Hugh Hefner's Playboy Bunnies' heartbreaking confessions - from abuse to humiliating sex rituals

[marylander1940]

'Secrets of Playboy' docuseries shows dark side of Hugh Hefner (nypost.com)

OP note: somehow I'm not surprised and look forward to watch it. The media has portrayed him as a grandfather figure with a naughty past and a liberating legacy, I think he was none of those things. 

Edited January 21, 2022 by marylander1940

[maninsoma]

I don't know what "dark side" this docuseries will show, but I am frequently perplexed when some models complain about how they were treated after entering the world of pornography.  Attempting to limit someone's outside success is deplorable.  Forcing someone to have sex is deplorable.  But sometimes the complaints seem to be more akin to regret about having gotten involved in pornography.  Assuming the person was of legal age and sound mind to consent, their decision to enter the pornography business was their own.  At any point -- again, assuming they aren't being forced to do things against their will -- they can decide they don't like what they are doing and leave the business or work for a different studio or, for that matter, themselves now that Fans sites have taken over the industry. 

Did anyone not involved with Playboy really think that Hefner was just some grandfatherly figure to these models?  I certainly didn't.  I assumed he had sex with most of them. 

[BSR]

Back in his stand-up days, Joe Rogan used to do a savage takedown of Hugh Hefner.  To quote the immortal wisdom of Bart Simpson, it's funny because it's true."

 

[pubic_assistance]

On 1/21/2022 at 10:01 AM, maninsoma said:

Assuming the person was of legal age and sound mind to consent, their decision to enter the pornography business was their own. 

Exactly.

This constant whining that women do about next morning regret being the same as rape is beyond ridiculous and juvenile in it's emotional turmoil. Grown ups leave when they don't like the room they're in.

[+ WilliamM]

When I spent a week in Madrid in 1973, newstands were not selling Playboy magazine with pictures of naked women. The photos were a casuty of the  far right onservative Francisco Franco government.

[xyz48B]

On 1/20/2022 at 10:53 PM, marylander1940 said:

I think he was none of those things.

I tend to think like you. How many NDAs must be squirreled away because of him and his “bunnies?”

[xyz48B]

On 1/21/2022 at 10:01 AM, maninsoma said:

I assumed he had sex with most of them. 

Duh. And anything you hear otherwise is a lie. 

[+ FreshFluff]

On 1/21/2022 at 7:01 AM, maninsoma said:

I don't know what "dark side" this docuseries will show, but I am frequently perplexed when some models complain about how they were treated after entering the world of pornography.  Attempting to limit someone's outside success is deplorable.  Forcing someone to have sex is deplorable.  But sometimes the complaints seem to be more akin to regret about having gotten involved in pornography.  Assuming the person was of legal age and sound mind to consent, their decision to enter the pornography business was their own. 

It was more than porn though. He had a Middle Easterm prince type harem going with curfews for the girls, hair color requirements etc. The idea was that he might make them Playmates and thus launch their careers. Men just don't tolerate that kind of thing. Can you imagine Geffen”s boyfriends agreeing to a curfew?

That said, the women consented. Holly Madison, who seems to play a major role in this series, tried to get Hefner to marry her. 

[marylander1940]

11 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Exactly.

This constant whining that women do about next morning regret being the same as rape is beyond ridiculous and juvenile in it's emotional turmoil. Grown ups leave when they don't like the room they're in.

I think some are being a little bit judgy...

Not all grown-ups react the same way or do the right thing whatever that is in each circumstance.

Not a good idea for any of us to start casting stones. Coulda woulda shoulda... 

Edited January 23, 2022 by marylander1940

[marylander1940]

On 1/21/2022 at 7:01 AM, maninsoma said:

I don't know what "dark side" this docuseries will show, but I am frequently perplexed when some models complain about how they were treated after entering the world of pornography.  Attempting to limit someone's outside success is deplorable.  Forcing someone to have sex is deplorable.  But sometimes the complaints seem to be more akin to regret about having gotten involved in pornography.  Assuming the person was of legal age and sound mind to consent, their decision to enter the pornography business was their own.  At any point -- again, assuming they aren't being forced to do things against their will -- they can decide they don't like what they are doing and leave the business or work for a different studio or, for that matter, themselves now that Fans sites have taken over the industry. 

Did anyone not involved with Playboy really think that Hefner was just some grandfatherly figure to these models?  I certainly didn't.  I assumed he had sex with most of them. 

Let's see what the regrets are before we analyze their true meaning. 

[BSR]

3 hours ago, FreshFluff said:

It was more than porn though. He had a Middle Easterm prince type harem going with curfews for the girls, hair color requirements etc. The idea was that he might make them Playmates and thus launch their careers. Men just don't tolerate that kind of thing. Can you imagine Geffen”s boyfriends agreeing to a curfew?

That said, the women consented. Holly Madison, who seems to play a major role in this series, tried to get Hefner to marry her. 

Of course, if Hefner did anything to coerce these women, I would one thousand percent condemn his actions.  But in the absence of coercion, these women were free to walk away from all the alleged abuse and humiliation, or am I missing something?  If they suffered through it in hopes of money or fame, it must suck that it didn't pan out, but they're victims only of their own bad choices, not of the creepy pajama-clad geriatric.

[+ FreshFluff]

1 hour ago, BSR said:

Of course, if Hefner did anything to coerce these women, I would one thousand percent condemn his actions.  But in the absence of coercion, these women were free to walk away from all the alleged abuse and humiliation, or am I missing something?  If they suffered through it in hopes of money or fame, it must suck that it didn't pan out, but they're victims only of their own bad choices, not of the creepy pajama-clad geriatric.

I agree for the most part. There’s one complicating factor: According to two girlfriends, Hef gave the women quaaludes, which he referred to as “leg openers, ” before the twice-weekly “sex nights.” Some women took them while others hid them. 

But from what I gather, the women aren't claiming the didn't consent.

Edited January 23, 2022 by FreshFluff

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, FreshFluff said:

According to two girlfriends, Hef gave the women quaaludes, which he referred to as “leg openers,

Everyone was taking Quaaludes in the 80s. Hardly shocking.

[maninsoma]

13 hours ago, FreshFluff said:

It was more than porn though. He had a Middle Easterm prince type harem going with curfews for the girls, hair color requirements etc. The idea was that he might make them Playmates and thus launch their careers. Men just don't tolerate that kind of thing. Can you imagine Geffen”s boyfriends agreeing to a curfew?

That said, the women consented. Holly Madison, who seems to play a major role in this series, tried to get Hefner to marry her. 

Didn't Liberace's lover get plastic surgery at Liberace's request to make him look more like Liberace did in his younger days?  Similarly, hasn't Calvin Klein required some of his high profile boyfriends to get "work done?"  Sure, maybe the number of men willing to put  up with nonsense like that is smaller but it isn't unheard of.

[+ nycman]

31 minutes ago, maninsoma said:

Similarly, hasn't Calvin Klein required some of his high profile boyfriends to get "work done?" 

More likely.....

Some of Calvin's "boyfriends" have had work done in a delusional attempt to retain their position as Calvin's "boyfriend". 

I don't see Calvin "requiring" anyone to do anything. 

You joined the circus. Don't act surprised when you have to have to shovel the elephant shit. 

[+ E.T.Bass]

13 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

I think some are being a little bit judgy...

Not all grown-ups react the same way or do the right thing whatever that is in each circumstance.

Not a good idea for any of us to start casting stones. Coulda woulda shoulda... 

 

 

LOL.  Yes! 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2022 by E.T.Bass

[xyz48B]

14 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

I think some are being a little bit judgy...

Not all grown-ups react the same way or do the right thing whatever that is in each circumstance.

Not a good idea for any of us to start casting stones. Coulda woulda shoulda... 

I find this judgy. 

[BSR]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Everyone was taking Quaaludes in the 80s. Hardly shocking.

Again, if they were slipped drugs without their knowledge or consent, I would change my tune.  But it sounds like the women took quaaludes voluntarily, whether to get high or to get through the trauma of sex with the creepy geriatric. 

To be clear, I am not judging these women for being part of Hefner's bizarre sex harem.  I am judging them for trying to portray themselves as victims when the reality is they were adults who could have walked away whenever they chose to.

[xyz48B]

18 minutes ago, BSR said:

adults who could have walked away whenever they chose to

That’s not necessarily the case at all. The assumption that it is drips with misunderstanding of how sexual coercion and abuse work – particularly when the culprit is rich and famous. 

[BSR]

Just now, xyz48B said:

That’s not necessarily the case at all. The assumption that it is drips with misunderstanding of how sexual coercion and abuse work – particularly when the culprit is rich and famous. 

OK then, I'll wait until I see evidence of coercion.  Even though Hefner is dead, I'll still presume he committed no crime unless solid proof emerges saying otherwise.

Honestly, it sounds like the women submitted to all the grossness in hopes of money or career opportunity.  Now that the window of opportunity has closed, they're hoping to milk 15 more minutes of fame with this exposé.

I read the tragic story of a sex slave in the local paper.  Because this woman grew up in a poor family and had no prospects after HS graduation, she took up the offer of a charming smooth-talker to move to Las Vegas.  Once he had her alone in Vegas without her family, he went from charming to violent.  He forced her into prostitution to make money for him.  He beat her when she didn't make enough on a given night.  And if she ever tried to leave, he threatened to kill her family.  She ended up killed in a car crash caused by her pimp getting into a shootout while driving.  My heart broke for this woman because she had no way out.

Hefner's "girlfriends" had a way out.  They could have left right at the get-go or walked away at any point thereafter.  Hefner might have been creepy and gross, might have treated his "girlfriends" in awful ways, but if he never forced them to stay, then that's on them.  That said, I'll keep an open mind.  Maybe some details will emerge in this documentary that will change my mind.

[pubic_assistance]

35 minutes ago, xyz48B said:

That’s not necessarily the case at all. The assumption that it is drips with misunderstanding of how sexual coercion and abuse work – particularly when the culprit is rich and famous. 

There is never any "misunderstanding" about sex at the Playboy Mansion. No one has ever walked through those gates shocked to discover that sex with rich and famous people was part of the invitation.

That is what is SO disingenuous about claiming sexual impropriety. You're there to have sex. So don't act shocked when it happens. 

[+ WilliamM]

7 minutes ago, BSR said:

OK then, I'll wait until I see evidence of coercion.  Even though Hefner is dead, I'll still presume he committed no crime unless solid proof emerges saying otherwise.

Honestly, it sounds like the women submitted to all the grossness in hopes of money or career opportunity.  Now that the window of opportunity has closed, they're hoping to milk 15 more minutes of fame with this exposé.

I read the tragic story of a sex slave in the local paper.  Because this woman grew up in a poor family and had no prospects after HS graduation, she took up the offer of a charming smooth-talker to move to Las Vegas.  Once he had her alone in Vegas without her family, he went from charming to violent.  He forced her into prostitution to make money for him.  He beat her when she didn't make enough on a given night.  And if she ever tried to leave, he threatened to kill her family.  She ended up killed in a car crash caused by her pimp getting into a shootout while driving.  My heart broke for this woman because she had no way out.

Hefner's "girlfriends" had a way out.  They could have left right at the get-go or walked away at any point thereafter.  Hefner might have been creepy and gross, might have treated his "girlfriends" in awful ways, but if he never forced them to stay, then that's on them.  That said, I'll keep an open mind.  Maybe some details will emerge in this documentary that will change my mind.

Back in the 1970s, misguided  idiots slipped damagingl drugs in people's drinks a lot. And in my drink once.  Luckily I had a job and several days to recover mentally.

[BSR]

20 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

There is never any "misunderstanding" about sex at the Playboy Mansion. No one has ever walked through those gates shocked to discover that sex with rich and famous people was part of the invitation.

That is what is SO disingenuous about claiming sexual impropriety. You're there to have sex. So don't act shocked when it happens. 

LOL, so true, kinda like Claude Raines shocked that there's gambling in Casablanca. 

[+ FreshFluff]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Everyone was taking Quaaludes in the 80s. Hardly shocking.

The gfs lived with Hef in the aughts.

[pubic_assistance]

19 minutes ago, BSR said:

LOL, so true, kinda like Claude Raines shocked that there's gambling in Casablanca. 

Precisely.