Would you only hire providers vaccinated for monkeypox?

[Kevin Slater]

NYC actually has an online portal where you can look up your vaccine records.

Kevin Slater

[+ Tygerscent]

4 hours ago, Beancounter said:

Did you mean to say “I get my second shot” instead of “I got”? I’m  reading the date you provided as September 30, 2022…..25 days from now..

Thank you… I got my second shot 30/08/2022~ (not 30/09/22). My first shot was 02/08/22~ 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Tygerscent

[+ Tygerscent]

On 9/4/2022 at 8:57 AM, SirBillybob said:

You are very observant and correct to ask.

Monkeypox reinfection potential is unknown. Smallpox immunity was not guaranteed but considered to be durable. Smallpox reinfection could not be easily observed in a world eventually without disease. 

But apples oranges. I should not infer either equal or superior natural immunity over vaccination immunity because little is known about either reinfection or breakthrough infection, or for that matter transmission potential coinciding with an undetected asymptomatic post-immunity infection.

That said, I might prefer interaction with someone having recently recovered from seasonal flu compared to someone not infected (or yet infected should they eventually get and shed it) during an outbreak even if vaccinated. Flu vaccination is considered to be leaky and we know it and know it well whereas we don’t know much about MVA-BN and are far from knowing about it well.

If you don’t want to catch Monkeypox, don’t engage in the behaviours that potentiate infection. A provider declaring recovery from Monkeypox must weigh the unjustified stigma clients reading the ad might project onto that information in addition to the ambiguity regarding risk. In contrast, completed vaccination status has a flavour of self-efficacy as if the protection conferred can be taken to the bank. Both sides must weigh risk in the context of WHO guidance that underscores that assumptions of recent natural immunity provided by infection in the current outbreak are unsupported.

However, I had raised natural immunity because the trend in the thread is that providers might be sorted according to vaccination status, as if that track to protection had been established. Yet the category of natural immunity had not been mentioned and AFAIK recent recoverers are not deemed candidates for vaccination and cannot declare vaccination in the way that others may as a prematurely assumed advantage in ads.

Neither inferiority nor superiority of one immunity track over the other is established. 

All this said, I tend to evaluate estimates of risk according to background case incidence. [As well as the ‘probability minimum one’ algorithm which I won’t get into here]. About 1,300 Canadians have been diagnosed. Assuming cases almost 100% GBMSM and a per capita denominator specific to that subpopulation estimate the chances of diagnosed Monkeypox infection based on cumulative count to date were 1/200. With no mitigation and no assumed natural immunity (.5% of us) or artificial immunity (20% of us best case scenario, notwithstanding suboptimal efficacy) compared to Spring onset, the average probability of two consecutive infections is about 1/40,000 assuming reinfection is a thing, and presumably less given current prevalence as well as prophylaxis uptake so far.

some added insight… (“insight” being the key word in the ongoing, ever evolving understanding of viral infections in naive human populations) 

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/monkeypox-outbreak-testing-vaccines-and-more
 

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/monkeypox

[pubic_assistance]

100 new cases within a week in NYC

Still primarily showing up in men who have sex with men.

[+ Tygerscent]

On 9/5/2022 at 11:17 AM, Beancounter said:

I received my first dose of the MP vaccine last Monday and asked for a vaccination card or some form of documentation.  The county health nurse said their office did not have vaccination cards like the ones issued for COVID-19.  When I go back for my second shot I’m hoping that has changed and their is a vaccination card they can issue.  
 

 I ran into the same problem but, was able to get the two stickers that you see above in the photo provided in my earlier responses here in this thread~

  If you have a vaccination booklet where you keep track of all of your vaccinations, you can add the stickers to that.

  My experience has been that when I go in for vaccinations, they usually print out stickers for the order as well note the vaccination in my medical records.
 For something like monkeypox where they are doing walk in and emergency clinics it seems like they have a sheet of stickers designating first or second MPv and the batch of the vaccination itself~ They put that on your paperwork and in their records…

 I was able to get my stickers from the woman dealing with the paperwork who had them simply by asking for them and showing her my vaccination booklet.
 It never hurts to ask. They can always say no but… maybe they will say yes~

 

Edited September 8, 2022 by Tygerscent

[+ Tygerscent]

On 9/5/2022 at 11:17 AM, Beancounter said:

I received my first dose of the MP vaccine last Monday and asked for a vaccination card or some form of documentation.  The county health nurse said their office did not have vaccination cards like the ones issued for COVID-19.  When I go back for my second shot I’m hoping that has changed and their is a vaccination card they can issue.  
 

So, I got the two stickers for my second shot… I was concerned that there was no documentation of my shots for monkeypox and so I secured those two stickers and I put them on my vaccination booklet that I travel with. I just went into something called MyChart. It’s linked to my healthcare providers in both Oregon and Washington state as well as other places. My physicians are spread out around the country because I travel so much. I asked one of my doctors if there was a way for me to get the monkeypox vaccinations posted into my chart  or my regular healthcare system. The one physician replied that they saw my first shot documented. I couldn’t find it within my healthcare system but, I went into MyChart and I did find documentation there. So, I guess they do report it and at least on MyChart, it is eventually documented. I think because I just got my second shot August 30th, (a Friday followed by a weekend and holiday), it may not have posted there yet. But, I will look for it. 
 MyChart seems to be coast to coast here in the states~ So, even if you got your vaccinations outside of your regular health care provider system, if the place you got the vaccinations at is linked to MyChart, it should show up there~ 

[Luv2play]

MyChart is in Canada as well and my doctors use it for me. Its a great tool.

[Luv2play]

So I met up with a new provider today for an erotic massage including some play time near the end of a 90 min. session. $280 fee. Told him in advance I was concerned about Monkeypox and he assured me he was vaccinated, as I was. 

On arriving I noticed he had a green sheet on his table so I casually asked if it was fresh. Well, the reaction I provoked! All from a simple question. He replied sarcastically it was three weeks old. Then a bit of a tirade that Monkeypox was all overblown, a media sensation. 

Well, we got over that as I diverted the conversation to other matters after he showed me all the laundry he had in progress. The massage was technically good as far as it went, he was an RMT, but of course I was more interested in the erotic part.

We finally got into a great groove. He was absolutely great as a top, passionate, kissed like a lover, had a great endowment which he used skillfully and was generous with his attention to my wants and his time. 

At the end he presented me with a bill that was far in excess of $280, $500 in fact but said that was his escort rate for the time he gave me. I couldn't disagree, he was wonderful, all things considered. So I paid without demur.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Luv2play said:

...On arriving I noticed he had a green sheet on his table so I casually asked if it was fresh. Well, the reaction I provoked! All from a simple question. He replied sarcastically it was three weeks old...

At the end he presented me with a bill that was far in excess of $280, $500 in fact but said that was his escort rate ...

Maybe it was his special rate for smart-mouthed customers who question him on his green sheets! 😄 But seriously, it's a bit much to expect more than a happy ending from a masseur. If you're going to request massage + topping, you better get your rates agreed upon again. He ended up taking you for a ride, though. I guess he wasn't interested in the repeat business. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Unicorn

[FrancisCA]

Took a two month break to wait after my 2nd MP vaccine shot.

Was a very uneventful "Celibate Summer" other than taking odd jobs but now that im back in full swing...Its been nice haha

I do ask my clients if they got the MP shot as well and ive had no problems

[Luv2play]

On 9/12/2022 at 1:44 AM, Unicorn said:

Maybe it was his special rate for smart-mouthed customers who question him on his green sheets! 😄 But seriously, it's a bit much to expect more than a happy ending from a masseur. If you're going to request massage + topping, you better get your rates agreed upon again. He ended up taking you for a ride, though. I guess he wasn't interested in the repeat business. 

I should clarify I found his ad on Rentmen, not Rentmasseur, altho he has one on there too. On his Rentmen ad he also noted he was an RMT. He told me he could give tax receipts for strictly therapeutic massages.  I opted for the erotic massage for 1 and a half hours and he said we could play around for the last 15 minutes but no anal.

After about 15 minutes I wasn't happy with the massage and asked him to transition to his escort mode. So really the last hour and 15 minutes was full service. And I was ultimately satisfied and would not hesitate to see him again. I gave him a 5 star review on RM.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Luv2play said:

...I was ultimately satisfied and would not hesitate to see him again. I gave him a 5 star review on RM.

Wow! $500 for an escort visit! He must have been fantastic, since that's absolutely one of the highest rates I've ever even heard about! And he was snide with you! That must have been the best sex ever. I'm sure the escorts love you... 🤑

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

38 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

Wow! $500 for an escort visit! He must have been fantastic, since that's absolutely one of the highest rates I've ever even heard about! And he was snide with you! That must have been the best sex ever. I'm sure the escorts love you... 🤑

 

 

I mean, it was 90 minutes, massage and more, for $500. 

That's not really out of line. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

 

I mean, it was 90 minutes, massage and more, for $500. 

That's not really out of line. 

Ah, the man said "After about 15 minutes I wasn't happy with the massage"... So I wouldn't quite say this was a massage + escort experience.

[Luv2play]

1 hour ago, Unicorn said:

Wow! $500 for an escort visit! He must have been fantastic, since that's absolutely one of the highest rates I've ever even heard about! And he was snide with you! That must have been the best sex ever. I'm sure the escorts love you... 🤑

 

I tend to ignore kibitzers who aren't in the marketplace since they don't know what they are they are talking about.

[pubic_assistance]

On 9/11/2022 at 8:58 PM, Luv2play said:

The massage was technically good as far as it went, he was an RMT, but of course I was more interested in the erotic part.

We finally got into a great groove. He was absolutely great as a top, passionate, kissed like a lover, had a great endowment which he used skillfully and was generous with his attention to my wants and his time. 

At the end he presented me with a bill that was far in excess of $280, $500 in fact but said that was his escort rate for the time he gave me. I couldn't disagree, he was wonderful, all things considered. So I paid without demur.

Sounds like the session was an escort hire in spite of the entry-point massage. By your own admission you were more interested in erotic services. So it's definitely not unjustified to present a bill for the services that were provided rather than the services booked.

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by pubic_assistance

[Rudynate]

On 9/14/2022 at 2:13 PM, Unicorn said:

Wow! $500 for an escort visit! He must have been fantastic, since that's absolutely one of the highest rates I've ever even heard about! And he was snide with you! That must have been the best sex ever. I'm sure the escorts love you... 🤑

 

 

 

I suppose what's important is that the client was satisfied and that the value received was proportionate to the payment. 

[SirBillybob]

Chiming in … sounds more like a massage+ review than a MPXV-centric piece. Ontario? I doubt the provider is RMT. When there I had a few RMT providers give multiple sessions regularly due to a problematic back. Three providers over 25+ years; hundreds of appointments. The Ontario regulatory body, like any other certifying professional College (in Ont they are not called Boards, etc) would prohibit sexual interaction no less vehemently than for a physician, nurse, psychologist, what have you. This guy could be hung out to dry and even sued by a client, however complicit. Additionally, RMT is title-protected and it is as illegal to advertise or claim RMT status as it is to claim for example physician status without the “College” license. I highly doubt this escort is certified or aware he is treading on thin ice claiming such. I suppose he could say he is “professionally trained” in massage therapy. Or he may be “registered” in his own mind because he had a crash course at some point. I realize that I am splitting hairs if he dances around his true qualifications and how he articulates them, but there are strict laws about how this is represented.

(Writing from Colombia so $500CAD seems outrageous LOL)

Edited October 2, 2022 by SirBillybob

[+ sniper]

On 9/7/2022 at 11:42 AM, pubic_assistance said:

100 new cases within a week in NYC

Still primarily showing up in men who have sex with men.

7-day Rolling Daily average was down to 4 and falling on Sept 27 according to NYC site.

[Rod Hagen]

It's funny/awful now because we are scrutinizing each other's bodies as if we're back to the KS days!  I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm just saying it sucks.   (Let's wait till this rash goes away.  It's not a rash, I don't know what the fuck it is, but it's been there for 63 years.  Ok, let's just wait anyway.!!)

Edited October 3, 2022 by Rod Hagen

[Kevin Slater]

1 hour ago, Rod Hagen said:

It's funny/awful now because we are scrutinizing each other's bodies as if we're back to the KS days!

Why drag me into this?

Kevin Slater

[+ Reisr30]

I got my first Mpox shot today.  They didn’t have vaccine cards.  I have my second shot scheduled; was super easy and took less than 10 minutes.

Feeling pretty happy about it…

[Jim_n_NYC]

19 hours ago, Reisr30 said:

I got my first Mpox shot today.  They didn’t have vaccine cards.  I have my second shot scheduled; was super easy and took less than 10 minutes.

Feeling pretty happy about it…

I don't believe there's a card like the Covid vax card everyone got.  I got an 8x11 sheet documenting my first MP shot and was told I'd get a 'card' after the second.  Got my second on Wednesday and they gave me another 8x11 sheet showing it.  I'm just going to copy it and put a pic on my phone.  Unlike Covid though, I've never been asked about MP...maybe I will if I go to a gay event of some sort, but we just got back from Europe and weren't even asked about Covid (though we did have to wear masks on Iberia and on the metro in Munich).

Edited October 7, 2022 by Jim_n_NYC

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 10/7/2022 at 8:14 AM, Jim_n_NYC said:

I don't believe there's a card like the Covid vax card everyone got.  I got an 8x11 sheet documenting my first MP shot and was told I'd get a 'card' after the second.  Got my second on Wednesday and they gave me another 8x11 sheet showing it.  I'm just going to copy it and put a pic on my phone.  Unlike Covid though, I've never been asked about MP...maybe I will if I go to a gay event of some sort, but we just got back from Europe and weren't even asked about Covid (though we did have to wear masks on Iberia and on the metro in Munich).

My experience was the opposite.  I received a card for the monkeypox vaccine, but did not receive one for the caronavirus vaccine.  When I received the coronavirus vaccine, it was done at my employer through an early roll out to essential employees and not available to the public yet.  When certain business started asking for proof of vaccination, I just wrote the date, location, and phone number for when I received the vaccine and carried a photocopy of that.  That worked everywhere I went.

[Jim_n_NYC]

41 minutes ago, Vegas_nw1982 said:

My experience was the opposite.  I received a card for the monkeypox vaccine, but did not receive one for the caronavirus vaccine.  When I received the coronavirus vaccine, it was done at my employer through an early roll out to essential employees and not available to the public yet.  When certain business started asking for proof of vaccination, I just wrote the date, location, and phone number for when I received the vaccine and carried a photocopy of that.  That worked everywhere I went.

I was told I'd get a card but didn't for the MP.  Not sure it's that big an issue...in Europe last month I didn't see squat about MP though I did about Corona, of course.