How often are we contacting a manager instead of the direct provider?

[TopBunk]

I met with a provider and after "business," we started chatting a bit. He ended up telling me a lot, including that he works for a company that arranges everything for him-- flights, hotels, and appointments. He advised me to be very kind when messaging on rm because you can get a reputation so easily because it's one service connecting you to providers.

 

 

Is there any truth to this?

[soloyo215]

Personally, I see no reason to not be nice when using RM for messaging, at least that's my rule. I'm not sure what you mean by "it's one service connecting you to providers". Yes, the very existence of RM is to connect clients with providers and manage all the logistics around it.

[ChasingGirth]

Were you dealing with a well known porn star? Most guys respond to inquiries themselves they don’t use a third party to connect them to clients. That would be a never ending back and forth. 

[ICTJOCK]

I did a thread on "handlers" or pimps recently.     I understand here you are talking about a service.      I see no reason to doubt the assertion,  although I've never heard of it.

Anything is possible these days.    And as far as RM,   I always appreciate a professional tone with the potential clients with conversation.    I rarely have anyone who has been rude .

Certainly keep us posted if you hear more and would like to hear others comment on the topic.

[jawjateck]

23 years in the hobby, I have never made arrangements with a third party. On a couple of occasions, I sensed that I was dealing with someone other than the advertised provider and that ended the negotiations.

[maninsoma]

A couple of times I arranged a meeting through a manager/scheduler, unbeknownst to me.  In both cases I discovered this after showing up for the appointments, and the guys explained that because English was their second language they preferred having someone else schedule their appointments.

[Jamie21]

I think it’s very unusual. Most guys I know handle all their client interactions. It’s just not practical to have someone ‘in the middle’. All my interactions with clients are done by me but where I do employ a manager is for social media.

I have someone handle my filming schedule, edit the films, post my content on fans sites and deal with all the admin associated with that. He also schedules some collaborations. However I do all the communications with those who follow me.

There’s just too much work associated with doing filming for social media to handle it all alone. 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, Jamie21 said:

It’s just not practical to have someone ‘in the middle’.

I don't think that's always true.

Back when I worked in and around the fashion industry there was a service that matched models to wealthy gentlemen. From what I was told the fees for an evening with one of these beauties was incredibly expensive. But people paid it because that was the only way they were getting access. These guys didn't officially escort.

[BonVivant]

There used to be escort agencies around that handled the meetings, etc. I used them a few times. They were fine. I am not surprised if there are talent management companies for this on RM. It exists for everything else, e.g. Airbnb rentals, etc., so not surprising in the least. 

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[TopBunk]

To be clear, the advisement to be kind was general. Of course I'm kind.

 

The issue I was surprised about was that I assumed I was talking to the provider directly, but he said he doesn't participate in conversations arranging appointments.

[+ DrownedBoy]

13 hours ago, maninsoma said:

A couple of times I arranged a meeting through a manager/scheduler, unbeknownst to me.  In both cases I discovered this after showing up for the appointments, and the guys explained that because English was their second language they preferred having someone else schedule their appointments.

I had non English speakers who had helpers, but I don't think they were managed.

If a escort fed me the same line as the OP, I'd smile outwardly and dismiss it as bullshit inwardly. It sounds like an attempt to exaggerate his popularity and intimidate. I've heard BS like that before, from escorts who proved untrustworthy.

[GTMike]

On 9/26/2023 at 12:56 AM, TopBunk said:

I met with a provider and after "business," we started chatting a bit. He ended up telling me a lot, including that he works for a company that arranges everything for him-- flights, hotels, and appointments. He advised me to be very kind when messaging on rm because you can get a reputation so easily because it's one service connecting you to providers.

 

 

Is there any truth to this?

I don't know how to reliably estimate how prevalent that level and type of specific activity may be, but I know similar things happen very commonly in examples below regarding the communication and marketing of the online content.

1) "wolf-packs". There is a handler/recruiter/scheduler that finds and uses random Pics to approximate the rotating 2 - 5 guys he might be handling every few months as they move from city to city.  That's where a lot of the reported "fake" scam profiles come from and inconsistency of what "straight GFP" guy shows up.

2) International/non-english speaking as mentioned is sometimes handled on behalf of a group but in this case the pic's and person are authentic.

3) Can't give the percentage but not an insignficant amount of initial and follow-on communication with OnlyFan/Twitter/X DM'ing etc.. is done by folks who started out by taking a cut for editiing, marketing and monitoring of the video's content supplied by the performer. And they act as initial screens and filters. Later though and obviously with video's and on one video chats you get authenticity.  But at any given time the behind the scene handlers represent a stable of different guys.

It would make sense to me that a handler, manager, or company that's monitoring a RM profile for example could propose a city to travel to, see what responses happen and if/when enough "reliable" interest is generated, then book a hotel and manage other logistics.  Seems like any other business where's there a lot of supply and demand factors at work and inherently people see business opportunities to increase efficiencies in that marketplace. 

[Keenan]

On 9/26/2023 at 12:25 PM, BonVivant said:

There used to be escort agencies around that handled the meetings, etc. I used them a few times. They were fine. I am not surprised if there are talent management companies for this on RM. It exists for everything else, e.g. Airbnb rentals, etc., so not surprising in the least. 

There are still agencies, I work for one but its a more diverse range of services from dancers to escorts they provide.  I provide them my weekly schedule and they do the rest.  While it's nice when I handled booking on my own I don't have to worry about a cut of the profits being taken.  

Keenan

[Simon Suraci]

I wouldn’t dream of having a handler or company managing me, taking a cut of my earnings, and having complete control over which clients I take, etc. Yes, managing all that myself is a lot of work, but it gives me freedom and autonomy. That’s one of the things I really like about this job. 

Plus clients like engaging with me directly. It adds to the quality of the whole experience for them.

When I feel in my gut that the client is not a good match, I don’t take the client. I have a hard time handing that over to another person.

I personally know of no other escorts or masseurs who use some sort of manager.

[marylander1940]

Hard to tell.. but nowadays in this world of texting many escorts have a "handler" scheduling appointments for them. 

Would artificial intelligence ever take over this task?

[Medin]

I think it's very common and a good percentage of the Florida based escorts are being "managed".   Many/most work for an "agency".   It always seems nobody wants to talk about it for some reason.  Does anyone think these young guys arrive in the US from Venezuela, Honduras, etc with no job and minimal language skills and are able to just fly all over the US, stay at hotels for weeks on end and already have credit established to pay for all of that?  You can also see they are all working for a company because they use the same photo-shopped backgrounds, often are wearing the same clothes (usually from D&G, Valentino and the like).   Then you have the language situation.  You text with them multiple times without any issue and then when you meet, you find out they speak about 10 words of English.  

[+ DrownedBoy]

6 hours ago, Medin said:

I think it's very common and a good percentage of the Florida based escorts are being "managed".   Many/most work for an "agency".   It always seems nobody wants to talk about it for some reason.  Does anyone think these young guys arrive in the US from Venezuela, Honduras, etc with no job and minimal language skills and are able to just fly all over the US, stay at hotels for weeks on end and already have credit established to pay for all of that?  You can also see they are all working for a company because they use the same photo-shopped backgrounds, often are wearing the same clothes (usually from D&G, Valentino and the like).   Then you have the language situation.  You text with them multiple times without any issue and then when you meet, you find out they speak about 10 words of English.  

I hate to admit you're right there, but that would explain a lot.

I'm a little worried about hiring that type of person, since I'm sure working through an agency that sends them across border would be classified as "sex trafficking" by conservative LE reps.

I'm also a tad concerned about Venezuelans. I've done some volunteer work for the Venezuelan refugees who were/are staying at Chicago police stations. I heard that some group claimed to be from a "church" and was offering a full package, job, housing, etc. Luckily, they were so suspicious that even the Venezuelans didn't fall for it (we later learned that it wasn't a "church" but some unknown group that used that word to try and gain their trust). The Venezuelan men, in particular, are desperate to find work; they constantly ask volunteers to help them find paid work. This is a dangerous situation, and could lead to something that I would morally consider sex trafficking.

[Rudynate]

I wish I could remember who it is - a very popular, welll known guy, has mentioned that he has a scheduler.