misterhumphries Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 56 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: As far as the occasional torn condom, since I'm 99% top, that's really not my problem. ( and I am HIV negative so it's not theirs either) but for most people, yes. Point taken. Doubling up on your protection is smarter than relying on everyone popping their pills religiously. A torn condom would be your problem if your receptive partner had an STD. It never ceases to amaze me how gay men seem to think HIV is the only disease or virus to be avoided if possible. Gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, herpes, to name the top four are always with us. My doctor confirmed a rise in cases of drug-resistant syphilis among gay men largely in part to the tunnel-vision focus on only HIV prevention. Marc in Calif and josh282282 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luv2play Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Lucky said: "The gay boys..." Really? Yeah. Quite derogatory coming from a self identified bisexual. Medin and Marc in Calif 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ nycman Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Lucky said: "The gay boys..." Really? Don’t get your panties twisted. LFABWC, Marc in Calif and claym 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ sniper Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 On 2/12/2023 at 5:41 PM, Quincy_7 said: Things are going to get really nasty 30 years from now when the PreP bareback generation starts getting anal cancer from HPV. Except they've also taken the HPV vaccine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 On 2/12/2023 at 1:43 PM, glennnnn said: I want to fuck and suck a provider who lists this under health. 'HIV+ undetectable on ART'. exactly what does it mean and what is the risk? Well, assuming he's telling the truth, which is a big assumption, it means that at the time of his last viral load test (whenever that was), there was no virus detected, effectively meaning that at that time he couldn't transmit the virus. If you are bottoming with an escort, you should always, at a minimum, make sure he wears a condom, to protect you not only from HIV, but from a host of other illnesses. If you bottom frequently with men you don't know well, I would highly recommend you use PrEP as well, since it provides better protection from HIV than condoms alone do (though PrEP ONLY protects you from HIV). It would definitely be a mistake to assume that a statement such as that on an escort's website means you don't need protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ sniper Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 9 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: The ga y boys love their righteous indignation. "Undetectable" is good news for the person who's got HIV but bad news for everyone else. They go around acting as if they are now free to bareback everyone they meet. Don't fall for the story. It's Russian Roulette barebacking with poz people. Condoms are your best defense when you're reliant on a drug that isn't effective when it's not taken 100% of the time and even then is 98% effective. There's 2% of bullets in that gun. In those studies didn't they drill down on the people who got HIV and find out that it wasn't just that they missed a couple of doses but in fact had completely stopped taking it as they had no evidence of the medication in their blood? + robear, josh282282 and Marc in Calif 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 9 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: The ga y boys love their righteous indignation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, misterhumphries said: A torn condom would be your problem if your receptive partner had an STD True. But again... after going through thousands of condoms. I've never had one tear. Did one ever leak a drop of cum ? That I wouldn't know. Have I ever experienced a complete failure ? No. ( and I was a complete WHORE in my 20s ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, sniper said: In those studies didn't they drill down on the people who got HIV and find out that it wasn't just that they missed a couple of doses but in fact had completely stopped taking it as they had no evidence of the medication in their blood? No. But they were pretty irregular in their doses. Gilead likes to promote their 99% efficacy number but what they don't tell you is that it's actually 97% in independent trials and that's ONLY when you take it 100% daily ....which 77% of gay men DO NOT !!! https://www.poz.com/article/iPrEx-OLE-results-25922-2484 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeezifonly Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 HIV has relied on self-reporting from the very beginning. Denial of behavior for some created casualties in the hundreds. Understand the risks, be honest about them. Get tested often. And remember that other bacterial and viral cooties don’t care about Prep. I always trust Mr Hankey and a handle. 🎆🎇🔥 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWnyc Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 4 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: As far as the occasional torn condom, since I'm 99% top, that's really not my problem. ( and I am HIV negative so it's not theirs either) With due respect, can you not see how similar things could be said / sincerely believed by those on Prep (“I am hiv negative … not my problem, not theirs”) or undetectable (“I can’t transmit so …”) absolutely not saying anyone should knowingly lie about (what they believe to be) their status, however … misterhumphries and Marc in Calif 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, DWnyc said: With due respect, can you not see how similar things could be said / sincerely believed by those on Prep (“I am hiv negative … not my problem, not theirs”) or undetectable (“I can’t transmit so …”) No I literally have no idea how one has anything to do with the other. Edited February 14, 2023 by pubic_assistance Marc in Calif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuriousByNature Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Whenever in doubt, employ very heavy duty protection: Scott Virginian, LFABWC and musclestuduws 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caramelsub Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) I’m guessing a condom tearing would be more of a issue with intercourse with a heterosexual couple than a homosexual one. Since it only takes a little bit of sperm to fertilize an egg and get a female pregnant. And birth control is one of the primary reasons for condom use between heterosexual couples. While I don’t know the statistics for how much sperm in the anus it takes to contract or transmit HIV between men who have sex with men. Edited February 14, 2023 by caramelsub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWnyc Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 18 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: No I literally have no idea how one has anything to do with the other. Well, I assume you meant something on the lines of “I believe my HIV status is X, therefore I do not consider myself to be a public health hazard” And others could believe the same about themselves based on their interpretation of what they believe to be their HIV status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWnyc Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 20 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: No. But they were pretty irregular in their doses. Gilead likes to promote their 99% efficacy number but what they don't tell you is that it's actually 97% in independent trials and that's ONLY when you take it 100% daily ....which 77% of gay men DO NOT !!! https://www.poz.com/article/iPrEx-OLE-results-25922-2484 I do wonder how many folks on prep for prevention or the drugs to maintain undetectable status can adhere to it all the time, especially when “partying” and so forth. Wish there was a test to see how effective the level of prep is in your body at any time. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWnyc Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 18 hours ago, caramelsub said: I’m guessing a condom tearing would be more of a issue with intercourse with a heterosexual couple than a homosexual one. Since it only takes a little bit of sperm to fertilize an egg and get a female pregnant. And birth control is one of the primary reasons for condom use between heterosexual couples. While I don’t know the statistics for how much sperm in the anus it takes to contract or transmit HIV between men who have sex with men. “Condom fatigue” is also a big issue for heterosexuals now. Declining HIV rates generally a big factor, and PREP / ability to become undetectable have a big role in that. I wouldn’t buy stock in any of the major condom manufacturers any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 41 minutes ago, DWnyc said: “Condom fatigue” is also a big issue for heterosexuals now. Declining HIV rates generally a big factor, and PREP / ability to become undetectable have a big role in that. I wouldn’t buy stock in any of the major condom manufacturers any time soon. Condoms prevent more than just HIV. And people need to worry about more than HIV Syphilis is spreading in the gay community because of the prevalence of PreP and condom use is no longer standard. https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/stdfact-msm-syphilis.htm josh282282 and DWnyc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 On 2/12/2023 at 4:43 PM, glennnnn said: what does it mean and what is the risk? https://journals.lww.com/aidsonline/fulltext/2022/03150/rising_rates_of_recent_preexposure_prophylaxis.9.aspx claym 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZEtoGRU Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I know undetectable gay men that purposely stop taking their HIV meds from time to time because they want to give their body a break from the meds. How long does this go on for? I don't know. At what point do their HIV virus levels start going up again? I don't know. How long does it take them before they are infectious again? I don't know. There's one thing I do know...there's no way in hell I'm gonna trust someone that is HIV undetectable to do the right thing and take their meds as they're supposed to. LFABWC, pubic_assistance and claym 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Lucky Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 @pubic_assistance Thank you for the clickable links. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, EZEtoGRU said: I know undetectable gay men that purposely stop taking their HIV meds from time to time because they want to give their body a break from the meds. How long does this go on for? I don't know. At what point do their HIV virus levels start going up again? I don't know. How long does it take them before they are infectious again? I don't know. There's one thing I do know...there's no way in hell I'm gonna trust someone that is HIV undetectable to do the right thing and take their meds as they're supposed to. The people I know who are positive and undetectable would never, ever go off their meds. That's insane as fuck. Give your body a break? It's the meds that are suppressing the disease. Makes zero sense. Fact: When you stop taking your meds, HIV begins to replicate as soon as 48-72 hours. What's even more stupid is risking building an immunity to the meds that once worked when you go off your regime. HIV is an incredibly smart disease. It fills in the blanks beautifully when given the opportunity. It's one of many things that continues to make this a very difficult disease to pin down and eradicate. Sorry if any of this came off as angry... Not mad at you @EZEtoGRU. Just mad at the idiots who are given a chance to live a relatively normal life thanks to medical science and they still find a way to try to fuck it up. Edited February 15, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas LFABWC, NJF, musclestuduws and 6 others 1 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterhumphries Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 27 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said: The people I know who are positive and undetectable would never, ever go off their meds. That's insane as fuck. Give your body a break? It's the meds that are suppressing the disease. Makes zero sense. Fact: When you stop taking your meds, HIV begins to replicate as soon as 48-72 hours. What's even more stupid is risking building an immunity to the meds that once worked when you go off your regime. HIV is an incredibly smart disease. It fills in the blanks beautifully when given the opportunity. It's one of many things that continues to make this a very difficult disease to pin down and eradicate. Sorry if any of this came off as angry... Not made at you @EZEtoGRU. Just mad at the idiots who are given a chance to live a relatively normal life thanks to medical science and they still find a way to try to fuck it up. I feel your outrage. The current HIV meds are the most sophisticated drugs there are. Those of us can remember the early days when the only medication was AZT which caused more health issues than it may have resolved. I had a former boyfriend who was taking DDI. His body dysmorphia was advancing every time I saw him in the form of a gigantic pot belly and dorsal fat deposit. There is no such thing as taking an HIV med break. What you do is risk building a resistance to the medication. You'd be back on the rollercoaster of switching meds to find one that is tolerable and effective. We are our own worst enemy. + BenjaminNicholas, claym, EZEtoGRU and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy_7 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 hours ago, EZEtoGRU said: I know undetectable gay men that purposely stop taking their HIV meds from time to time because they want to give their body a break from the meds. How long does this go on for? I don't know. At what point do their HIV virus levels start going up again? I don't know. How long does it take them before they are infectious again? I don't know. There's one thing I do know...there's no way in hell I'm gonna trust someone that is HIV undetectable to do the right thing and take their meds as they're supposed to. Why would that desire arise in the first place? Are there side effects to HIV meds that outweigh their life preservation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc in Calif Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: Syphilis is spreading in the gay community... Which means that STDs are likely spreading in the bisexual community as well. Edited February 15, 2023 by Marc in Calif josh282282, + augustus and + pitman 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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