Hosting In-Calls may no longer be included in price…

[Jarrod_Uncut]

As someone who travels and goes on “tour” often, I’ve usually always just kept my in/out the same. Some people may be familiar with having the outcall rate more than the incall rate (which I don’t find personally makes sense for me, since outcalls are technically easier for me…No clean up or hotel overheads).

I’ve recently consulted with a different community, and it seems it’s pretty standard to add on an extra cost for hosting in hotels. However, it seems it hasn’t become too common here unless it’s specifically asked for.
 

My reasoning for it: it used to be getting a room had the potential of being able to fit in 2 or more clients. Now, I’m finding in many cities, it’s more common to only have 1 client per hotel “booking” day (given you don’t get 24 hours, just the standard check in 3, checkout noon) which often causes me to be unable to see a noon to 3 p.m. client unless I reserve an extra day. I find if I’m “lucky” and can just happen to get schedules to line up, I’ll see more than 1 client. 

 

And of course the main thing, is the cost of hotels. After I pay for a room, I don’t end up with my actual price. Especially with special events like games, concerts, holidays: hotels jack their rates up, and if I need to host away from home: that’s coming right out of my earning. I also feel some clients book in-calls even if they can host, because they feel safer than having someone come to their place first.

Of course I would be sure to bring it up, and lay it out ahead of time with the client. The decision would be between having a designated higher incall donation, or just manually have an amount added. Something like $50-$100 extra. Or if the person wishes to get the room themselves, by all means.

By doing this, I would also want to cut out a lot of the “speculative” and “assumptive” things that go on. For example, some clients may see me posting in a city, and think I’m just going there by default with hotel ready and waiting. I have to remind them, it’s “by appointment only” anywhere I go. Even if I’m already planning to pass/go there.
 

One guy didn’t want to pay deposit, but expected me to stop in his city AND get a hotel to host. Absolutely not. If I do that and the person fails to show up,  I’m out the price of hotel, and my fee with no guarantee another client will fill the space for the 1 day I could book the room for. I ended up booking a different client in a nearby city who did confirm the session.
 

I think it may also help with the “don’t get a hotel room just for me” phrases I get sometimes. Well then, would it be better when I have 2-3 clients lined up that day? Not going to happen. Most people lately often have too busy of a schedule, to meet all in the same day when I’m hosting.

Edited September 18, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[ICTJOCK]

Interesting update.   I would think anyone charging extra "for the facility" (as an add on) would need to be disclosed in advance.    I can see it could make sense,  especially in cities with limited space or high rates due to conventions or other events that limit hotel space.

Since we all disclose our hourly rates,  any additions should be made clear in the beginning I would think.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

10 hours ago, ICTJOCK said:

Interesting update.   I would think anyone charging extra "for the facility" (as an add on) would need to be disclosed in advance.    I can see it could make sense,  especially in cities with limited space or high rates due to conventions or other events that limit hotel space.

Since we all disclose our hourly rates,  any additions should be made clear in the beginning I would think.

I’m definitely leaning towards that. But since I can imagine it might be a bit of resistance to adding extra for the hotel, I decided to just bump my price a little more towards what I want it to be.
 

And I still find even incall/outcall difference in rate doesn’t make as much sense than having tier level service. Outcalls aren’t always “easier” than incalls or Vice versa. Some days I already have a hotel set up, and prefer to host IF a call comes thru.
 

It’s just I can’t necessarily “rely” on the idea that by booking a hotel, I’ll make back on what I spent on it. Because a lot of times, I’m not. It’s been my rate, minus what I spent on the room. 
 

But if I can up my rate to a point where it offsets it, it might not be an issue. Fortunately, many hotel chains offer decent deals/rewards for regular bookings. So I occasionally end up with free or reduced nights. 
 

 

Edited September 18, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ The Big Guy]

I think this is a fair request and I would just look at it as part of the total cost of the encounter and compare it to other provider options. 

[+ DynamicUno]

I think it's all in how you communicate about the rates.  Having a "travelling" rate that is higher than your home rate that defrays the expenses for hotel and incidentals seems reasonable. Stating it as a surcharge (call it a "resort fee"?) might be off putting, however.

 

[marylander1940]

In an overwhelming majority of hires outcalls are more expensive than in calls because it takes time for an escort to go to a client's place whether is right next door or miles away, walking distance or by car, uber, etc. 

Chasing conventions, games, special events, is very likely to backfire.... prices are waaaay more expensive and how likely is that someone who happens to be visiting will hire an escort considering he's very likely to be hanging out with friends, etc. Besides most locals because of traffic, etc. might stay home. 

An escort can always go to Boston.... why going there during the Boston Marathon? Go there the weekend before or after. 

 

[maninsoma]

17 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

In an overwhelming majority of hires outcalls are more expensive than in calls because it takes time for an escort to go to a client's place whether is right next door or miles away, walking distance or by car, uber, etc. 

Chasing conventions, games, special events, is very likely to backfire.... prices are waaaay more expensive and how likely is that someone who happens to be visiting will hire an escort considering he's very likely to be hanging out with friends, etc. Besides most locals because of traffic, etc. might stay home. 

An escort can always go to Boston.... why going there during the Boston Marathon? Go there the weekend before or after. 

 

I know a lot of escorts visit San Francisco around the time of Folsom Street Fair, but that makes sense because it is a sexually oriented event and presumably there are both locals and many out of town visitors who are looking to hire as part of their fun that weekend.

I agree that it wouldn't make sense to try to chase some other type of event for the reasons you list.

[BuffaloKyle]

I don't mind getting quoted two different rates depending on an outcall vs incall. One provider recently that was based in Buffalo quoted a higher incall rate than outcall rate actually he said because he wanted to encourage outcall appointments. He had his own place but he didn't want every client to know where he lived and to not be giving out his address to guys who would then ghost him. Makes a ton of sense! I personally usually only hire when I know I'll be having my place to myself as I don't live alone and as I do prefer to host. Then if a provider has different rates I can go with the lower rate for either his place or mine.

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, maninsoma said:

I know a lot of escorts visit San Francisco around the time of Folsom Street Fair, but that makes sense because it is a sexually oriented event and presumably there are both locals and many out of town visitors who are looking to hire as part of their fun that weekend.

I agree that it wouldn't make sense to try to chase some other type of event for the reasons you list.

They same happens here with MAL (Mid Atlantic Leather) most escorts I know flee the city. "Why bother staying when anyone can have sex for free!" they tell me.

[maninsoma]

39 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

They same happens here with MAL (Mid Atlantic Leather) most escorts I know flee the city. "Why bother staying when anyone can have sex for free!" they tell me.

The question is whether you can get what/who you want for free.

[marylander1940]

Just now, maninsoma said:

The question is whether you can get what/who you want for free.

I'll just start a thread about this subject, no need to drag this one out of subject. 

Back to sujbect:

@Jarrod_Uncut if you think hosting is too expensive, don't travel to that city and if you do it just stay n a friend's sofa. Just my 2 cents like @bigvalboy RIP, loved saying. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

6 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

I'll just start a thread about this subject, no need to drag this one out of subject. 

Back to sujbect:

@Jarrod_Uncut if you think hosting is too expensive, don't travel to that city and if you do it just stay n a friend's sofa. Just my 2 cents like @bigvalboy RIP, loved saying. 

Umm, actually no it’s not about hosting being too expensive or even avoiding traveling to a particular city. I’m referring regardless to the city or cost of the hotel. It’s more of the fact of getting a spot to host at all. Whether that’s $50 or $150, it still comes out of what I’m getting paid.

I also don’t stay on any friend’s sofa…I’m 6’2. Most sofas aren’t big enough for me to sleep on. If anything, we’re going to sleep in the bed together☝

However, what I have decided to do: is since I’ve already adjusted by rates by $50-$100 this year: and my deposit to host is already more than it is for Outcalls, I mentioned that the deposit paid to host may not be included in certain “nearby” travel cities listed on my ad. 
 

For example, when I advertise in Kansas City, it costs me more time and funds to host. Also some people see my ad posted up in cities in other areas nearby. But then they expect me to drive there AND host. In their minds, I’m just already there or planning to be there by default. No. I am by special appointment only. If I were to do all that: travel, host and drive back: that’s not even leaving me with any profit unless they book my higher priced session. 

So, I just have to start adding the cost of the hotel in my rate, because it’s no guarantee I will have more than 1 client show up during the time I am available. However, I do have a city I can host from home…however like @BuffaloKyle mentioned: it’s not a place that’s available to have people in/out all the time. 
 

Fortunently, I’ve found just in the past week when I’ve pushed this concept: clients have been willing to either get the room for the booking, or decide to host themselves. 

Edited September 20, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[DWnyc]

As always, do what you want, and good for you if you can get it to work,

Most people here have views on this that are unlikely to change. 

But please remember, if you’re saying a client should understand the cost of a hotel room if you pay comes out of your fees (technically it’s your expense line in general, not just applied against their fees per se) if you shift some or all of that to the client it adds to their fees in the same way. If there are alternatives (eg in a large city like mine) that alone will kill your odds. Maybe with less or no competition in the areas you often describe you have more leverage but you also talk generally about problems getting clients to show up, book etc - that hit rate doesn’t increase typically when you raise effective prices,

[Jarrod_Uncut]

13 hours ago, DWnyc said:

As always, do what you want, and good for you if you can get it to work,

Most people here have views on this that are unlikely to change. 

But please remember, if you’re saying a client should understand the cost of a hotel room if you pay comes out of your fees (technically it’s your expense line in general, not just applied against their fees per se) if you shift some or all of that to the client it adds to their fees in the same way. If there are alternatives (eg in a large city like mine) that alone will kill your odds. Maybe with less or no competition in the areas you often describe you have more leverage but you also talk generally about problems getting clients to show up, book etc - that hit rate doesn’t increase typically when you raise effective prices,

Well, I’m not really trying to compare myself around the competition, in this particular situation. Using competition as a fear tactic (not that you’re doing that, but it’s easy to fall into the trap) is not something I’m interested in.

Just in the past couple days: I’ve had to turn down 2 outcall clients, who failed to screen or send deposit. Even though I didn’t intentionally want to miss their business or pleasure: the times of night they were contacting me, along with unexplained/unexpected LONG delays in responding prior to their sudden urge in the middle of the night, were not something I was open to waive policies for. I wasn’t going to let the fear of them contacting competition, sugarcoat a situation that seemed sketchy and weird. 
 

But closer to topic at hand, overall I don’t think it should be a big deal breaker. For years, it was very common that outcalls were usually $50-$100 more in many ads. If someone can justify needing extra for an outcall, someone can justify needing extra for an incall. It just doesn’t need to be as cut and dry, or same expectation as that forever. And that’s also why I’m not making it a mandatory separate incall rate because: sometimes hosting may be more convenient for me than an outcall depending on the day or location. 

Edited September 21, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[DWnyc]

Invoking competition isn’t a fear tactic - it’s a reality unless the market is controlled.

In the past you’ve cited online hookup sites like Grindr as a competitive threat. If that is preferable to some given price, despite the time it takes, risk of cancelation / ghosting etc perhaps think about whether increasing that price gap helps or not. 

Again, do what you want, and the results should guide you on whether to maintain that change or not 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

21 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Invoking competition isn’t a fear tactic - it’s a reality unless the market is controlled.

In the past you’ve cited online hookup sites like Grindr as a competitive threat. If that is preferable to some given price, despite the time it takes, risk of cancelation / ghosting etc perhaps think about whether increasing that price gap helps or not. 

Again, do what you want, and the results should guide you on whether to maintain that change or not 

When I mention those apps: that’s not a direct competition against me. That’s more of bigger factor with the sex work industry as a whole. RentMen is Grindrs competitor. Not me. And really it’s not even competition, it’s just one platform has capitalized off the disenfranchisement, of the failure to fully Decrim sex work. So while Grindr basically mirrors Uber and Lyfts layout of location based EARNING MONEY: they have essentially pimped out every user of the platform by: earning money themselves, yet enticing users to pay for a premium membership, while prostituting them out for free, essentially. 

Most people fail to see the stupidity of it all but: most are complacent with that concept, so it continues. And I’m complicit as well for using the app too, but: I’m not giving it up to 4-5 guys a day. I probably meet someone from it once every 1-2 months, and I try to establish more than just a hookup, since I don’t have the opportunity to do a lot of socializing in the common way (school/work/living in a building with lots of singles)

But at the end of the day: I know what I have to offer. And I know when I host I’m putting in the effort and accommodations that will make it worth the extra I may ask. It’s not just simply a greed tactic. I know I lose money hosting, and I know my hosting effort is above and beyond. So, I may feel justified to add it to the price as needed. 

Edited September 22, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[dbar123]

Sounds like you should just shift to an “outcall only” policy and shift onus on the client

[Simon Suraci]

Here's how I operate. I avoid a lot of this trouble by being smart about where, when, and how much I travel.

1) Identify the right travel cities for my goals.

    A. Cities I've had success in before. Lots of repeats and contacts, etc.

    B. Cities I have researched and have reason to believe I will be successful.

    C. Cities I want to see for fun on my own dime, but make myself available for work.

    D. Scout new cities I have less intel on and be willing to risk some/all of the accommodations costs.

    E. Plan cities on a route to/from other destinations when on tour.

    F. Limit or avoid listing "nearby travel" cities. If I spend less time driving around, I can work more.

2) I don't charge incall fees.

    A. In fact, depending on the services, I charge more for outcalls because it takes more time to fulfill.

    B. Outcalls mean fewer clients I can see in a given day. I eat the cost of hosting in favor of more clients.

    C. I book lower cost AirBnBs wherever possible. These are often the same or less than hotels.

    D. I intentionally book some slightly higher cost AirBnBs when I know the place is going to attract clients.

    E. Location matters. Clients want safe, nice neighborhoods and convenient parking. Nice shower is a plus.

    F. Be smart about what and where I book. The right place makes clients more eager to book me for incalls.

    G. Clients willing to travel to me tend to be better overall. Fewer high maintenance types. Just a trend.

    H. When a client flakes, it's much faster and easier to fill their spot if I mostly stay at the incall location.

    I. Maintain waitlists. More clients inquire than I can accommodate. When someone flakes, I fill their spot.

    J. On tour, I average 6 clients a day. That's more than enough to cover accommodation costs.

    K. Keep in mind: most appointments are for massage. Any given week, I average 0-2 escort clients per day.

    L. I have to sleep somewhere when touring. Might as well be baked into this other cost of doing business.

3) Mostly stay in my home city.

    A. Select an appropriate home city. Many factors go into this. Pick the right one for you.

    B. If you can't move to the home city you select right away, save up, do odd jobs, whatever it takes to move.

    C. Select a large home city with good connectivity. Lots of travelers and decent size local client pool.

    D. Alternate strategy: select a medium to smaller city and corner the market because you have less competition.

    E. Develop long term regular client relationships with people who live in, or frequently visit your home city.

    F. Don't travel too frequently or for too long at a stretch; home city clients perceive you as chronically unavailable.

    G. Avoid travel costs by...not traveling! (as much, anyway)

[Jarrod_Uncut]

15 hours ago, dbar123 said:

Sounds like you should just shift to an “outcall only” policy and shift onus on the client

Sounds easy, but not practical. Some clients simply can’t host and won’t get a hotel. I’m not mad at them. Instead, I am willing to host: I have just about every major hotel chain app and loyalty on my phone.
 

I actually do enjoy browsing hotels, reading reviews and looking at pictures of the room lol. I much prefer even to book the hotel myself and have a choice…but that’s all part of “administrative” task that I should get extra for. Enjoy though I enjoy doing it, doesn’t necessarily mean I can keep it at the same price indefinitely.

I can be the escort AND the travel agent, for a slightly extra 💵 😆 
 

9 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

Here's how I operate. I avoid a lot of this trouble by being smart about where, when, and how much I travel.

1) Identify the right travel cities for my goals.

    A. Cities I've had success in before. Lots of repeats and contacts, etc.

    B. Cities I have researched and have reason to believe I will be successful.

    C. Cities I want to see for fun on my own dime, but make myself available for work.

    D. Scout new cities I have less intel on and be willing to risk some/all of the accommodations costs.

    E. Plan cities on a route to/from other destinations when on tour.

    F. Limit or avoid listing "nearby travel" cities. If I spend less time driving around, I can work more.

2) I don't charge incall fees.

    A. In fact, depending on the services, I charge more for outcalls because it takes more time to fulfill.

    B. Outcalls mean fewer clients I can see in a given day. I eat the cost of hosting in favor of more clients.

    C. I book lower cost AirBnBs wherever possible. These are often the same or less than hotels.

    D. I intentionally book some slightly higher cost AirBnBs when I know the place is going to attract clients.

    E. Location matters. Clients want safe, nice neighborhoods and convenient parking. Nice shower is a plus.

    F. Be smart about what and where I book. The right place makes clients more eager to book me for incalls.

    G. Clients willing to travel to me tend to be better overall. Fewer high maintenance types. Just a trend.

    H. When a client flakes, it's much faster and easier to fill their spot if I mostly stay at the incall location.

    I. Maintain waitlists. More clients inquire than I can accommodate. When someone flakes, I fill their spot.

    J. On tour, I average 6 clients a day. That's more than enough to cover accommodation costs.

    K. Keep in mind: most appointments are for massage. Any given week, I average 0-2 escort clients per day.

    L. I have to sleep somewhere when touring. Might as well be baked into this other cost of doing business.

3) Mostly stay in my home city.

    A. Select an appropriate home city. Many factors go into this. Pick the right one for you.

    B. If you can't move to the home city you select right away, save up, do odd jobs, whatever it takes to move.

    C. Select a large home city with good connectivity. Lots of travelers and decent size local client pool.

    D. Alternate strategy: select a medium to smaller city and corner the market because you have less competition.

    E. Develop long term regular client relationships with people who live in, or frequently visit your home city.

    F. Don't travel too frequently or for too long at a stretch; home city clients perceive you as chronically unavailable.

    G. Avoid travel costs by...not traveling! (as much, anyway)

I appreciate your expertise!

However, I can’t particularly say your way of working is going to be practical for me or everyone. Right off the bat for one: 6 clients is far too much than I would care to do in a day. I’d be physically and mentally exhausted. But that’s just me. 3 to 4 is my absolute max, and that only happens like once or twice a year. 1 to 2 is usually my preference. And if I have two in the same day, I’m likely taking the next day off. 

 

Now when it comes to traveling: I could write a novel on that. I agree with some things you mentioned, but strategy doesn’t always guarantee success when a curve ball is thrown in. I experienced that recently going to Washington DC couple weeks ago. I arrived somewhat short notice, and even though I had accommodations squared away for the first 3 days, after that I was on my own. And I wasn’t fully prepared that I wasn’t going to get the number calls I imagined. The only serious inquiries I got, were from returning guys I’ve met before (one on the forum, thankyou 😉 

But I was dismayed that I didn’t secure any new clients on my first trip to Washington DC since 2019. One guy I thought I was going to meet: but he wouldn’t confirm or verify as requested, and I was supposed to go to some hotel in downtown D.C. He basically wouldn’t send a deposit nor wouldn’t let me call up to verify he was in the room. Not doing it. Then, I was blowing way more money than I bargained for (inflation is even more apparent in already expensive cities like DC: $20 cover, $15 drinks, $25 sandwiches, $4 gas that runs out in a day because there’s 50 million red lights all over the city every 10 feet, parking insane 🤦🏾‍♂️ : they charge like everybody is working for the government, not everybody can afford it lol), and then ended up with an unexpected medical emergency where I couldn’t meet anyone for a day.

so that kinda washed out the: 

“A. Cities I've had success in before. Lots of repeats and contacts, etc.

 B. Cities I have researched and have reason to believe I will be successful.

C. Cities I want to see for fun on my own dime, but make myself available for work.”

Because all that was D.C., until it wasn’t. And it’s not the first time DC has tanked for me. It’s an off and on city. Which can often times make it hard to choose a home base. Do I want to move to a seemingly busy home base with lots of competition but variable dry spells, or a smaller city with little or no competition: but where advertising platforms might not be able to reach enough clients?

Now on the flip side regarding not traveling, or advertising nearby cities and staying in one location: I have to disagree. Sorry lol. Not everyone is fortunate to be in a consistent area. I for one would be bankrupt if I stayed in my home market and never toured. Sometimes, you just can’t reach who you need to reach staying in the same market, advertising to death. 
 

In fact: I often times find when I go out of town for a couple weeks/months, I return to an extra set of new clients. Almost like, a new meat on the block type of interest. Even though I may have advertised there for months and got nothing. I also keep nearby travel cities up because, I notice in some cities: All the guys post up in the same big city and nobody is standing out. I have actually skipped those big areas and posted in nearby cities and picked up clients that I may not have reached where everybody else is advertised. 

I’ve also worked Seattle last year: that was also a city that threw a few curve balls, and it was around that time which made me revert back to my deposit protocol, even though I had loosened it some. Because too many of these guys are liars and bullshitters. I had booked an entire 2 bedroom home Airbnb for two days, for me and a relative. The first day was going to be for hanging out, the second for clients which I had the whole place to myself. However, I was flexible. 
 

Well, I had 2 no shows. And the 2nd day I reserved for clients: NOBODY SHOWED UP. It essentially detracted from the whole thing. I was $400 deep. Then, the next day to add insult to injury, a 3rd client who I allowed to book me without a deposit cancelled last minute, and then 2 additional clients also fell thru. All within 3 days. Fortunately I was able to bounce back over the next couple days, but the loss of earnings wasn’t something I was able to just brush off and “fill with other clients”.

You’re coming from a point of view of low impact, but cancelled/no show bookings don’t affect everyone equally. Not all of us have the ability to book multiple clients a day, and also not everyone’s price or looks attracts the same number of clients. Not that it’s a low number, but a different number. 
 

I also prefer to work with clients who are moreso willing to screen. I used to just let any and everybody come thru the door, but then it would be those types who would later play games, give the run around, not be reliable. And ultimately be a headache and waste time. It’s like people say: “You make it so difficult by asking for a deposit 😭 “

Well, the last 500,000 years I didn’t ask for a deposit: people lied, and didn’t show up. And I can’t be bothered with the stress of unreliable clients when I’m going the extra mile. So, this is where I’m at now 🤷🏾‍♂️ 

 

I think ultimately though, once I switch back to a full time incall location, things may be a bit different. But I had that before. And people still failed to show at times. I wasn’t asking deposits. I was charging as low as $150-200, and people were still being dicks and assholes. I used to have Google voice, and every so often I reference a number and see it pop up from years ago: if they’re asshole now, they were probably an asshole back in 2012 too lol. I came across one message, the guy canceled on me just because I said it would be an extra $60 for half hour. Then had the audacity to tell me: “let it go” when I tried to explain why it would be that amount. Funnily enough: we met 6 YEARS LATER, and had a great time. But then we never got around to #2 because he started being an asshole again 🤦🏾‍♂️ 

So I mean your suggestions are reasonable: but it doesn’t necessarily take into account all the variables. I think if it works in your favor, great. But not everybody can adopt all the same strategies.

And for me: unfortunately not much you said really gives me a reason to not start considering adding extra for incalls 🤷🏾‍♂️ 

Edited September 23, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[jeezifonly]

[Simon Suraci]

27 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I appreciate your expertise!

Glad to share. Agreed, these points won’t be the right choices for everyone. There are many ways to work and be successful. Different strokes! If your travel model is turning enough of a profit, more power to you.

Good to hear you respect your own limits. I know for me I have to stop after 6 clients because service quality goes down after that point and I need to rest for the night. I have stamina though, so I make the most of my time when I travel.

It’s expensive to travel. Not only are you defraying travel costs like transportation, food, and lodging, you’re also paying all your normal monthly bills like rent, utilities, car payment, various insurances, mortgage, etc. on top of those. If I couldn’t consistently do so much volume on the road, it frankly wouldn’t be worthwhile for me to travel. Taking 0-2 clients a day for weeks at a time while taking break days every few days would leave me utterly broke. If it works for you, great.

I acknowledge my everyday costs in California are pretty high already without travel, so that’s one of my major concerns when I consider a road trip, how much I need to earn, and whether it makes business sense.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

39 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

Glad to share. Agreed, these points won’t be the right choices for everyone. There are many ways to work and be successful. Different strokes! If your travel model is turning enough of a profit, more power to you.

Good to hear you respect your own limits. I know for me I have to stop after 6 clients because service quality goes down after that point and I need to rest for the night. I have stamina though, so I make the most of my time when I travel.

It’s expensive to travel. Not only are you defraying travel costs like transportation, food, and lodging, you’re also paying all your normal monthly bills like rent, utilities, car payment, various insurances, mortgage, etc. on top of those. If I couldn’t consistently do so much volume on the road, it frankly wouldn’t be worthwhile for me to travel. Taking 0-2 clients a day for weeks at a time while taking break days every few days would leave me utterly broke. If it works for you, great.

I acknowledge my everyday costs in California are pretty high already without travel, so that’s one of my major concerns when I consider a road trip, how much I need to earn, and whether it makes business sense.

 

Well that’s the thing: I try to keep my expenses within a doable range, within expectation of what I can physically do. 

And yah SoCal is expensive not only to live, but travel around. A road trip around/out of California is different than a road trip in the “heartland”. I can generally get to the next major city for $50-$100 in 4-5 hours. It can take that long just to get out of Los Angeles/San Francisco.

At the same time, the heartland isn’t necessarily the most open minded place to be. And business here tends to dry up or be filled with flaky inquiries who are a pain in the ass to schedule (repeated last minute requests to host, ghosts, and guys who have failed to complete a booking on multiple contacts 🤦🏾‍♂️ ). 
 

For example: near St. Louis recently there was a big commotion about a sex book in a public library that featured a pretty recognizable porn actor lol. It goes to show the level of conservatism and intolerance for sexuality, that tends to exist in these parts:

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[Jarrod_Uncut]

48 minutes ago, jeezifonly said:

[DWnyc]

On 9/22/2023 at 3:28 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

And really it’s not even competition, it’s just one platform has capitalized off the disenfranchisement, of the failure to fully Decrim sex work. So while Grindr basically mirrors Uber and Lyfts layout of location based EARNING MONEY: they have essentially pimped out every user of the platform by: earning money themselves, yet enticing users to pay for a premium membership, while prostituting them out for free, essentially. 

 

 

Interesting comparisons but I disagree.

The online hookup apps democratize rather than disenfranchise - means someone in the middle of nowhere can connect with others (nearby or not) without having to go to far / expensive locations.

Decriminalizing the hobby will be great in many ways but I think it will actually put pressure in rates downwards. That may increase likelihood of clients seeking providers but it will also reduce margins for providers.

 

 

[Simon Suraci]

6 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Decriminalizing the hobby will be great in many ways but I think it will actually put pressure in rates downwards. That may increase likelihood of clients seeking providers but it will also reduce margins for providers.

I agree. Decriminalizing the biz will make it safer and more equitable for everyone. In the short term, rates would almost certainly go down as more and more people enter the business. There would also be more clients over time to meet some of that increasing supply as it becomes more acceptable, accessible, safer, and more affordable to hire. I imagine a glut of initial supply and a slight increase in demand and steady increase in demand over time.

Not everyone is cut out to be a good SW. Supply and demand curves I think would fall into equilibrium over time as people try this work and discover it’s actually pretty difficult in many ways.

Even just being able to list our rates freely and openly would make rates more competitive. Some of the mystery around “ask me” would go down since everyone knows the going rates and it’s easier to compare. You wouldn’t have to be an experienced client to know when someone is charging a lot more than the market supports. That puts pressure on rates downward overall.

This is all just a fantasy thought exercise, however. The USA is nowhere near the political and moral place it needs to be to make such a progressive change at the federal level.