No PreP status?

[aiseeya]

Other than the obvious, wondering if any alternative reasons as to why provider would not publish his PreP status?

[CuriousByNature]

Not sure what the obvious would be, but regardless, what's written in an advertisement cannot be guaranteed to be 100% truthful.  Ultimately a client needs to protect themselves according to the level of risk they are willing to assume, and not based on what a stranger says about their health status or medications. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

41 minutes ago, blck37 said:

Other than the obvious, wondering if any alternative reasons as to why provider would not publish his PreP status?

I don't publish my PreP status, vaccination status, education status, or marital status on any of my dating websites.  I don't care if a provider lists his either.  I don't want the computer application to have more data about me.  I would rather have a conversation in person to discuss any of these issues with a potential partner.

 

[ICTJOCK]

I think the amount disclosed in an ad is totally up to the individual.   I don't intend to pass any judgement,   I can totally get the concerns about too much online information.                     

 

I tend to give too much information I suppose.   To each his own.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by ICTJOCK

[NJF]

I knew for sure that a provider listed as positive undetectable now left the health status section blank 

[+ DrownedBoy]

As always, assume the other guy is poz. You control your own prep status and nobody else's. 

[marylander1940]

56 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I don't publish my PreP status, vaccination status, education status, or marital status on any of my dating websites.  I don't care if a provider lists his either.  I don't want the computer application to have more data about me.  I would rather have a conversation in person to discuss any of these issues with a potential partner.

 

Do you have that conversation by text or just in person? 

7 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

As always, assume the other guy is poz. You control your own prep status and nobody else's. 

Smart, specially considering that now having BB sex is no longer playing Russian roulette as long as we remember taking a pill a day. 

1 hour ago, CuriousByNature said:

Not sure what the obvious would be, but regardless, what's written in an advertisement cannot be guaranteed to be 100% truthful.  Ultimately a client needs to protect themselves according to the level of risk they are willing to assume, and not based on what a stranger says about their health status or medications. 

Agreed! 

[aiseeya]

Thanks gents. I am taking PreP but have personal policy of not hiring providers who is not on PreP. However i notice that many interesting providers not disclosing their PreP status on their ads. I guess I have to just either not hire them or query them separately.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

9 hours ago, blck37 said:

Other than the obvious, wondering if any alternative reasons as to why provider would not publish his PreP status?

Whether he is or isn't really isn't the issue. In this business, perception is rarely reality. 

It's whether YOU are on it and what precautions YOU'RE taking to minimize risk. 

Only you can help prevent forest fires. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[alrajee]

On 11/7/2023 at 11:26 PM, blck37 said:

Thanks gents. I am taking PreP but have personal policy of not hiring providers who is not on PreP. However i notice that many interesting providers not disclosing their PreP status on their ads. I guess I have to just either not hire them or query them separately.

Same policy with me. I take PrEP and I clarify the same before agreeing on a meeting, even if he lists it on his profile.

If he doesn’t list it, I assume he’s positive.

[DWnyc]

Anyone playing should know their status and given what’s available to us now, after stopping to say a word of thanks to all who made this possible for us, if they want to play raw, should either be on PREP or ART to stay undetectable. That way someone else’s status matters less.

Given how many DL men visit providers and that PREP use let alone status awareness through regular testing is so low in this segment, I can see why a provider disclosing status and medication accurately is important for some clients. It is still ridiculous - they shouldn’t be risking their health (and that of others in their life) because of their fear of discovery and they should not be relying on a providers self declaration for peace of mind. 

I know of several providers who are not truthful on prep use as well as on their actual status. They have always somehow volunteered the information including with a different profile on hookup sites. I understand (and some have shared) some of their reasoning but I think it’s better to leave out a known misrepresentation rather than to lie on something that is still a relevant issue for many (even though it shouldn’t be given what is available).

And to be clear this isn’t just about providers it’s about anyone including on hookup sites. 

[muscmtl]

On 11/7/2023 at 4:37 PM, NJF said:

I knew for sure that a provider listed as positive undetectable now left the health status section blank 

Positive... So hot. Name please?

[pubic_assistance]

On 11/7/2023 at 5:01 PM, marylander1940 said:

Smart, specially considering that now having BB sex is no longer playing Russian roulette as long as we remember taking a pill a day. 

Until PreP is proven 100% effective for everyone, there IS still a bullet in the revolver.

The statistics for the general public are still between 96% and 98% effective.

Even in perfect controlled lab results it's 99%. So there's always a small chance you'll be the unlucky guy who gets that bullet....so it IS somewhat reassuring to be under the impression your partner is on PreP as well.

[marylander1940]

On 11/11/2023 at 10:21 AM, muscmtl said:

Positive... So hot. Name please?

@NJF by IM and not on here... exposing someone's status is NOT allowed. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by marylander1940

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

1 hour ago, marylander1940 said:

@NJF by IM and not on here... exposing someone's status is now allowed. 

I have trouble believing exposing someone's status is now allowed.

Even if it is, I wouldn't do it.

[+ José Soplanucas]

19 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I have trouble believing exposing someone's status is now allowed.

Even if it is, I wouldn't do it.

I think it is a typo. He probably meant "not allowed".

[marylander1940]

30 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I have trouble believing exposing someone's status is now allowed.

Even if it is, I wouldn't do it.

 

11 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

I think it is a typo. He probably meant "not allowed".

Thank you! Damn dyslexia!

[Guest]

I’m ashamed to admit I wasn’t on PreP when I first sought out providers. Then I met a provider while on a business trip. He was a longtime fantasy of mine, it was thoughtfully planned, and I was very excited. After briefly exchanging pleasantries and developing a rapport, I asked him if he was on PreP. He said he was, but then asked “what if I’m lying,” and proceeded to lecture me about personal responsibility both for his protection and mine, making many of the same points in this thread. He was blunt and candid, and I was embarrassed. It definitely was not a sexy start to my fantasy evening. The session proceeded (safely) to conclusion, and while my fantasy was realized, the conversation completely dominated the experience. Why? Because I was ashamed and embarrassed, but also because this man cared enough about a total stranger to have the conversation. And that was really sexy! I’ve taken personal responsibility and have seen him since. Thank you, man!

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

8 hours ago, Km411 said:

I’m ashamed to admit I wasn’t on PreP when I first sought out providers. Then I met a provider while on a business trip. He was a longtime fantasy of mine, it was thoughtfully planned, and I was very excited. After briefly exchanging pleasantries and developing a rapport, I asked him if he was on PreP. He said he was, but then asked “what if I’m lying,” and proceeded to lecture me about personal responsibility both for his protection and mine, making many of the same points in this thread. He was blunt and candid, and I was embarrassed. It definitely was not a sexy start to my fantasy evening. The session proceeded (safely) to conclusion, and while my fantasy was realized, the conversation completely dominated the experience. Why? Because I was ashamed and embarrassed, but also because this man cared enough about a total stranger to have the conversation. And that was really sexy! I’ve taken personal responsibility and have seen him since. Thank you, man!

Shame and embarrassment is never the goal.

A lot of guys- especially older guys just figuring out gay sex- don't always know what PrEP is:  What it can do, what it can't do, when adding doxy into the mix is the right move, etc.  In these instances, escorts can educate without ever making people feel inferior.  The goal is protection, not proselytizing. 

As odd as it seems, many people still don't have these frank discussions with the one person they should be 100% honest with:  A doctor. 

 

Happy to read you've gotten yourself squared away 👍

Edited November 15, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[Toomuch4u]

If you actually believe most of the guys on rentmen and Rentmasseur are being honest about being on prep, you are going to be in for a surprise…..

[+ APPLE1]

Also not sure what the "obvious" would be. But, back to the question of not publishing Prep status, I feel like writing "not on Prep" would generate a lot of personal questions a provider may not want to answer. I have to assume there are folks out there not taking Prep specifically due to existing health conditions and pharmaceutical interactions.

Edited February 1, 2024 by APPLE1

[SirBillybob]

The categorization is overly simplistic, so the ad platform offers the info opt-out. The drop-down field is designed to stimulate rapport, to support that it is normative to maturely discuss STI topics. The provider will have explicitly chosen among status choices, albeit not all semantically fully accurate. If it is blank he had nevertheless decided to redact the info. Therefore, an inquiry opening up the topic will (should) not be out of left field as it was formally kick-started upon ad registration.

Edited February 2, 2024 by SirBillybob

[SirBillybob]

1 hour ago, APPLE1 said:

Also not sure what the "obvious" would be. But, back to the question of not publishing Prep status, I feel like writing "not on Prep" would generate a lot of personal questions a provider may not want to answer. I have to assume there are folks out there not taking Prep specifically due to existing health conditions and pharmaceutical interactions.

Or health promotion conditions like HIV negative and protected sex. Not exactly unicorns in my microcosm of the world. Like I suggested, the discussion gateway potential overrides the good intentions gone partially bad. 

Edited February 2, 2024 by SirBillybob

[DWnyc]

I know a couple of providers who are now positive but weren’t when I first met them - and I wonder if some clients (for whom the info is important) file away a historic answer and freeze it as still accurete.

I’ve heard more than once that those negative and on prep sometimes feel they will miss out on revenue (if providers) and the opportunity to hook up (regular sites) if they list that as it seems exclusionary, preachy etc to those positive.

 

[pubic_assistance]

30 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

I know a couple of providers who are now positive but weren’t when I first met them

Which speaks to the unreliability of PreP in the general public rather than the pharmaceutical company's oft quoted  stellar efficacy in their own controlled studies.