+ WilliamM Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) On 1/23/2022 at 4:13 PM, BSR said: Again, if they were slipped drugs without their knowledge or consent, I would change my tune. But it sounds like the women took quaaludes voluntarily, whether to get high or to get through the trauma of sex with the creepy geriatric. To be clear, I am not judging these women for being part of Hefner's bizarre sex harem. I am judging them for trying to portray themselves as victims when the reality is they were adults who could have walked away whenever they chose to. Young very attractive actresses such as Rita Hayworth, Marilyn Monroe, Kim Novak were often propositioned by stuido big shots. To suggest that women associated with Hugh Hefner were not propositioned against their will during the same years is unusual Edited January 25, 2022 by WilliamM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeezifonly Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 A&E, neither arts nor entertainment…I looked up the guy who has put this together. A sensationalist, shall we say. + WilliamM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz48B Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 What’s clear here is that all these gay men have no clue – no clue – what it’s like to be a woman caught up in the world of men’s power. It’s rather sickening to see how you talk about it. Women face unspeakable, unimaginable hurdles that men – even flamboyant gay men – don’t ever face. To suggest that a woman in a system built by centuries of patriarchy to keep her under men can just assert herself and extricate herself from it without potentially equal-or-worse negative consequences underscores your blindness to the very nature of male privilege. There’s a reason these women keep a lot of this stuff quiet so long, not the least of it being the trauma that comes along with abuse. This thread reeks of male insensitivity to the real objectified plight of women in this world as “objects” of male dominance and manipulation. marylander1940 and + WilliamM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 10 hours ago, marylander1940 said: No need for name calling or getting personal. Which is why I did neither. + WilliamM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 10 hours ago, marylander1940 said: I hope you're never in juror in a rape trial because I doubt you'll feel sympathetic towards the victim/accuser. I've been sexually assaulted twice as a young man. So pretty familiar with the difference between actual sexual assault and next day regret. + nycman, MikeBiDude, BSR and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSR Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, xyz48B said: What’s clear here is that all these gay men have no clue – no clue – what it’s like to be a woman caught up in the world of men’s power. It’s rather sickening to see how you talk about it. Women face unspeakable, unimaginable hurdles that men – even flamboyant gay men – don’t ever face. To suggest that a woman in a system built by centuries of patriarchy to keep her under men can just assert herself and extricate herself from it without potentially equal-or-worse negative consequences underscores your blindness to the very nature of male privilege. There’s a reason these women keep a lot of this stuff quiet so long, not the least of it being the trauma that comes along with abuse. This thread reeks of male insensitivity to the real objectified plight of women in this world as “objects” of male dominance and manipulation. Could we pull back from the gender studies theory and focus instead on the specifics of this case? What exactly prevented these women from saying "no" or "stop" and then leaving? + nycman, Todd Jenkins and pubic_assistance 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeezifonly Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 The Playboy Organization probably offered the most money for nude modeling, for cocktail waitressing, and for other non-specific hostessing at the Clubs and the mansion. In the 1960s-80’s, a lot of women would have unnecessarily put up with being forced into sex with management, patrons and others, but the money (and/or promises of stardom) made it very hard for them to see things clearly. They have every right to speak up now. I have the right not to watch the program… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninsoma Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 There is a big difference between being sexually harassed when going for a mainstream job. If you are seeking a part on a non-X rated movie, you shouldn't have to put up with harassment as part of the casting process. I recently started watching some videos of a guy who did some mainstream modeling in his 20s and he also talks about harassment and unwanted physical touching by photographers. It isn't just women who get put in a position of wondering whether they should go along with something they don't want to do in order to get work. All of that is deplorable, and I acknowledge that this likely does happen to women a lot more often than men. I think what some of us are struggling with here is that we're not talking about trying to get work as a mainstream actor or model. Anyone who wanted to live/work in the Playboy mansion who didn't understand what she was getting into wasn't thinking about reality. How old does someone need to be before we can expect them to have a reasonable level of intelligence such that they wouldn't even pursue an "opportunity" like that unless they wanted to subject themselves to being treated as a sex object? To complain afterwords just seems disingenuous; the time to not find yourself in that position is to avoid it from the get-go. Again, I'm not saying that Hefner was a role model but, absent evidence that he actually forced women to do things against their will, I don't see his behavior as any different than many of us here who have hired men apart from his much larger stash of cash that allowed him to do it on a much grander scale. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: I've been sexually assaulted twice as a young man. So pretty familiar with the difference between actual sexual assault and next day regret. I'm sorry to hear you're a rape survivor which is the term use now a days to describe your painful experiences. I don't think having gone through those 2 horrible experiences and being familiar about the circumstances rape happens gives you the ability to tell if another rape survivor or an entire group of women in this case are saying the truth or simply out for revenge or money. Edited January 25, 2022 by marylander1940 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 hours ago, marylander1940 said: I don't think having gone through those 2 horrible experiences and being familiar about the circumstances rape happens gives you the ability to tell if another rape survivor or an entire group of women in this case are saying the truth or simply out for revenge or money. I think it does give me insight to how people do ( or don't ) process sexual abuse For example I never said they were "horrible". You made that assumption because you jumped to a conclusion about the circumstances . Todd Jenkins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: I think it does give me insight to how people do ( or don't ) process sexual abuse For example I never said they were "horrible". You made that assumption because you jumped to a conclusion about the circumstances . I've always thought of rape as a horrible experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, marylander1940 said: I've always thought of rape as a horrible experience. No one likes being forced into something they don't want to do....but I'd say there were plenty of more horrible things I've experienced in my life. I also had the common sense to confront the person who roofied me shortly afterwards and got my revenge by publicly exposing him. So it was over and done with no emotional scars. Edited January 25, 2022 by pubic_assistance + WilliamM and MikeBiDude 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 On 1/24/2022 at 9:35 PM, pubic_assistance said: I've been sexually assaulted twice as a young man. So pretty familiar with the difference between actual sexual assault and next day regret. THIS all day long. I would HATE to be a str8 man in today's world. A chick gets upset that she said yes and all of a sudden, your world is upside down and you're accused of something you NEVER DID! And "believe women" is a crock of BS! pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Todd Jenkins said: I would HATE to be a str8 man in today's world. I remember in High School....it wasn't uncommon for the girls to guilt-trip the boys the morning after for "going-all-the-way." Although we were somewhat promiscuous given the religious community we lived, we were all gentlemen about it and we all knew better than to coerce the girls into anything more than they were willing to do. I never once pushed any girl beyond what she was leading me to get into...but multiple times, I got attitude that I had the next day. This is a real problem for men these days. When you can suffer serious consequences for a difference of opinion about who made the first move. Todd Jenkins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 6 hours ago, Todd Jenkins said: THIS all day long. I would HATE to be a str8 man in today's world. A chick gets upset that she said yes and all of a sudden, your world is upside down and you're accused of something you NEVER DID! And "believe women" is a crock of BS! No, you would love to be a straight men in today's world with so many women available in the big cities and sex just a couple of dates away. 1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said: I remember in High School....it wasn't uncommon for the girls to guilt-trip the boys the morning after for "going-all-the-way." Although we were somewhat promiscuous given the religious community we lived, we were all gentlemen about it and we all knew better than to coerce the girls into anything more than they were willing to do. I never once pushed any girl beyond what she was leading me to get into...but multiple times, I got attitude that I had the next day. This is a real problem for men these days. When you can suffer serious consequences for a difference of opinion about who made the first move. the odds are against the woman and the guy is very likely to not even spend one night in jail. Back to subject I'm still amazed about how easily some blamed the bunnies because when they signed up to pose naked "they had it coming"... xyz48B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ FreshFluff Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 6 hours ago, Todd Jenkins said: THIS all day long. I would HATE to be a str8 man in today's world. A chick gets upset that she said yes and all of a sudden, your world is upside down and you're accused of something you NEVER DID! And "believe women" is a crock of BS! It’s terrible. That’s why Rikers is overrun with preppy white inmates with bogus rape charges. Oh wait. MikeBiDude, + Lucky, xyz48B and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, marylander1940 said: Back to subject I'm still amazed about how easily some blamed the bunnies because when they signed up to pose naked "they had it coming"... no. when they moved into the mansion of a man who RAN A PORN MAGAZINE and it's not unknown what goes on there, they had it coming. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike carey Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 37 minutes ago, FreshFluff said: It’s terrible. That’s why Rikers is overrun with preppy white inmates with bogus rape charges. Oh wait. Apparently your irony here was lost on some readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Todd Jenkins said: no. when they moved into the mansion of a man who RAN A PORN MAGAZINE and it's not unknown what goes on there, they had it coming. Edited January 28, 2022 by marylander1940 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyz48B Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) The willingness to dismiss out of hand the claim that a wealthy male sex icon would take advantage of his position for sex for his own gratification is indicative of the very systemic poison itself of patriarchy and misogyny. Edited January 28, 2022 by xyz48B marylander1940, mike carey, TumYum and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSR Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 3 hours ago, xyz48B said: The willingness to dismiss out of hand the claim that a wealthy male sex icon would take advantage of his position for sex for his own gratification is indicative of the very systemic poison itself of patriarchy and misogyny. Please, enough of the gender studies theory. I keep asking you what exactly prevented these women from saying "no" or "stop" and then leaving. Your refusal to respond to that question indicates that you don't like the answer. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TumYum Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 22 hours ago, Todd Jenkins said: they had it coming. re-posting for clarity + WilliamM and marylander1940 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 33 minutes ago, TumYum said: re-posting for clarity And you are the VERY DEFINITION of taking something out of context! They 'had it coming' means 'they knew what they were getting into.' pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TumYum Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 37 minutes ago, Todd Jenkins said: And you are the VERY DEFINITION of taking something out of context! They 'had it coming' means 'they knew what they were getting into.' oooohh i seeee! + WilliamM and mike carey 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, TumYum said: oooohh i seeee! 🤡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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