*“Negative On Prep” Liars.

[+ ApexNomad]

1 hour ago, AtlTopGuy said:

Will all clients on this site that have never once ever lied on any profile that they posted on (be it about age, height, weight, hair color, cock length, income level, employment status, relationship status, position preference, health status, eye color, shoe size, intent to actually meet/hire for real, etc.) please stand up and be counted.....

 

Bueller.....Bueller....Bueller

[Archangel]

4 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

While it is true what you say, when countless ads are false with so many things like the escorts age and size, just to name two items, why would you expect an escort to be honest about his health status?

I can expect it. I should also expect lying so I protect myself too. 

[+ SirBillybob]

On 6/18/2025 at 12:05 PM, coriolis888 said:

While it is true what you say, when countless ads are false with so many things like the escorts age and size, just to name two items, why would you expect an escort to be honest about his health status?

Good point. Yet why would one expect a propensity for health status distortion to be different according to commercial sex worker status compared to non-escort categories of sexual partners? Any type of endgame influences transparency in a similar fashion. 

Edited August 9 by SirBillybob

[+ SirBillybob]

On 8/2/2023 at 3:05 PM, coriolis888 said:

I am not specifically exposing anyone. 

However, on rentmen during this year, one particular provider was "rentmen of the day" twice.  

That same escort has been advertising for many years on rentmen.  Two years ago, his ad used to state that he was HIV +.  

Now, his ad does not say anything about his HIV + status. 

I believe some States in the U.S. require sex workers (and certain others) to disclose their HIV-positive status.  There is a criminal penalty in those states for failure to disclose prior to a sex act with another person.   

I do not know if the person is using PREP which would somewhat expiate for his failure to be truthfully disclosed. 

I also do not know if the person verbally tells a potential client of his HIV status prior to any meeting. 

It was certainly shocking for me to see the "rentmen of the year" (twice for this same provider) omit his previously disclosed HIV status.   

The bottom line is do not believe everything that is written (or not written) in a provider's advertisement.  

 

Yet why would one emphasize top tier platform recognition in relation to suppositions about health status? There is no categorical tracking of health status accuracy that would contribute to a grade of worthiness … or lost qualification points … for such an honorific.

I’m not sure what the criteria are for this pageant-grade practice but I think it’s shallow enough that any sign of shifting sands regarding what dropdown menu health status item is ticked off across time does not figure prominently. 

Edited August 9 by SirBillybob

[Constantine]

It would be great if rentmen required escorts to periodically upload test results with their name in order to access the option of putting negative on prep on their profiles. There's already an option for escorts to verify their IDs with rentmen so this isn't that much of an extra leap.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

1 hour ago, Constantine said:

It would be great if rentmen required escorts to periodically upload test results with their name in order to access the option of putting negative on prep on their profiles. There's already an option for escorts to verify their IDs with rentmen so this isn't that much of an extra leap.

And while they're at it, RentMen should require any escort who advertises as "Safe Only" to mail in samples of used condoms to prove the escort is using condoms on every encounter! 

(I am joking 😄, as I hope others are too)

[NJF]

5 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

And while they're at it, RentMen should require any escort who advertises as "Safe Only" to mail in samples of used condoms to prove the escort is using condoms on every encounter! 

(I am joking 😄, as I hope others are too)

Are the crowds here so humorless that every joke has to be noted with an explicit disclaimer? 

[Constantine]

12 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

And while they're at it, RentMen should require any escort who advertises as "Safe Only" to mail in samples of used condoms to prove the escort is using condoms on every encounter! 

(I am joking 😄, as I hope others are too)

It's only a matter of time before there's a lawsuit against RM from a client who got infected despite a neg on prep listing. Frankly I am surprised that hasn't happened yet. 

[coriolis888]

On 6/18/2025 at 9:05 AM, coriolis888 said:

 

My final contribution to this matter is to copy what I just found on Google with respect to legal various states having different criminal laws for those who fail to disclose their HIV status:

It can be illegal and result in felony charges in many US states for an HIV-positive person to solicit sex as a prostitute and claim they are HIV-negative, even if no transmission occurs. This is because some states have laws that criminalize HIV non-disclosure, especially in the context of sex work. 

 

Elaboration:

• HIV Criminalization: 

  Many states have laws that criminalize the transmission or exposure of HIV, or the failure to disclose one's HIV-positive status to a sexual partner. 

   
• Felony Charges: 

  In some jurisdictions, engaging in sex work while HIV-positive can elevate a prostitution charge to a felony, regardless of whether HIV is transmitted. 

   
• Intent to Deceive: 

  Claiming to be HIV-negative while soliciting sex, even if not explicitly intending to transmit the virus, can be seen as an attempt to deceive and defraud, which can be a separate charge. 

   
• No Intent Element: 

  Some felony solicitation statutes do not require any intent to transmit HIV or any activity that could transmit the virus. 

   
• Aggravated Prostitution: 

  Some states have specific "aggravated prostitution" laws that criminalize sex work by someone who knows they are HIV-positive. 

   
• Potential for Severe Penalties: 

  Depending on the jurisdiction, these charges can result in significant prison sentences, even if no transmission occurred. 

   
• Varying Laws: 

  It is important to note that laws regarding HIV non-disclosure and its criminalization vary significantly by state. 

Edited August 10 by coriolis888

[marylander1940]

4 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

My final contribution to this matter is to copy what I just found on Google with respect to legal various states having different criminal laws for those who fail to disclose their HIV status:

It can be illegal and result in felony charges in many US states for an HIV-positive person to solicit sex as a prostitute and claim they are HIV-negative, even if no transmission occurs. This is because some states have laws that criminalize HIV non-disclosure, especially in the context of sex work. 

 

Elaboration:

• HIV Criminalization: 

  Many states have laws that criminalize the transmission or exposure of HIV, or the failure to disclose one's HIV-positive status to a sexual partner. 

   
• Felony Charges: 

  In some jurisdictions, engaging in sex work while HIV-positive can elevate a prostitution charge to a felony, regardless of whether HIV is transmitted. 

   
• Intent to Deceive: 

  Claiming to be HIV-negative while soliciting sex, even if not explicitly intending to transmit the virus, can be seen as an attempt to deceive and defraud, which can be a separate charge. 

   
• No Intent Element: 

  Some felony solicitation statutes do not require any intent to transmit HIV or any activity that could transmit the virus. 

   
• Aggravated Prostitution: 

  Some states have specific "aggravated prostitution" laws that criminalize sex work by someone who knows they are HIV-positive. 

   
• Potential for Severe Penalties: 

  Depending on the jurisdiction, these charges can result in significant prison sentences, even if no transmission occurred. 

   
• Varying Laws: 

  It is important to note that laws regarding HIV non-disclosure and its criminalization vary significantly by state. 

Thanks for the information!

I wonder if nowadays when there's a pill and an injection to prevent HIV those laws might be considered obsolete especially among gay men. 

[+ SirBillybob]

21 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

And while they're at it, RentMen should require any escort who advertises as "Safe Only" to mail in samples of used condoms to prove the escort is using condoms on every encounter! 

(I am joking 😄, as I hope others are too)

Edited August 10 by SirBillybob

[+ SirBillybob]

10 hours ago, Constantine said:

It's only a matter of time before there's a lawsuit against RM from a client who got infected despite a neg on prep listing. Frankly I am surprised that hasn't happened yet. 

I think this is an important topic and you raise an interesting point about criminalization and culpability, as well as highlight the range of perspectives about it. However …

Read their guidelines and implicit disclaimer. First of all, there is no imperative for a third party ad site to vet advertisers’ possible transmissible disease status. The clearly stated MO behind the dropdown menu is to convey that health-related communication is encouraged and is hoped to be deemed normative. To think that such messaging leaves an entity open to litigation is an idea that slides a bit up the scale of paradoxical absurdity.

The antithesis of their approach is don’t talk don’t tell. If the field is empty or the ticked choice is to not answer or is unknown the fact that it's clearly optionally a completable menu facilitates an inquiry without the challenge of having to legitimize opening up a conversation. Such communication is not contractually obligatory on the part of the third party. They are setting up one aspect of health protection strategy.

The pharmacy or ASO is not responsible or liable for the degree to which condom purchase or distribution leads to actual usage. 

Edited August 10 by SirBillybob

[+ SirBillybob]

1 hour ago, marylander1940 said:

Thanks for the information!

I wonder if nowadays when there's a pill and an injection to prevent HIV those laws might be considered obsolete especially among gay men. 

This is so complex because while you reference PrEP there is also the consideration of TasP, U=U, type of sex, condom use, prevention mix’n’match, diagnostic latency, etc.

There are now so many variables that come into play regarding the question of the degree to which known HIV poz status non-disclosure truly vitiates consent, interpretation and variability among jurisdictions can surely be expected as legal implications catch up with HIV prevention and management evolution. 

In many cases the risk of cracking open one’s skull due to slipping on a carelessly left banana peel on the multi-level brothel stairs is greater than acquiring infection from the CSW.

Edited August 10 by SirBillybob

[+ PhileasFogg]

On 6/18/2025 at 2:23 PM, BrickBuilder said:

Will all clients on this site that have never once ever lied on any profile that they posted on (be it about age, height, weight, hair color, cock length, income level, employment status, relationship status, position preference, health status, eye color, shoe size, intent to actually meet/hire for real, etc.) please stand up and be counted.....

 

Bueller.....Bueller....Bueller

🙋🏻

me…no need to lie.  The truth always becomes obvious if you do.  Just avoid the crap and tell the truth.  Life’s easier that way 

[coriolis888]

On 8/10/2025 at 4:14 AM, marylander1940 said:

Thanks for the information!

I wonder if nowadays, when there's a pill and an injection to prevent HIV those laws might be considered obsolete, especially among gay men. 

Great idea, in theory.  

However, those laws remain in place. 

People tend to dislike being tied to a schedule, especially when they must remember to take medicine over time.  

Even though they need the medication to stay negative, many people forget or just stop caring after a while and miss their doses of the medication and become infectious.  

[coriolis888]

On 8/2/2023 at 10:23 PM, Guest said:

By definition, if someone is HIV-positive, he's not on PrEP. In fact, physicians must test people before prescribing PrEP to make sure they're negative. Prescribing PrEP to someone who's actually HIV-positive can seriously put that patient at risk. 

Thank you for the clarification.

[coriolis888]

On 8/9/2025 at 7:56 PM, Constantine said:

It's only a matter of time before there's a lawsuit against RM from a client who got infected despite a neg on prep listing. Frankly, I am surprised that hasn't happened yet. 

Rentmen is based in Germany.  It would be difficult and expensive to go after them with a lawsuit.  It would be easier for a European to file against them if the European answered one of rentmen's advertisements.

Your idea of pursuing Rentmen legally is interesting.  Many of the Rentmen ads are greatly misleading in many facets. 

Rentmen serves a good purpose for many in our community.  Thus, I would not like to see the company face legal problems or go out of business.    

[Becket]

16 minutes ago, coriolis888 said:

Rentmen is based in Germany.  It would be difficult and expensive to go after them with a lawsuit.  It would be easier for a European to file against them if the European answered one of rentmen's advertisements.

Your idea of pursuing Rentmen legally is interesting.  Many of the Rentmen ads are greatly misleading in many facets. 

Rentmen serves a good purpose for many in our community.  Thus, I would not like to see the company face legal problems or go out of business.    

very true. We already lost men4rent.com. Now there is really only Rentmen.com. There is something called mint.com, but providers really don't use it very much. Craigslist used to have a dating section but got rid of it, probably to avoid just what we are talking about here. I am grateful for Rentmen.com and would be very disappointed if it went away. Also I confirm what most everyone else has said: YOU are responsible for your own sexual health. Please do not take unnecessary chances. The results could be tragic. 

[+ SirBillybob]

If Rentmen disappeared that would not have one iota of influence on the abundance of worthwhile transactional sexual intimacy with a range of candidates in which I regularly engage. Rentmen to me is a perfect example of context in which what can actually be satisfactorily obtained in other ways contrasts with the importuning of hordes of ad platform labourers seeking payment for time. The modest costs of subscriptions simply yield reinforcement of such a longstanding impression as well as the benefits of being steered towards utilizing one’s time to plan accordingly for alternative hire sources. YMMV and I’m glad it serves a purpose for some. 

BTW, if anybody these days finds himself in need of invoking the law regarding some kind of clinical disease transmission statute he simply had not gone about the transactional sexual hire, it’s screening and in-person behavioural components, correctly. 

Edited December 5 by SirBillybob

[Becket]

On 12/5/2025 at 3:33 AM, SirBillybob said:

If Rentmen disappeared that would not have one iota of influence on the abundance of worthwhile transactional sexual intimacy with a range of candidates in which I regularly engage. Rentmen to me is a perfect example of context in which what can actually be satisfactorily obtained in other ways contrasts with the importuning of hordes of ad platform labourers seeking payment for time. The modest costs of subscriptions simply yield reinforcement of such a longstanding impression as well as the benefits of being steered towards utilizing one’s time to plan accordingly for alternative hire sources. YMMV and I’m glad it serves a purpose for some. 

BTW, if anybody these days finds himself in need of invoking the law regarding some kind of clinical disease transmission statute he simply had not gone about the transactional sexual hire, it’s screening and in-person behavioural components, correctly. 

I like ranch with my word salad.

[Simon Suraci]

Someone sharing strikingly similar views as the OP - and perhaps a couple other members sympathetic to his views on this thread - has been harassing me since 7/1/23, from no less than seventeen different phone numbers. I keep ignoring him and blocking immediately for…literally, years now…but he just keeps getting new numbers and spewing the same bs every few weeks or months. I am so tired of it.

It’s not just me either. I know others in the industry he reaches out to with the same types of messages, some of them repeatedly, but especially me. He’s obsessed. Since I am fairly certain he will text me from yet a new number after I post this, I am going to hopefully stop him from doing so by stating that I intend to follow up by posting all of his new messages here with dates until he stops. 

If he leaves me alone, good riddance. If he doesn’t stop, you will all know about it, with redactions in keeping with the site guidelines.

Here are just a few of his more recent messages. Note the message in yellow highlight referring to my earlier comment on this thread. He clearly is aware of this thread content, so it has to be someone here - if not a registered member, then a viewer. There are a bunch of other messages from 2023, 2024, and 2025, but I won’t bother collecting all of them. You get the gist.

Who has time for this? 

[TorontoTwunk]

54 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

Someone sharing strikingly similar views as the OP - and perhaps a couple other members sympathetic to his views on this thread - has been harassing me since 7/1/23, from no less than seventeen different phone numbers. I keep ignoring him and blocking immediately for…literally, years now…but he just keeps getting new numbers and spewing the same bs every few weeks or months. I am so tired of it.

It’s not just me either. I know others in the industry he reaches out to with the same types of messages, some of them repeatedly, but especially me. He’s obsessed. Since I am fairly certain he will text me from yet a new number after I post this, I am going to hopefully stop him from doing so by stating that I intend to follow up by posting all of his new messages here with dates until he stops. 

If he leaves me alone, good riddance. If he doesn’t stop, you will all know about it, with redactions in keeping with the site guidelines.

Here are just a few of his more recent messages. Note the message in yellow highlight referring to my earlier comment on this thread. He clearly is aware of this thread content, so it has to be someone here - if not a registered member, then a viewer. There are a bunch of other messages from 2023, 2024, and 2025, but I won’t bother collecting all of them. You get the gist.

Who has time for this? 

OMG! This is not OK - do you know who this person is?

I can't believe people have this much time on their hands...ugh trolls!

I hope you're doing alright! This must be exhausting to deal with 😢 

xoxo

tt

[Simon Suraci]

36 minutes ago, TorontoTwink said:

OMG! This is not OK - do you know who this person is?

I can't believe people have this much time on their hands...ugh trolls!

I hope you're doing alright! This must be exhausting to deal with 😢 

xoxo

tt

Thanks TT. I’m alright.

I can’t post information here re: who he is. 

Agree; the lengths some people go to harrass us is truly breathtaking. This is but one small window into a provider’s world. Dealing with people like this is mild compared to others.

[jeezifonly]

STI's are still the primary risk of sex with a stranger. Which do I want - mad spontaneity, or responsibly planning to protect myself and initiating the related conversation?

 

[+ SirBillybob]

12 hours ago, Becket said:

I like ranch with my word salad.

Whatever makes you less bitter about disagreement related to the worth of something.