carey Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, BenjaminNicholas said: The sky is not falling chicken little Gosh, someone needs to tell our resident doomsayers! MikeBiDude, pubic_assistance, Luv2play and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, mike carey said: Gosh, someone needs to tell our resident doomsayers! It's funny how negative people get when they get old. mike carey, + KensingtonHomo, Luv2play and 4 others 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ keroscenefire Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said: The sky is not falling chicken little I agree. I don't think most of us have anything to worry about. Obviously they are going after some high profile people with potentially repeated violations. But laws change and so do the people enforcing those laws. Good to be aware of them even if for the most part, they are not going to be enforced against hobbyists like ourselves. MikeBiDude and + Pensant 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ DrownedBoy Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 7 hours ago, marylander1940 said: None of us should run for SCJ, sooner or later this forum, our hires, etc. will come up. That didn't stop a certain other politician from winning an even higher office. marylander1940, Luv2play, Marc in Calif and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 19 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: Absolutely. I have made this point many times. For now the law is used to "take down" important people (Governor of New York). But in the era of meta-data being stored for that moment you become inconvenient, it's wise to avoid the risk of having broken a Federal Law. Paying cash only is a way to avoid inconveniences in the future. 20 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said: I don’t think Combs is comparable to anyone on here. He’s been in trouble with the law both - legally and civilly - for over 25 years. The current claims against him are part of a longstanding pattern, and I’m sure are at least partly true. DOH doesn’t care what anyone on here does. he also has money, lawyers, fame, ways to intimidate victims, etc. I'm not surprised some women kept up with the abuse hoping for a shot at stardom at the end of the nightmare. 40 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said: That didn't stop a certain other politician from winning an even higher office. Some people in life are never held accountable! He's a typical case (so far)! pubic_assistance and thomas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 4 hours ago, keroscenefire said: I agree. I don't think most of us have anything to worry about. Obviously they are going after some high profile people with potentially repeated violations. But laws change and so do the people enforcing those laws. Good to be aware of them even if for the most part, they are not going to be enforced against hobbyists like ourselves. Some on here brag about being high profile people, etc. Several posters are constantly self-promoting and depicting an idyllic image of their lives, money, fame, hookups, libido, looks, etc. In case you haven't noticed! I do agree with you on your statement! I almost started a thread on the subject but focused on his alleged crimes and the victims asking folks not to slut-shame them with phrases like "they had it coming", etc. I'm surprised about phrases like that being used on here to mock women who accused men of rape, but I understand in an online forum there's a lot of schadenfreude, chauvinism, machismo, etc. The twist you gave to this thread is about some hires who may come back in life to hurt clients like us. Maybe that's why some say they constantly change their burner number, etc. Marc in Calif and pubic_assistance 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BOZO T CLOWN Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 22 hours ago, keroscenefire said: Why Is Sean Combs the Subject of a Homeland Security Investigation? - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The department has a division that often directs inquiries into sex trafficking allegations, like those cited in recent lawsuits against Mr. Combs. The recent arrest of Sean Combs is really something.... Sean Combs was arrested? Really? Bozo read that his multiple homes (mansions) were raided and property was seized. Didn't know he was arrested. When was that? BTC MikeBiDude, + augustus, pubic_assistance and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ augustus Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 58 minutes ago, BOZO T CLOWN said: Sean Combs was arrested? Really? Correct. Not arrested...yet. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ augustus Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 23 hours ago, keroscenefire said: Most of us are not nearly as high-profile as Sean Combs and probably we shouldn't be too paranoid but with some of these new anti-trafficking laws, it might be a good idea to be a bit careful. I agree. Scores of escorts and their clients were interviewed and had to make written statements in the Rentboy prosecution. pubic_assistance, + Pensant, BSR and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ augustus Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 8 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said: The sky is not falling chicken little So said R Kelly for years. Luv2play and + DrownedBoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSR Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 26 minutes ago, augustus said: I agree. Scores of escorts and their clients were interviewed and had to make written statements in the Rentboy prosecution. Given that paying for sex is still technically a crime, even if it's not prosecuted 99.9% of the time, I think it's always a good idea to be a bit careful because ending up as one of those 0.1% cases is a real pain in the a**. I can recall at least 3 providers in this forum who have been arrested, although I can't think of any clients. That said, what's happening to PDiddy has nothing to do with us Average Joe's. That's another world. + augustus, Vulgarii, pubic_assistance and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hungry4darkmeat Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 He’s going to fall hard - it’s been well known for years and the karma is going to catch up to him one way or another. Sad for all the artists who are going to suffer because he gets cancelled, especially since many of them suffered the same treatment. marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hungry4darkmeat Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 He’s going to fall hard - it’s been well known for years and the karma is going to catch up to him one way or another. Sad for all the artists who are going to suffer because he gets cancelled, especially since many of them suffered the same treatment. Too many people took too much shit from and for him and like Robert kelly before him he was obviously abused in his childhood and when he got into a position of power he did the same to the people over whom he had power. marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ APPLE1 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 3 hours ago, augustus said: Scores of escorts and their clients were interviewed and had to make written statements in the Rentboy prosecution. "Had to?" Certainly some may have "chose to" as a quid pro quo with a prosecutor, but even the dimmest of witnesses can generally be trained to repeat 3 simple words: "I don't recall. " + DrownedBoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ augustus Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 18 minutes ago, APPLE1 said: "Had to?" Certainly some may have "chose to" as a quid pro quo with a prosecutor, but even the dimmest of witnesses can generally be trained to repeat 3 simple words: "I don't recall. " "I don't recall" doesn't work when the Feds have computer and phone records, which they did. + DrownedBoy and marylander1940 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ augustus Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 What in God's name did J Lo see in Piddy? Oh yeah fame and money. At 54 she still can’t act or sing. Ali Gator, thomas and marylander1940 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ APPLE1 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 15 minutes ago, augustus said: "I don't recall" doesn't work when the Feds have computer and phone records, which they did. Yes it does. You may not be able to dispute evidence based on "I don't recall," but the phrase can prevent you from affirming inculpatory evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ augustus Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) 5 minutes ago, APPLE1 said: Yes it does. You may not be able to dispute evidence based on "I don't recall," but the phrase can prevent you from affirming inculpatory evidence. It's pretty hard not to affirm or deny your own computer and phone records. And I wouldn't use the "I don't recall" line either. Plenty of people are prosecuted for lying to federal agents. Best to say nothing. Edited April 1 by augustus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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