Isn't 400 dollars for a hour too much for New York standards?

[+ sniper]

On 3/6/2022 at 1:11 PM, xyz48B said:

Assuming they charge $300/hr, five days a week, four weeks a month, that comes to $6000/month. If it’s only one client a day. It’s $7200/month if they see clients only one day of Saturday or Sunday.

At $300/hr, fives a week, that comes to $78k per year. At $300/hr, six days a week, that comes to $93.6k per year. In NYC that may be tight, but in other places it should be more than enough for a comfortable life. To a degree, it’s about management.

Assuming it takes 90 minutes before and after a client to prepare and clean up, $78k per year for working 4 hours a day, five days a week, is pretty damn good. Same for $93.6k for six days a week, four hours a day.

You're not factoring in risk assessment.  It's a job with a shelf life for most, also there's the danger aspect of meeting unknown people and possibly law enforcement.  

 

[xyz48B]

43 minutes ago, sniper said:

You're not factoring in risk assessment.  It's a job with a shelf life for most, also there's the danger aspect of meeting unknown people and possibly law enforcement.  

 

You’re moving the goal posts.

If the issue is making ends meet, then my calculus holds. If we’re remunerating above and beyond what it takes to make a living,* then it becomes a lot trickier to calculate effectively. And it’s also a lot more subjective. Risk for example. Some escorts are more risk averse than others; they would theoretically charge more, if risk is assessed a value, than other escorts who are less risk averse.

*And before anyone pisses themselves, I’m not suggesting we only remunerate for COL alone. I’m saying that’s what the discussion was about so that’s what I dealt with. As stated above, introducing other variables moves the goal posts.

Edited March 8, 2022 by xyz48B

[+ sniper]

I'm not moving any goalposts. You're presuming to know where someone ELSE's goal posts should be. The vast majority of  businesspeople in setting their prices are not merely aiming to "make ends meet." They want to get ahead. This kid is setting his price at a point where he's willing to do business. There are always multiple price points at any type of service. 

 

[xyz48B]

1 hour ago, sniper said:

I'm not moving any goalposts. You're presuming to know where someone ELSE's goal posts should be. The vast majority of  businesspeople in setting their prices are not merely aiming to "make ends meet." They want to get ahead. This kid is setting his price at a point where he's willing to do business. There are always multiple price points at any type of service. 

 

You are moving the goal posts of the discussion. I don’t care about the goal posts some businessperson is setting. The discussion was going about costs, inflation, poverty, etc. All those are concerns that are essentially about making ends meet. You introduce the points about risk and law enforcement etc. Law enforcement has nothing to do with inflation or poverty (at least in this regard), so by introducing it you’re moving the baseline of discussion from what is necessary to make a living to what is necessary to get ahead. Two distinct things. And for the latter, it’s all over the place depending on provider…Nearly impossible to say what is “average” because there’s going to be as many different responses to that as there are escorts. Not all escorts are looking to get ahead. Some simply are making money on the side. Some however are seeing this as their sole source of income. Circumstances are very different.

[MscleLovr]

I accept the arithmetic of @xyz48B but I find it irrelevant to the question posed in this thread’s title. Also I did just read some earlier posts by @HoseMaster and @xyz48B asking about rates in NYC 20 years ago and I can help there.
 

As it happens, I first hired in NYC in 2000. At that time, rates were generally shown on Rentboy (the predecessor to Rentmen) and $200 was the common rate. Amateurs/newbies and guys with full-time jobs often asked for less, such as $100-120.  Handsome guys with muscled bodies asked for more, about $250-300. I recall meeting in 2000-2002 a handsome young actor with a very good physique. He NEVER advertised but he had what he termed “a select group of discreet regulars”. His rate then was $300. 

Similarly in London,  the common rate was £100-120 ($200-220 then) in 2000. Amateurs et al charged £50-80 but gym-gods and porn-actors asked £150-200 (about $400). I met a guy in London who worked for BelAmi at that time and he asked for £150 (and was a very good date). 

And as regards an escort’s income, this may interest some. I had several dates in LA in 2005/2006 with a wannabe actor/model. He  was short but darkly handsome and beautifully muscled. He advertised with an asking rate of $350. Because we got on well together (and I’d take him out to dinner) he charged me $300. Interestingly he discussed his approach to escorting with me one night. He disclosed what his target income was each month. As soon as he hit that target, he took his advert offline and he didn’t answer his ‘work’ phone. The monthly income he wanted was $6000. Some months he achieved that within 10 days, generally it took him about 2-3 weeks, but he never ran his ad for the whole month.

 

 

[HoseMaster]

47 minutes ago, MscleLovr said:

I accept the arithmetic of @xyz48B but I find it irrelevant to the question posed in this thread’s title. Also I did just read some earlier posts by @HoseMaster and @xyz48B asking about rates in NYC 20 years ago and I can help there.
 

As it happens, I first hired in NYC in 2000. At that time, rates were generally shown on Rentboy (the predecessor to Rentmen) and $200 was the common rate. Amateurs/newbies and guys with full-time jobs often asked for less, such as $100-120.  Handsome guys with muscled bodies asked for more, about $250-300. I recall meeting in 2000-2002 a handsome young actor with a very good physique. He NEVER advertised but he had what he termed “a select group of discreet regulars”. His rate then was $300. 

Similarly in London,  the common rate was £100-120 ($200-220 then) in 2000. Amateurs et al charged £50-80 but gym-gods and porn-actors asked £150-200 (about $400). I met a guy in London who worked for BelAmi at that time and he asked for £150 (and was a very good date). 

And as regards an escort’s income, this may interest some. I had several dates in LA in 2005/2006 with a wannabe actor/model. He  was short but darkly handsome and beautifully muscled. He advertised with an asking rate of $350. Because we got on well together (and I’d take him out to dinner) he charged me $300. Interestingly he discussed his approach to escorting with me one night. He disclosed what his target income was each month. As soon as he hit that target, he took his advert offline and he didn’t answer his ‘work’ phone. The monthly income he wanted was $6000. Some months he achieved that within 10 days, generally it took him about 2-3 weeks, but he never ran his ad for the whole month.

 

 

Thanks for the nice and informative reply from rates back then.  BTW, who was the Bel Ami guy you hired in London back then?  It was probably someone I liked from that era.

[Hathor]

Wow, what a bunch of cheap dinosaurs hahaha and guys, If you personally get offended by something someone that doesn't know you says, in a public forum discussing escorts, perhaps is time for self-analysis instead of blowing up like a bomb!

Edited March 9, 2022 by Hathor

[xyz48B]

@MscleLovr…not sure how asking if a certain amount is “too much” and then demonstrating how it plays out over the course of a year is irrelevant. I even set the bar lower in an attempt to demonstrate that less is sufficient “to make ends meet.” To me, asking if some provider is charging too much is asking two questions: 1) is the provider being realistic given the local market and 2) is the amount “worth it?” There are many ways to look at each of those questions.

If the object is for the escort to make a sustainable living, $400/hr is more than sufficient in NYC. If he’s good enough, he’ll have more than enough business to be comfortable. If he’s not, he’ll fall out of the market because he can’t make it. But $400/hr is sufficient to get by.

The question of worth is wholly different, and it’s subjective. A good escort could charge less and still be comfortable with loads of clients. He could also probably charge more, “get ahead,” and still have loads of clients because many think he’s “worth it.”

”Too much” is vague. It really depends what you’re asking about. Fairness in compensation or value for a particular escort. But demonstrating that $400/hr is within the comfortable COL range is not irrelevant to a discussion of “too much.”

I hope I’ve shown that now by explaining.

[Wanderoz]

Yes.  Too much.

[+ José Soplanucas]

This thread is breaking all records of ridiculousness. What an accomplishment! 7 pages and still going further and further.

The admins are brainstorming different changes and updates to the website. Perhaps we should suggest a new slogan;

THE COMPANY OF MEN: where clients tell escorts how to run their business

[xyz48B]

@latbear4blk 🙄 

[Bobby Biceps]

10 hours ago, MscleLovr said:

I accept the arithmetic of @xyz48B but I find it irrelevant to the question posed in this thread’s title. Also I did just read some earlier posts by @HoseMaster and @xyz48B asking about rates in NYC 20 years ago and I can help there.
 

As it happens, I first hired in NYC in 2000. At that time, rates were generally shown on Rentboy (the predecessor to Rentmen) and $200 was the common rate. Amateurs/newbies and guys with full-time jobs often asked for less, such as $100-120.  Handsome guys with muscled bodies asked for more, about $250-300. I recall meeting in 2000-2002 a handsome young actor with a very good physique. He NEVER advertised but he had what he termed “a select group of discreet regulars”. His rate then was $300. 

Similarly in London,  the common rate was £100-120 ($200-220 then) in 2000. Amateurs et al charged £50-80 but gym-gods and porn-actors asked £150-200 (about $400). I met a guy in London who worked for BelAmi at that time and he asked for £150 (and was a very good date). 

And as regards an escort’s income, this may interest some. I had several dates in LA in 2005/2006 with a wannabe actor/model. He  was short but darkly handsome and beautifully muscled. He advertised with an asking rate of $350. Because we got on well together (and I’d take him out to dinner) he charged me $300. Interestingly he discussed his approach to escorting with me one night. He disclosed what his target income was each month. As soon as he hit that target, he took his advert offline and he didn’t answer his ‘work’ phone. The monthly income he wanted was $6000. Some months he achieved that within 10 days, generally it took him about 2-3 weeks, but he never ran his ad for the whole month.

 

 

wow this is a great post. well done. really gives quite an insight over an extended period of time. really appreciate this

[MscleLovr]

17 hours ago, HoseMaster said:

BTW, who was the Bel Ami guy you hired in London back then?

His stage name was Yves Carradine. He was on a working vacation in London with another guy. 

[HoseMaster]

7 hours ago, MscleLovr said:

His stage name was Yves Carradine. He was on a working vacation in London with another guy. 

I remember him.  😜

[marylander1940]

Moderator's note:  Let's keep it on topic, guys.

[HoseMaster]

I kinda had a laugh as I think there are a lot of “Niles Standish”-es out there that probably help help with the inflation of escort’s fees out there.  Niles Standish is a character in the old Comedy Central show “Crank Yankers” in which the likes of Adam Carolla would lend their voices to the show, and make prank phone calls to various people, and then if the call went good, would set the phone call to puppets.  Niles would usually get a rate over the phone about some product or service, and quickly tell them to “double it”.  Most of the time, they were put off and surprised, and didn’t know what to say.  If you Google “Crank Yankers Double It”, it brings quite a few scenes up from the show.  In this call, he calls a personal trainer to ask about having him set off with a loin cloth and run into the woods while Niles will hunt him with a paint ball gun.  When Niles asks about the rate, and the personal trainer giving him a weekly rate of $1,600, he immediately days “double it”!  
Sometimes I feel that Niles is the client, and the people on the other end of the phones are the escorts.  That’s why sometimes I feel we see those $500 and above rates because of some Niles giving them that doubled rate at some point, and then they feel they should get that anytime.  😂🤣🤪

https://www.cc.com/video/vifdc2/crank-yankers-niles-has-a-new-hobby

Edited March 10, 2022 by HoseMaster

[HoseMaster]

…and I had to laugh at this one I just saw where “Niles” call a hardware store and asks the poor clerk about “caulk”.

 

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, HoseMaster said:

…and I had to laugh at this one I just saw where “Niles” call a hardware store and asks the poor clerk about “caulk”.

 

You have just redeemed this thread.

[HoseMaster]

22 minutes ago, latbear4blk said:

You have just redeemed this thread.

Haha, thanks.  I laughed out loud.

[Luv2play]

I have been following this thread and I have to say trying to remember what I considered reasonable rates 20 years ago is getting to be difficult. When Hooboys reviews were easy to consult at that time, the rates were usually posted. 

In the early 2000s I often hired in the American market, NY, Miami, Ft Lauderdale and seem to recall $150 being the typical rate. By the mid 2000s maybe $200. It seemed to take a long time to get to $300. I think the financial crisis of 2008 had something to do with it and the great recession which followed.

Now $350 seems the norm altho $300 is still available for a quality experience. $400 is to me on the higher end.

[+ sniper]

When I first went to the Gaiety in 1998 the going rate was $150 but what happened varied widely and  there were always people (Chris from  Baltimore comes to mind - wonder WEHT him...) who played the a la carte pricing game.

[RyanDean]

This thread's got me thinking of a most gratifying recent hire...
'Twas worth every f'n one of those 40,000 pennies.

[Luv2play]

18 minutes ago, sniper said:

When I first went to the Gaiety in 1998 the going rate was $150 but what happened varied widely and  there were always people (Chris from  Baltimore comes to mind - wonder WEHT him...) who played the a la carte pricing game.

I visited the Gaiety around the same time but never hired there. I thought at the time that their rates were on the high end, because of their looks and high profile. There seemed to be others who were more reasonable but again my memory is a bit fuzzy on the specifics. It's like asking myself what did a beer cost in those days.

[+ DrownedBoy]

I'm wondering - what would happen to rates if, in the United States, sex work was legalized, regulated, and taxed like any other kind of work?

I can think of several opposing factors.

[xyz48B]

5 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

I'm wondering - what would happen to rates if, in the United States, sex work was legalized, regulated, and taxed like any other kind of work?

I can think of several opposing factors.

I expect you’d see a vital black market due to taxes, but also law enforcement much more interested in sex workers because of tax evasion. That’s my immediate thought. I doubt it would make the prices any less. If anything, it might make them higher as it’s sanctioned then. The black market may offer lower prices, but the “better” escorts who abide the law would be more expensive precisely because they can provide a legal option. A premium for legality, if you will.