NYWhore in NYC

[cany10011]

Pics look great  May have to try this cutie. 
https://rent.men/NYWhore

[ChasingGirth]

God his name 🤦‍♂️

[Xavitv]

Should have copyrighted that name years ago. 

[+ keroscenefire]

Listing PNP is a bit of a red flag and his photos also reinforce that to me a bit. Not sure I would go for this one, but YRMV. 

Edited March 22, 2023 by keroscenefire

[Alex93108]

I think it's a given a lot of the providers are into PNP or HnH as it's called in Britain.  If you ever go to London where I tend to do most of my hiring, it's out of control . Somehow most of the guys there tend to keep it together, which comical results sometimes. ( tweaking etc).

If NYWhore reads this ( as some providers do) , please look yourself in the mirror and check into rehab, if you feel its gotten out of hand

Edited March 27, 2023 by jetlow

[+ FrankR]

There is a lot of judgment in this thread. Some men on rentmen interpret PnP as “willing to smoke weed with you” - why assume it means hard drugs?  

[+ keroscenefire]

17 minutes ago, FrankR said:

There is a lot of judgment in this thread. Some men on rentmen interpret PnP as “willing to smoke weed with you” - why assume it means hard drugs?  

I guess that's possible but PNP is pretty common slang for "Party and Play," typically meaning more hardcore drug use than just pot. If you're really just into smoking pot, you put in 420 like my man Jake.

 

I will also say that there's no judgement here. If you're into PNP, then that is your business and feel free to seek that out. But I've personally had bad experiences with escorts who are into PNP, which is why it's a red flag for me.

Edited March 27, 2023 by keroscenefire
Accidentally posted before I was finished.

[DWnyc]

17 hours ago, FrankR said:

There is a lot of judgment in this thread. Some men on rentmen interpret PnP as “willing to smoke weed with you” - why assume it means hard drugs?  

And even if it does … why single out one provider under discussion here while many many others also list it. Use / tolerance is far more widespread than the comments here might suggest (including among providers)

I’m not expressing opinion on the morals or danger of usage here but am surprised whenever the subject comes up how out of sync with prevalence the discussion sometimes becomes. 

[+ keroscenefire]

44 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

And even if it does … why single out one provider under discussion here while many many others also list it. Use / tolerance is far more widespread than the comments here might suggest (including among providers)

Well the profile has only existed for a few weeks and there's not much to go on in there. So to me, the PNP stands out as does a few pics that reinforce that this escort is probably into PNP. 

It may be somewhat common and that's fine. But I just did a search in Denver and less than 20 percent of escorts listed PNP in their profiles. 

So whether you're looking for a PNP escort or not, this particular thread now points that out pretty quickly. I think that is likely useful either way.

[BuffaloKyle]

If it's really him hey props though for being honest. Basically saying I'm a bb bottom slut if that's what you're looking for. I remember Sean Zevran's ad basically said the same thing not too long ago. I just wonder if it's really him or a fake ad.

[+ nycman]

20 hours ago, FrankR said:

Some men on rentmen interpret PnP as “willing to smoke weed with you”

[DWnyc]

I think if someone lists that in their services, preferences or hashtags it’s pretty clear what it means.

No disrespect to anyone who really doesn’t think it’s obvious or doesn’t understand what it is but given prevalence,  I think we’re way past the point of having to feign naivety to maintain “good social standing” on this subject. 

[kyleham]

Just my opinion. To  me PNP is more than smoking pot. Look at sex and circuit party's where many are on G, T, E, Molly etc.

[+ robear]

Right or wrong, to me in this context PNP means meth meth and only meth. Other "party drugs" (of which I admittedly have no first-hand experience) don't provide the quick, intense, sex-enhancing high of methamphetamine. Meth addiction is a major scourge among gay men, and its use is largely tied to sex.  Recovering addicts often say they cannot experience sex sober like it was when they were using, and have to learn all over again how to enjoy sex without the high.  It's hardly surprising to see it featured one way or another among providers and on the hookup apps.

That is NOT to assume that any provider advertising PNP is an addict or otherwise deeply involved with the drug. Doubtless there are clients who wish to use during sessions and want a provider who is cool with that, but it does indicate that the conversation is open to whether and how meth might factor into any encounter.

For me, it's absolutely a big old red flag.

Edited March 30, 2023 by robear

[DWnyc]

I have been asked pretty much every time with a new provider if I was interested in that. Not all would have listed it. 

To reiterate, it’s a little redundant to express horror or announce how it’s a criteria to rule out a provider (who may be a user himself even if he doesn’t list it). 

Those keeping quiet are smartly not broadcasting their own use but also not being counted for empirical purposes  

[+ keroscenefire]

15 hours ago, DWnyc said:

I have been asked pretty much every time with a new provider if I was interested in that. Not all would have listed it. 

To reiterate, it’s a little redundant to express horror or announce how it’s a criteria to rule out a provider (who may be a user himself even if he doesn’t list it). 

Those keeping quiet are smartly not broadcasting their own use but also not being counted for empirical purposes  

And my experience is almost the opposite. I've very seldomly been asked except for the couple who were actually really into meth and in both cases , they were clearly already high and saw me as a way to get more drugs. Both were bad experiences, which is exactly why PNP is a red flag for me.

I do know at least one escort who listed PNP who doesn't do it regularly and just offers it for clients who are into that thing. He definitely didn't strike me as a hard drug user so I believe him. In fact, he told me he is pressured into doing it and doesn't always want to but often those sessions are the ones that are longer and pay more. I was one of the few that did an overnight with him where drugs weren't involved (except 420). 

[former lurker]

On 3/30/2023 at 8:08 AM, robear said:

Right or wrong, to me in this context PNP means meth meth and only meth. Other "party drugs" (of which I admittedly have no first-hand experience) don't provide the quick, intense, sex-enhancing high of methamphetamine. Meth addiction is a major scourge among gay men, and its use is largely tied to sex.  Recovering addicts often say they cannot experience sex sober like it was when they were using, and have to learn all over again how to enjoy sex without the high.  It's hardly surprising to see it featured one way or another among providers and on the hookup apps.

That is NOT to assume that any provider advertising PNP is an addict or otherwise deeply involved with the drug. Doubtless there are clients who wish to use during sessions and want a provider who is cool with that, but it does indicate that the conversation is open to whether and how meth might factor into any encounter.

For me, it's absolutely a big old red flag.

Not that it changes much of the thinking on the subject, but PNP likely includes more chem sex drugs than meth.  It could include G or K (I forget what "G" stands for, K is ketamine, a horse tranquilizer.  Also, the provider may be open to clients using but not use themselves, or may use a different chem than the client.  If the whole area is something you want to avoid, either avoid those who list PNP or be clear about your expectations and what you won't tolerate.

[+ keroscenefire]

49 minutes ago, former lurker said:

Not that it changes much of the thinking on the subject, but PNP likely includes more chem sex drugs than meth.  It could include G or K (I forget what "G" stands for,

G is usually GHB, a easy-to-make and easy to consume drug that increased libido and produces euphoria. It's usually what people think of as the "Date-rape drug" and can actually be pretty dangerous when combined with alcohol. 

[ChasingGirth]

I have had this conversation with a couple of guys that would list PNP as an option. And most of them told me that they tolerate it but don’t use drugs or don’t use hard drugs. So it’s quick to assume that a guy is using strong drugs if PNP is listed on his profile. 

They did mention that usually clients want them to be under something as well, weed, G when the guy doesn’t want to use strong drugs such as T (Crystal Meth).

PNP clients are apparently big spenders as they will spend long hours with the escort. 

[DWnyc]

I agree not all providers listing that are necessarily doing that and that some list it as it signals they are open to clients doing it so as not to lose the business.

But whether providers list it or not, don’t assume they steer clear of it in their private lives where (as with barebacking) behavior has seen a huge shift in what is “normal” in recent years. 

There’s a difference between “I don’t want any of it around during my session” and “I don’t want to go near a provider into that stuff”.

[DWnyc]

On 4/1/2023 at 1:50 PM, ChasingGirth said:

I have had this conversation with a couple of guys that would list PNP as an option. And most of them told me that they tolerate it but don’t use drugs or don’t use hard drugs. So it’s quick to assume that a guy is using strong drugs if PNP is listed on his profile. 

They did mention that usually clients want them to be under something as well, weed, G when the guy doesn’t want to use strong drugs such as T (Crystal Meth).

PNP clients are apparently big spenders as they will spend long hours with the escort. 

And some providers will only engage in that with a minimum of 2-3 hours booking, presumably because it affects their ability to perform with another client for quite a while afterward

[Colton]

Did anyone ever meet him?

[NYXboy]

I think some (most) providers list PNP as a way to say - they don't mind if you do PNP, rather than they do indulge themselves. There seems to be a big market for it. 

 

However, perhaps a thread should be posted about PNP instead of this one where the OP was asking about NYWhore?  (god I love that name!) 

 

Has anyone had any time with him that they would like to share? 

[Guest]

I used to be disgusted by PNP when people asked me if I was into it!  Because... I thought it stood for PissNPoop... haha

I never did get into PNP even though I was an active user.  Most likely because meth was not one of my DoC's.  Got myself into rehab instead and have over 9 months of clean time now

[pubic_assistance]

On 3/27/2023 at 5:47 PM, FrankR said:

why assume it means hard drugs?

...because "PARTY and PLAY refers to CHEMSEX using meth or ketamine as an aphrodisiac.  Do you consider those "light drugs" ? What is your definition of "hard drugs" ?

Edited May 29, 2023 by pubic_assistance