Age shaving? How much is too much and what's acceptable?

[Simon Suraci]

I don’t lie about my age. That way clients know exactly what to expect both in terms of maturity, life experience, mindset, and looks. A gen Z mind is pretty different from an older millennial one. I think I look my age, and have no fear or delusions about looking older or clinging to youth as I get older. Aging gracefully is hot. I want to fit the fantasy that a client hires me to fulfill, at whatever age I am when they hire me.

When I state everything accurately and my pics are recent, there’s no problem. The people who want me find me and love my service. I can’t be all things to all people so I’m unapologetically myself. The clients who like me for me hire me and really enjoy the experience. No surprises, no problems.

When clients comment on my age, they say I look at least a few years younger than my chronological age. Better a pleasant surprise than a sore disappointment. Invariably clients say I look better in person than my photos. They also consistently say I have good energy. That’s hard to glean from a photo, especially from profiles with only frowns and grimaces (or face cut off). You can have great energy at any age, and that’s arguably as important if not more so than looking young.

[marylander1940]

Should he advertise as a 60 years old or shave his age to 45? 

[NJF]

1 hour ago, marylander1940 said:

Should he advertise as a 60 years old or shave his age to 45? 

If he still looks like this, I would go with 40 😂 

[DWnyc]

On 9/12/2023 at 2:05 PM, Archangel said:

I hate those interactions because I won’t lie. If you want a pleasantry, don’t ask a question.

Easier said than done. In order to survive in my job let alone maintain working relationships in my personal life there is an element of having to be perennially optimistic and concise when my unguarded self would prefer to curse, cry, or go off on a monologue about my mood. 

Most cultures in the world have standard greetings that are statements rather than questions. “Peace unto you” and the like. In America we ask “How are you doing?” and yet we don’t really have time or interest to stick around for a genuine answer. 

[Archangel]

6 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Easier said than done. In order to survive in my job let alone maintain working relationships in my personal life there is an element of having to be perennially optimistic and concise when my unguarded self would prefer to curse, cry, or go off on a monologue about my mood

I go for bombastic congeniality to undo the expectation of faked Victorian moralitude. No one expects anything from me but the craziesr-within-the-reasonable.

[DWnyc]

6 hours ago, Archangel said:

I go for bombastic congeniality to undo the expectation of faked Victorian moralitude. No one expects anything from me but the craziesr-within-the-reasonable.

But maybe on our respective RM profiles, if we had them, my … congeniality … would be bigger than yours 😊

[DWnyc]

18 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Should he advertise as a 60 years old or shave his age to 45? 

He could outcompete some 39 year olds in my geography 

[maninsoma]

23 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Should he advertise as a 60 years old or shave his age to 45? 

Maybe I just have different vision.  While I find him (and have always found him) very handsome, in no way do I think his face looks like a man in his forties.  If he were going to shave his age, I'd say early to mid 50s would be reasonable.

[marylander1940]

5 hours ago, DWnyc said:

He could outcompete some 39 year olds in my geography 

 

1 hour ago, maninsoma said:

Maybe I just have different vision.  While I find him (and have always found him) very handsome, in no way do I think his face looks like a man in his forties.  If he were going to shave his age, I'd say early to mid 50s would be reasonable.

Let's agree he's an example of a DILF!

Edited September 15, 2023 by marylander1940

[Archangel]

It flummoxes me that we have some here who are asking, effectively, “how low can he go” to pull off the lie, rather than saying “he shouldn’t lie at all.”

[Archangel]

11 hours ago, DWnyc said:

But maybe on our respective RM profiles, if we had them, my … congeniality … would be bigger than yours 😊

Likely. Actually, most definitely. I’m a mere 8 on the scale. I’m sure you’re sporting a 9, maybe 9.5! 😂 

[Archangel]

On 9/14/2023 at 4:02 PM, DWnyc said:

Easier said than done. In order to survive in my job let alone maintain working relationships in my personal life there is an element of having to be perennially optimistic and concise when my unguarded self would prefer to curse, cry, or go off on a monologue about my mood. 

Most cultures in the world have standard greetings that are statements rather than questions. “Peace unto you” and the like. In America we ask “How are you doing?” and yet we don’t really have time or interest to stick around for a genuine answer. 

I also appreciate in a lot of other cultures from America, and Great Britain to a lesser degree, the question “how are you” is expecting an answer, with details. It’s an actual question. I have adopted that approach in my life. If I don’t care or don’t want to listen to a wellbeing account, I don’t ask. 

[DWnyc]

1 hour ago, Archangel said:

I also appreciate in a lot of other cultures from America, and Great Britain to a lesser degree, the question “how are you” is expecting an answer, with details. It’s an actual question. I have adopted that approach in my life. If I don’t care or don’t want to listen to a wellbeing account, I don’t ask. 

Even when the RM default is often “ask me” …? 😊

[Archangel]

@DWnyc, now you’re just being fresh!

[marylander1940]

On 9/10/2023 at 3:42 PM, TorontoDrew said:

I don't care about age.  I'm looking for a guy in great shape with good reviews (and legal of course).

I have hired one provider who lists his age as late 20s when in fact he was in his early 20s.  He realized some clients l99k for someone with a bit more experience.  I expect he'll be in his 20s for another dozen or so years.

Good point, some clients would prefer someone who's young but has some experience and who wants to escort and has been doing it for some time. 

Edited September 16, 2023 by marylander1940
misspelling

[DWnyc]

On 9/14/2023 at 5:02 AM, Simon Suraci said:

I don’t lie about my age. That way clients know exactly what to expect both in terms of maturity, life experience, mindset, and looks. A gen Z mind is pretty different from an older millennial one. I think I look my age, and have no fear or delusions about looking older or clinging to youth as I get older. Aging gracefully is hot. I want to fit the fantasy that a client hires me to fulfill, at whatever age I am when they hire me.

When I state everything accurately and my pics are recent, there’s no problem. The people who want me find me and love my service. I can’t be all things to all people so I’m unapologetically myself. The clients who like me for me hire me and really enjoy the experience. No surprises, no problems.

When clients comment on my age, they say I look at least a few years younger than my chronological age. Better a pleasant surprise than a sore disappointment. Invariably clients say I look better in person than my photos. They also consistently say I have good energy. That’s hard to glean from a photo, especially from profiles with only frowns and grimaces (or face cut off). You can have great energy at any age, and that’s arguably as important if not more so than looking young.

Good for you if you have a sustainable business model relative to your goals with that approach. 

And I like that you take a long term (eg repeat client focused) approach on this issue.

Many providers think (but likely haven’t tested) that lying / claiming to be much younger is better for business. I suspect many clients will continue engage for a session once they meet in person - not necessarily walk out or verbally raise the issue - but not rebook. 

 

[maninsoma]

7 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Good for you if you have a sustainable business model relative to your goals with that approach. 

And I like that you take a long term (eg repeat client focused) approach on this issue.

Many providers think (but likely haven’t tested) that lying / claiming to be much younger is better for business. I suspect many clients will continue engage for a session once they meet in person - not necessarily walk out or verbally raise the issue - but not rebook. 

 

That's one of the big problems with providers misrepresenting themselves.  I will likely not cancel a session in the moment unless the misrepresentation is huge (I have had to walk away upon guys opening their doors when I was expecting a 30ish jock and instead an overweight 50ish guy presents himself), but won't repeat with a guy when my initial reaction is one of disappointment that he doesn't match his description/photos.  Kudos to Simon and other escorts who understand that meeting clients' expectations and then providing a good experience is a far better way to run a business than to try to manipulate the market with false advertising.  I don't think I ever had a second appointment with someone who wasn't what I expected when we first met.

[Archangel]

There are several issues here…

Some providers fudge their ages.

Others fudge their ages to stay competitive.

Some clients accept fudged ages, a so-called “necessary evil.”

Other clients accept fudged ages because “it’s how it is.”

Repeat cycle from the beginning.

If it’s about look’s that a guy is hiring, then post pictures. Age shouldn’t matter. If it’s about maturity (either direction), a fudged age will likely put off a  client who feels duped. A client looking for a particular age isn’t going to like getting something different from that…

So I come around again that the only real way to deal with issue is to jam a stake in the wheelspokes of dishonesty. I just don’t get why anyone would defend that when it’s a self-perpetuating cycle that serves no real purpose but to keep itself going.

[TopBunk]

I'd rather guys not share their age than shave it. I feel like the list of things to lie about is too long...

[Guest]

On 9/16/2023 at 10:48 PM, DWnyc said:

...I suspect many clients will continue engage for a session once they meet in person - not necessarily walk out or verbally raise the issue - but not rebook. 

 

Well, I've turned away those for whom it was obvious they were lying, and the photos were out of date. As @BenjaminNicholas said, it's difficult to be certain unless someone's lied a good decade. They could have just aged badly. I'm wondering if he'll still advertise as 38 or 39 when he turns 50, in the not-too-distant future... 😉

[Archangel]

13 hours ago, TopBunk said:

I'd rather guys not share their age than shave it. I feel like the list of things to lie about is too long...

Age: Ask me! 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

22 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

I'm wondering if he'll still advertise as 38 or 39 when he turns 50, in the not-too-distant future... 😉

Just to clarify...  You're talking about me or someone else?

[DWnyc]

2 hours ago, Archangel said:

Age: Ask me! 

Future posts on this forum: “potential clients who never have intention of hiring waste my time asking me all these stupid questions …” 😊

[TorontoDrew]

On 9/18/2023 at 5:10 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

Just to clarify...  You're talking about me or someone else?

As long as you look like you do I don't care how old you are. 😉

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

6 minutes ago, TorontoDrew said:

As long as you look like you do I don't care how old you are. 😉

Well, that's sorta the key thing, isn't it?   

I take very good care of myself.  The (incorrect) speculation on my age has always been entertaining.

I've mentioned the actual number on my blog, as well as on other social media platforms.  It's a badly kept secret.