HIV positive. Undetectable on ART

[+ glennnnn]

I want to fuck and suck a provider who lists this under health.

'HIV+ undetectable on ART'. 

exactly what does it mean and what is the risk?

[+ purplekow]

He is taking medication and at this point has no detectable viral load and in theory he is not able to transmit the virus.  While it is probably safe, you should really know if he is taking his medications.  Otherwise, anal receptive behavior would probably be done with a condom. Of course, if you are on Prep, you have much less about which to be concerned.  

[+ Lucky]

27 minutes ago, glennnnn said:

I want to fuck and suck a provider who lists this under health.

'HIV+ undetectable on ART'. 

exactly what does it mean and what is the risk?

 

What is the attraction? Usually it is a person, not a state of being.

[pubic_assistance]

25 minutes ago, purplekow said:

While it is probably safe

There's a lot of Russian Roulette to the whole PreP thing.

Am I the only guy still fucking with condoms ?

[Quincy_7]

9 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

There's a lot of Russian Roulette to the whole PreP thing.

Am I the only guy still fucking with condoms ?

Things are going to get really nasty 30 years from now when the PreP bareback generation starts getting anal cancer from HPV. 

[+ glennnnn]

36 minutes ago, Lucky said:

What is the attraction? Usually it is a person, not a state of being.p

I don't understand this comment.

[+ purplekow]

16 minutes ago, glennnnn said:

I don't understand this comment.

I believe the way it is phrased that it was interpreted that you wanted any provider who was positive on treatment.  I think the assumption that it was his state of positivity that attracted you not the person.  I did not interpret your post that way but I see where one could.  

[+ purplekow]

43 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

There's a lot of Russian Roulette to the whole PreP thing.

Am I the only guy still fucking with condoms ?

I suggested that he use a condom but that the risk would be less if he was on Prep.  Not sure if you misinterpreted my post or if you were making a comment independent of my post.  

[CuriousByNature]

As has been mentioned many times by many people in many posts, the health status in an advertisement can be inaccurate, out of date, or both.  Please do not rely on what an advertisement says as being 100% truth - even the advertiser may not be completely aware of their current health status.  Only you can take the appropriate precautions in protecting your own health and mitigating the risk of infection, and not just regarding HIV, but also for many other conditions and diseases that are sexually transmitted and not protected against by PrEP.

[robberbaron4u]

12 minutes ago, CuriousByNature said:

As has been mentioned many times by many people in many posts, the health status in an advertisement can be inaccurate, out of date, or both.  Please do not rely on what an advertisement says as being 100% truth - even the advertiser may not be completely aware of their current health status.  Only you can take the appropriate precautions in protecting your own health and mitigating the risk of infection, and not just regarding HIV, but also for many other conditions and diseases that are sexually transmitted and not protected against by PrEP.

AMEN.

[Monarchy79]

4 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

There's a lot of Russian Roulette to the whole PreP thing.

Am I the only guy still fucking with condoms ?

Nope.

I’m a condom user too. 

[Monarchy79]

5 hours ago, glennnnn said:

I want to fuck and suck a provider who lists this under health.

'HIV+ undetectable on ART'. 

exactly what does it mean and what is the risk?

 

The same risk as if the provider didn’t disclose any of this information. 

The level of risk is determined by the practices of sex that YOU determine to be safe or risky. 

[+ glennnnn]

All good points_ thanks

[DWnyc]

5 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

There's a lot of Russian Roulette to the whole PreP thing.

Am I the only guy still fucking with condoms ?

As I’ve related elsewhere I’ve frequently had providers refuse to meet because of a conversation on playing safe before confirming (even though their profile says they offer it), or trying to get me to change my mind once we do meet even if they’ve agreed. 

I carry my own because I’ve lost count of how many providers don’t have them but have every other exotic product, toy, etc you can think of. I sometimes get a bit of satisfaction quashing that brief glint of “I don’t have any, damn, we’ll have to go ahead without them”.

 

[DWnyc]

I’ve learnt the painful way (being publicly shamed and losing a friend who was insulted by my ignorance) that I needed to get familiar with the science of undetectable status.

As with prep, It can take some getting used to if you’re from the generation that was told condoms are the only barrier between you and potential death. 

Anyone active not familiar with what undetectable means should read and research, don’t just rely on us here.

But remember, relying on someone just relaying their status (undetectable or on prep) should not be sufficient even if it is 100% accurate as of the date they received results (and I’ve come across many who’ve lied for whatever reason). 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

5 hours ago, Quincy_7 said:

Things are going to get really nasty 30 years from now when the PreP bareback generation starts getting anal cancer from HPV. 

Some sure, but also consider it's the generation who had easiest access to HPV vaccines.

[pubic_assistance]

9 hours ago, DWnyc said:

I've learnt the painful way (being publicly shamed and losing a friend who was insulted by my ignorance) that I needed to get familiar with the science of undetectable status.

The ga y boys love their righteous indignation. "Undetectable" is good news for the person who's got HIV but bad news for everyone else. They go around acting as if they are now free to bareback everyone they meet. Don't fall for the story. It's Russian Roulette barebacking with poz people. Condoms are your best defense when you're reliant on a drug that isn't effective when it's not taken 100% of the time and even then is 98% effective. There's 2% of bullets in that gun.

[+ Lucky]

"The gay boys..." Really?

[pubic_assistance]

4 minutes ago, Lucky said:

"The gay boys..." Really?

Ok so gay girls  are just as bad ..but not about the subject of HIV and PreP..so I only mentioned the guys

[+ purplekow]

7 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

The ga y boys love their righteous indignation. "Undetectable" is good news for the person who's got HIV but bad news for everyone else. They go around acting as if they are now free to bareback everyone they meet. Don't fall for the story. It's Russian Roulette barebacking with poz people. Condoms are your best defense when you're reliant on a drug that isn't effective when it's not taken 100% of the time and even then is 98% effective. There's 2% of bullets in that gun.

While I support condom use, lets not act as if that is 100% effective.  They break,  They fall off.  Even in presenting pregnancy they are only 99% effective even if used correctly.  Using more than one method is probably the safest way to continue to have sex and of course, Abstinence is the safest of all.   

[pubic_assistance]

11 minutes ago, purplekow said:

While I support condom use, lets not act as if that is 100% effective.  They break,  They fall off.  Even in presenting pregnancy they are only 99% effective even if used correctly.

At my age, I must have gone through thousands of condoms. I've never had one "fall off". I literally have no idea how that would happen.

As far as the occasional torn condom, since I'm 99% top, that's really not my problem. ( and I am HIV negative so it's not theirs either) but for most people, yes. Point taken. Doubling up on your protection is smarter than relying on everyone popping their pills religiously.

 

[OCDallas]

I’m on PREP and still always strap up except with my husband.

[misterhumphries]

19 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

Nope.

I’m a condom user too. 

Same here. I got burned once for not using a condom. Never again!

As to the original question, as others have stated, the undetectable means untransmittable is good news -- sort of. Blood work gives a snapshot of a person's viral load at that point in time. If the escort has multiple sex partners (doing lord knows what with them) his undetectable status may be altered and he's not aware of it until his next scheduled round of bloodwork.

In any case, do not allow U = U to lull you into a false sense of complacency. Regardless of his status, you must use a condom if you plan on any sex involving exchange of bodily fluids. You, and you alone, are responsible for maintaining your well-being.

[Marc in Calif]

7 hours ago, Lucky said:

"The gay boys..." Really?

I think he does it just to get a rise — because he knows it's a not-so-subtle diss.  🚀

[misterhumphries]

1 hour ago, purplekow said:

While I support condom use, lets not act as if that is 100% effective.  They break,  They fall off.  Even in presenting pregnancy they are only 99% effective even if used correctly.  Using more than one method is probably the safest way to continue to have sex and of course, Abstinence is the safest of all.   

Classic excuses that do not hold up under unbiased examination. Besides, pregnancy is not the same as contracting HIV. Pregnancy may bring a life into the world. HIV, however, can remove a life or several lives from it. And proper application of a condom and using adequate lubrication can address your examples of what could go wrong with a condom. Abstinence is the sure-fire method to prevent any STD contraction, but abstinence is unrealistic for most people.