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I’ve pretty much reached point where I’m about to no longer display number on the 2 main Rent sites. In past couple weeks, I’ve had lots of inquiries…but haven’t had but 1 booking this whole month. 
 

On top of that, the effort to screen all these messages is becoming way more work than I’m getting paid. I’m trying to set up bookings with people, who are not replying back, not confirming as instructed, ghosting, not answering questions.
 

Like why I need to keep my number up, only to be more frustrated than what I am…dealing with people who can’t keep their word or show little intent on actually following thru. Or they show no responsibility or acknowledge that they at-least put the “expectation” of a booking happening. They just figure, “oh I’ll ghost but I didn’t make an appointment, it was just an “inquiry”. 

That’s not true. Like for example, look at this person who has ghosted on 2 occasions, but then couldn’t take a single iota of responsibility nor sent anything out of courtesy:

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and then 2 months later…(as if it never happened):

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And then this is him when I had my other assistant reach out to him to explain why he owes payment cancellation fee:

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So it’s like, not only do I have to deal with things already being a bit slower than usual: The disrespect and level of inconsideration from these guys is appalling. How do they not see why this is shiesty as hell? And regardless of what his job is: that has nothing to do with him contacting me asking for an appointment, and then running away TWICE, on ghost. Not even giving me the courtesy to let me know he couldn’t make it (which wouldn’t make a difference as: a cancel and a no show are both annoying occurrences). 
 

Like I’ve said before, I’m not getting paid enough to keep dealing with the nonsense. And some of these RentMasseur potentials only want to offer $100/$150 max and want way more than what they initially ask for.  
 

I am simply going to post my site, and have my number included on there. Leaving my number on the platforms just seems to invite a lot of people who aren’t invested, and who are just kicking tires and playing games. I need real people who actually going to read and abide and be serious when they reach out ✌️

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11 hours ago, NYXboy said:

Dude - if you are only getting one booking this month (and it's the 22nd already) it may be time to hang your hat up a retire. 

 

 

I know…but I should have had about 10. I’ve literally went thru about 10 appointment requests since September 30th that I should have gotten, but only booking I had was a MintBoy 1.5 hour session from a client visiting.
 

Others have been reaching out requesting appointments, and then disappearing off the planet 🌎 when asking them to confirm or do anything. Many of the bookings are expecting me to host NOW, for them as a complete stranger nobody with no picture and no deposit, and I have it outlined clear how I need that to be confirmed.


Main reason is because I’m not on tour, and the home market I base in has never been a favorite of mine to begin with (won’t go into details about how this ended up my home base though). Ever since inflation hit, many of the regular dudes have disappeared, and lot of new clients have been sketchy and unreliable. Idk what it is, but many from RentM seem to be flakes and unreliable lately.
 

I’ve already mentioned where 2 regulars in this area who were fine with $250 previously, but then started making like it was too much for them. They were trying to justify only doing $200. Meanwhile I’m not immune to inflation, and now getting fewer bookings. And technically they were already getting a discount for the time spent. 

I’m getting lots of hits to my ads, but it’s been hella slow. Meanwhile I’m responding to inquiries and texts, most are just weird. Or at the very least, non of them can host and they always want to meet at a short notice, limited time of day. Seems they can’t plan or think ahead. It’s not me that’s the issue, it’s the area. And it’s the Rent sites not really doing enough, leaving me to do all the legwork of screening and booking. And as you can see: no matter how prompt and polite I try to be, there is a lack of conversion going on out here. 

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i see no concrete bookings in the pics you have shown as 'evidence' - just inital enquiires. 

 

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Or at the very least, non of them can host and they always want to meet at a short notice, limited time of day.

this is the nature of the business, no matter what city you are in. 

 

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’ve literally went thru about 10 appointment requests that I should have gotten, but they have all pussy-footed and not booked shit. That’s the problem.

consider this - and i mean this in the nicest way - perhaps the energy you are putting out there is the problem. 

 

For someone who only sees one client a month - you sure do have a LOT to say on these boards. 

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I think maybe you’re investing too much hope in what are mostly just enquiries? I get lots of people asking about availability etc, even guys who book but then change their minds on the day. It’s annoying but normal for people to simply go quiet when I reply with rates or availability.

Therefore I simply don’t build up any expectations of a booking or even of a client actually turning up until I open the door to them in person. Anything before them standing in front of me is just a ‘maybe’. and my expectations are zero. Of all the enquiries I get only around 50% turn into a real session. The other 50% are window shoppers, the perennial undecided, the hopelessly disorganised and the ones who get off on the thought of a session but who can’t cope with the reality. I think this is the milk that one has to accept if one wants the cream. So I accept the milk and enjoy the cream. 

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8 hours ago, NYXboy said:

i see no concrete bookings in the pics you have shown as 'evidence' - just inital enquiires. 

 

this is the nature of the business, no matter what city you are in. 

 

consider this - and i mean this in the nicest way - perhaps the energy you are putting out there is the problem. 

 

For someone who only sees one client a month - you sure do have a LOT to say on these boards. 

Okay I was with you, until you had to come off a little presumptuous in your last 2 sentences. Please don’t go there with me 😑 

I never said I only see one client a month. I meant I’ve only had one ACTUAL booking in person, this month. That doesn’t include my website content sales, nor clients I already have all around. It’s actually been more like 5-6 clients I could say I’ve seen, in the past month to DATE. Still not as many as I prefer, but October has been slower than any I’ve ever seen in my years in the industry.

It’s just been the perfect storm: new war brewing under already tense inflation and govt. shutdown concerns, then add more guys popping up on RentMen and RentMasseur in small markets that used to have only 3-5 guys advertising: now there’s like 20. All my other regulars and potentials are either out of town, don’t have the funds, or too busy with work to have sex 😔 
 

I also seen this coming because, my only main regular in town cut me off earlier this year, because I wanted to accept an invite to a Saturday night event instead of hangout (aka, fuck) at his apartment: There was plenty times I told myself, if I didn’t have him as a regular I would be getting hardly nothing out here. At the same time, I have a right to make my own decisions. If that’s hard for someone to accept, they have the right to feel that way. 
 

So don’t always jump to pointing the finger, unless you’ve actually done the appropriate research behind a particular matter…And have a better solution other than “energy”. Save that for juju and horoscope talk.

7 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

I think maybe you’re investing too much hope in what are mostly just enquiries? I get lots of people asking about availability etc, even guys who book but then change their minds on the day. It’s annoying but normal for people to simply go quiet when I reply with rates or availability.

Therefore I simply don’t build up any expectations of a booking or even of a client actually turning up until I open the door to them in person. Anything before them standing in front of me is just a ‘maybe’. and my expectations are zero. Of all the enquiries I get only around 50% turn into a real session. The other 50% are window shoppers, the perennial undecided, the hopelessly disorganised and the ones who get off on the thought of a session but who can’t cope with the reality. I think this is the milk that one has to accept if one wants the cream. So I accept the milk and enjoy the cream. 

My thing is, I don’t just simply see them as  “just” inquiries. We’ve had this discussion around here; how many times are people looking at ads 100 times and don’t even send a message? That’s what I call an inquiry. And they can look 100 times if that’s what it takes for them to book. The problem comes when they then reach out, but neglect to follow thru. 

And sure to them, it’s just an inquiry. In their small world. But if that’s the case, why is it that I can easily find out what other people say? Are they putting too much investment in the inquiry too?

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And this same client contacted me yesterday. Viewed my ad a few times, then called me (I don’t answer calls for this reason, which I specifically stats in the ad that he didn’t read and/or ignored. I need to check them out before I just start engaging in conversations). 
 

So is it JUST an inquiry? It’s not. It’s people who don’t actually respect provider’s time. They assume we have “other clients” who will pick up the slack if they cancel. Meanwhile they expect us to have it all together: a place to host them, a haircut to look good, great smile with expensive dental treatment, and a luxury car to get to them, filled with $4 gas (it’s actually gone down a little bit close to $3 in my area…but that’s basic premium that will cause lower performance and poor mileage in the type of cars I drive).

Well how the fuck can I afford this stuff if 75% of them are sitting around playing bullshit games and not even trying to plan anything ahead of time, and then not responding when I do let them know I can accommodate? 
 

@Jamie21 I won’t say you’re playing devils advocate. But I think these guys know what they’re doing is inconsiderate. It’s called, conscience. Do they have one? If not, they need to get into therapy WITH ME since some people seem to think that’s the answer for everything 🙄 

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5 hours ago, DERRIK said:

Back in the day I sold cars

we always joked about the “be back bus” 

be backs are just a part of doing business 

Funny you mention this because, there’s a former escort who told me he went into fleet sales. And I’m “almost” considering going into car type of sales myself since I know the automotive industry pretty well.
 

But…I feel car salesmen get a bad rap, and idk if I want to go into another industry that relies on commissions. If I do, I would want to select a brand that I know I wouldn’t have an issue selling to the market it’s trying to sell to lol.

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7 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Anything before them standing in front of me is just a ‘maybe’. and my expectations are zero.

As a client, I have similar expectations about whether a provider can or will follow through with a booking for which I've made the time and am looking forward to.

IMO I've only made a booking once it is double confirmed. For example, after important information not their profile is gathered:

Me: Your rate of $X works. I'd like to meet up for 2 hours starting at 1:00 PM tomorrow, if that's good for you?

Them: I can do that, see you tomorrow at 1.

Me: Great! Looking forward to it!

Until I have an exchange like the above, I don't assume I have a confirmed appointment with a provider. I'm very conscientiousness about not wasting anyone's time in the booking process, and I consider the concrete confirmation of a day, time, duration and rate is respectful of all parties time and attention.

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1 hour ago, Your Man in Arlington said:

Me: Your rate of $X works. I'd like to meet up for 2 hours starting at 1:00 PM tomorrow, if that's good for you?

Them: I can do that, see you tomorrow at 1.

Me: Great! Looking forward to it!

 

When I receive a booking like that, I usually know it’s good to go. However, some of the ones I mentioned just say something like “This morning” or “tonight”. Not necessarily specific times but, many of escorts will often think, “oh great I have a client tonight”…only to have all of the above go on. 
 

I still say RentM should start letting us write our own message in the phone number section. The generic, “my name is Jarrod, say you seen me on RentM” needs to be replaced with something pertinent to the hour and day at hand.

Then again, this is why I have my own site with all those details. I’ll be waiting awhile if I waited for other sites to update their features.

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6 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

When I receive a booking like that, I usually know it’s good to go. However, some of the ones I mentioned just say something like “This morning” or “tonight”. Not necessarily specific times but, many of escorts will often think, “oh great I have a client tonight”…only to have all of the above go on. 

I'm sure so, so many clients or potential clients do not approach this process with clarity that I attempt to. I usually book a few days up to a week ahead, starting with a range of days, for example: "I'm visiting next week and looking to meet up on Tuesday or Wednesday late morning or early afternoon," to make sure there's a general schedule match up front.

Maybe by approach is informed by having been on other side of equation? Albeit, when I was a provider all I had was a tiny text ad in the local gay rag, a pager, and a street corner to fall back on. Times have changed for better or worse, but it's still all about mutual respect!

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21 minutes ago, gn233 said:

The first guy said he was hoping for that evening, the 17th. He also says tommorow afternoon or late evening MAY work.

You responded very late on 18th, almost the 19th. Is it not obvious why you didn't hear back from him until he was in town again?

Well that may have been a case of: why use RentMasseur email, instead of texting me directly (and this is even with my number being up at the time), if the booking request was time sensitive? I did my part by responding back, he didn’t. Then he waited from August until October to get back to me with a 2nd booking request. So for me to reply the next day is pretty generous compared to his 2 month delay.

 

I also replied back the same day the 2nd time he contacted me, no response. First he emailed and then texted me. That’s why my booking assistant was like: why the fuck didn’t you reply back after sending him a booking request? That’s just shady and sketchy all around. 

And he didn’t even say, “Hey I tried to connect with you in Tulsa back in August”. It was simply his sending me a lousy email and text on the day of, trying to request a booking in a whole different town. If he was really invested, he would have put more effort in reaching me the day prior or so. Which doesn’t require much effort, just courtesy. Which he failed to give me, instead wanted to argue about how busy he is. Goodbye 👋🏽 

 

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7 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Well that may have been a case of: why use RentMasseur email, instead of texting me directly (and this is even with my number being up at the time), if the booking request was time sensitive? I did my part by responding back, he didn’t. Then he waited from August until October to get back to me with a 2nd booking request. So for me to reply the next day is pretty generous compared to his 2 month delay.

 

I also replied back the same day the 2nd time he contacted me, no response. First he emailed and then texted me. That’s why my booking assistant was like: why the fuck didn’t you reply back after sending him a booking request? That’s just shady and sketchy all around. 

And he didn’t even say, “Hey I tried to connect with you in Tulsa back in August”. It was simply his sending me a lousy email and text on the day of, trying to request a booking in a whole different town. If he was really invested, he would have put more effort in reaching me the day prior or so. Which doesn’t require much effort, just courtesy. Which he failed to give me, instead wanted to argue about how busy he is. Goodbye 👋🏽 

 

Maybe he's married and doesn't use his phone like that? Who knows. But you clearly were late in responding in his eyes. He prob already found someone else by that point or just jerked himself off and went to bed. He owes you nothing. He was clear what he needed and you didn't notice.

If you are getting that few bookings a month, one would think you would be quicker to respond too.

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58 minutes ago, gn233 said:

Maybe he's married and doesn't use his phone like that? Who knows. But you clearly were late in responding in his eyes. He prob already found someone else by that point or just jerked himself off and went to bed. He owes you nothing. He was clear what he needed and you didn't notice.

If you are getting that few bookings a month, one would think you would be quicker to respond too.

Based on what he said, it wasn’t neither of the above…but rather that his schedule changes at the drop of a dime and yadda yadda yadda and that’s why he couldn’t get back. Which…has nothing to do with me or my response time. Anyone who sends an email should not anticipate or expect immediate availability based on that. It’s simply not the platform for that. If he wanted ASAP attention, he would have done like one of my good client friends on here has done previously: sent the deposit, got my attention, and then texted to inform that deposit was sent.

You don’t have to keep making excuses for someone’s lack of courtesy. I’m also not going to take the blame for someone else’s failure to properly use the available features of contacting me either the day prior or with reasonable notice. Why is he emailing me at 8 a.m., is the question I want you know.
 

And I specifically remember that week he contacted: Yet another client in that town contacted me a day prior, requested a session via text, sent his deposit, and all was well. So it’s not a race of who responds the fastest. 

Some people are just full of shit. I know that’s hard to fathom, but it is what it is. That’s why I ask deposits.

And again as I’ve explained to someone else: my particular market is not conducive to being an escort. Just because I mention a number doesn’t imply lack of interest. I often have to turn down many bookings because they want to pay me a rate that escorts used to do back in 2002 (before I even was an escort). 
 

If I were to charge $100, I would probably have more than 1 client this month. Problem is, $100 doesn’t make me any money…and lot of the $100 clients are lousy planners, flaky/last minute, wait two years between contacting, etc. I’m not just some guy trying this out looking for my next fix. I know my worth, and what I bring to the table. Unfortunately, some markets are infiltrated with cheap opportunistic guys who don’t want to pay for s*x. They’ll spend $80,000 on a pickup truck, but won’t give $300 for an experience. 
 

 

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8 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

@Jamie21 I won’t say you’re playing devils advocate. But I think these guys know what they’re doing is inconsiderate.

Maybe some do, probably most don’t. I still think they’re just enquiries until the moment they’re in front of you. What goes on in their mind and in their world is nothing you can control. All you can do is control how you think about it. 

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8 hours ago, Your Man in Arlington said:

As a client, I have similar expectations about whether a provider can or will follow through with a booking for which I've made the time and am looking forward to.

IMO I've only made a booking once it is double confirmed. For example, after important information not their profile is gathered:

Me: Your rate of $X works. I'd like to meet up for 2 hours starting at 1:00 PM tomorrow, if that's good for you?

Them: I can do that, see you tomorrow at 1.

Me: Great! Looking forward to it!

Until I have an exchange like the above, I don't assume I have a confirmed appointment with a provider. I'm very conscientiousness about not wasting anyone's time in the booking process, and I consider the concrete confirmation of a day, time, duration and rate is respectful of all parties time and attention.

That’s it. And I always send a confirmation message the day before the client’s meeting because people tend to forget or change their mind. 

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18 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

And I always send a confirmation message the day before the client’s meeting because people tend to forget or change their mind. 

I automate this process. Once the client confirms day, start time, and services, I book them in my booking system. Then the system works on my behalf days or even weeks later sending a reminder to the client with all the relevant details. That assumes I have an email or phone number, even if it’s a junk email or burner number.

Some clients do not wish to share a contact method. I ask for it when confirming their appointment request details and most share one. For bookings coordinated 100% on other platforms, I sometimes remember to send a confirmation message the day before, or hours before their appointment. Sometimes I don’t. Most still show.

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45 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

That’s it. And I always send a confirmation message the day before the client’s meeting because people tend to forget or change their mind. 

This is good business in general. I will only use service providers that confirm via text the day before. My doctor, my dentist, my mechanic, my car detailer, my psychiatrist, my house keeper, regular escorts. Etc etc.  I think this is an incredible way to do business, and one of the first questions I ask when choosing new service professionals. If they don’t offer the service I don’t patronize them. 

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2 hours ago, Coolwave35 said:

This is good business in general. I will only use service providers that confirm via text the day before. My doctor, my dentist, my mechanic, my car detailer, my psychiatrist, my house keeper, regular escorts. Etc etc.  I think this is an incredible way to do business, and one of the first questions I ask when choosing new service professionals. If they don’t offer the service I don’t patronize them. 

Absolutely this. I always politely confirm the day before ("Hi! Just checking in, does 2:00 PM tomorrow still work for you?"), if he doesn't beat me to it; and, again the day of as one of us is en route or about to be en route. I don't want to take up too much of someone's time or attention, but I find this helps build trust.

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Well what did you conclude? Did you decide to remove your phone number from your ad/listing? I realize more and more all the time how different we all operate, many times wrong or right has nothing to do with it but rather doing what works for us individually. I only listed my phone number for about a month MANY years ago but felt it was just too much chaos, clatter and my phone literally never stopped 😵‍💫 
I've not listed my phone number and it's never negatively impacted me, in fact I feel it's only helped me... it makes people jump through an additional hoop ( an email and or message via the rent sites platform ) the more I read the better feel I get for a potential match or no match. I've always believed that those that are really serious will make the effort... having a phone number listed just seems too easy for someone to waste your time, if the time is gonna be wasted, at least make them work for it, and as a bonus the more they write ✍ the more they tell you about what type of person they are... it's win win. I know this is just my way of operating but I feel that many people I see don't necessarily want what's just too readily "available" maybe 🤔 almost a "if anyone can have it, I don't want it" mentality. Less is more...  Jarrod, you have loads of energy 🙌🏽 Redirect your energy and maybe give less to these people that don't deserve it, some messages don't require a response. 

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You have your phone number listed on your website Jarrod so I say take it off your ad to cut down a little on the game players. Anyone who is serious about hiring you would read your ad and then go onto your personal site and see your number there.

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18 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Maybe some do, probably most don’t. I still think they’re just enquiries until the moment they’re in front of you. What goes on in their mind and in their world is nothing you can control. All you can do is control how you think about it. 

 

Right, but my thing is this: I feel on this board; for obvious reasons, people take the clients point of view faster than the other. And I know if this were a grade school (and by no means relating what we do to minors, BIG disclaimer lol), you’re probably the “lenient” teacher.

The mean teacher doesn’t take bullshit from anyone (and no I don’t want to be a teacher, atleast not for anyone under 21 lol). I’m not mean but, similar to a teacher I had from Toronto: The kids knew they couldn’t get over on him because even though he was nice, he was not going to tolerate the nonsense.

I would like to turn the tables a bit: what if an escort contacted a client, say: from seeing them view their profile. Escort says verbatim what fake client said: “hey I would like to see you blah blah blah and I’m staying at the Hilton hotel in blah blah city. Would you like an appointment tonight. If so, how much are you willing to pay?” And what if after client replied back, escort doesn’t respond? How would a client feel about that?

And then 2 months later, escort contacts client again…no mention of ghosting on the last inquiry, only to do it AGAIN. Am I supposed to just sit back and say, “oop, it’s just inquiries”. And the audacity of him to then say, “I should have gotten the hint that his schedule changed”. 
 

It’s no excuse for that shitty behavior. I know some people can just brush it off and move on but, when I’m already dealing with similar shit multiple times a week…I don’t have patience for it. And then he wanted to say: “I’m blocking you”. Well by all means, do me a favor! I don’t want people who think it’s okay to ghost and not respond, contacting me anymore with fake bookings to begin with.

I feel this is partly why ” potentials “ get away with their bad behavior these days. Maybe other providers don’t hold them accountable like I do. Many seem to be shocked and surprised. Yes, I am going to call them out for flaking. I’m not a customer call center. They already know a lot about me before contacting. Many of the flaky inquiries come because like you say: the chronically disorganized, etc. I even have clients who will admit, “I know I flaked last time, or “sorry for being flaky”. I respect their honesty and acknowledgement and willing to give them another chance. I don’t respect those who do it again and again and feel they did nothing to inconvenience , or make it seem like I’m not owed anything. 
 

14 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

Well what did you conclude? Did you decide to remove your phone number from your ad/listing? I realize more and more all the time how different we all operate, many times wrong or right has nothing to do with it but rather doing what works for us individually. I only listed my phone number for about a month MANY years ago but felt it was just too much chaos, clatter and my phone literally never stopped 😵‍💫 
I've not listed my phone number and it's never negatively impacted me, in fact I feel it's only helped me... it makes people jump through an additional hoop ( an email and or message via the rent sites platform ) the more I read the better feel I get for a potential match or no match. I've always believed that those that are really serious will make the effort... having a phone number listed just seems too easy for someone to waste your time, if the time is gonna be wasted, at least make them work for it, and as a bonus the more they write ✍ the more they tell you about what type of person they are... it's win win. I know this is just my way of operating but I feel that many people I see don't necessarily want what's just too readily "available" maybe 🤔 almost a "if anyone can have it, I don't want it" mentality. Less is more...  Jarrod, you have loads of energy 🙌🏽 Redirect your energy and maybe give less to these people that don't deserve it, some messages don't require a response. 


Thanks much for telling your side! That compelled me more to not be FOMO about my decision. Lately I go from having my number up certain times of day, and taking it down during others.
 

The kicker is, I have a separate ad phone…so I can technically turn off/silence my ad phone at any given time. But even just responding to messages I do receive, having a 2nd phone isn’t enough. And I don’t want to leave all the setting up to my booking assistant. He mainly just helps with lodging, safety, travel, reminders about bookings, etc.

However, I’m at the edge of basically giving him access to handle all my initial booking requests. But I feel it’s only fair the client gets to reach me directly. But the abuse of that is wearing thin. So, I may remove my number if I’m busy with projects, family or friend’s outings, etc. 

I’m just still old school to where, a text or call would come thru and save the day. Unfortunately I don’t have it in me to take calls out the blue anymore. I sometimes worry I’m missing clients, because I used to answer the phone that way. But unless I’m in a hotel room or on tour, I just don’t have the inclination. 
 

A text is the initial “hello I want to book” I prefer. I don’t mind talking on the phone, but I need to do it when I’m ready and have an appointment. 

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