Onlyfans to ban Sexually Explicit Content starting October 1st

[lonely_john]

5 hours ago, tassojunior said:

Rentman and RentMasseur are both safely in Berlin.

They are in the Netherlands.

Edited August 22, 2021 by lonely_john

[+ MysticMenace]

The few OF creators I am subscribe to have mentioned OF would ban their accounts if they show sexually explicit content starting December 1.

[+ tassojunior]

1 hour ago, JoeMendoza said:

The few OF creators I am subscribe to have mentioned OF would ban their accounts if they show sexually explicit content starting December 1.

Yet another excuse for Reno not to suck dick. 

[BuffaloKyle]

It is indeed because of the credit card companies. 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/20/tech/onlyfans-explicit-content-ban-payment/index.html

[+ José Soplanucas]

 

[+ Axiom2001]

One sex worker acquaintance of mine posted on his Facebook page yesterday about OnlyFans' action.  He encouraged others to jump ship and find themselves at Just-for-Fans. 

He posted the OnlyFans' letter onto his Instagram account to spread the word as well.

I wish all of the best to the suppliers in their providing some very hot play to their subscribers. 

 

[Mustang]

[+ IronMaus]

Credit Card companies change of policy is the result of greater efforts and the middle of the story - we are going to see a lot more sites go down in the near future. Porn is under attack systematically and the industry's opposition have enough resources to seriously jeopardize Porn's availability and relevance. Here is an overview of the situation I copied from https://twitter.com/PostCultRev/status/1428584133555482630

"A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong, and the reality of it is a lot more damaging and concerning to both the livelihood of sex workers and online freedom in general. OnlyFans isn’t ditching porn and sex workers because it’s trying to get new investments. It’s ditching them because on October 1st of 2021 MasterCard is implementing new rules governing sites with adult content that use their payment processing systems.

These rules will basically require that OnlyFans (and every other site that accepts MasterCard payments) not only fully verify every user and every person who appears in every adult video, but review all posted content before publication, including real-time review of livestreams.

The new records-keeping, review processes, verification and other requirements are going to be expensive and time-consuming. OnlyFans seems to have decided it’s not worth it. More importantly though, these rules will put incredible pressure on smaller sites and indie creators. Of course, they could just decide not to accept MasterCard, but it’s likely Visa and others will follow suit eventually.

So why the rule changes? Because last December the New York Times published an opinion piece by Nick Kristof caller “The Children of Pornhub” that accused the site and its parent company of profiting off revenge porn, child porn and sex trafficking. Which, to be clear, they kinda were. PornHub was notoriously bad among the tube sites for its reckless lack of content moderation and exploitation of the people whose videos ended up there. Because of the story, Visa and MasterCard both cut PornHub off.

PornHub has since moved to a model where it only posts verified users, but the big payment processors haven’t relented, and are looking to remove themselves from any other business that might be involved in sex trafficking, non-consensual content, etc. Hence the rule changes.

But here’s the thing: Kristof’s story might have been correct on some of PornHub’s abuses but it was deeply manipulative and painfully wrongheaded about sex trafficking in porn and, like almost anything he writes about sex, a filtered version of Christian dominionistic propaganda. One of the primary sources in Kristof’s article is Traffickinghub founder Laila Mickelwait. She also works for the group Exodus Cry, a Christian group that is among other things anti-sex, anti-homosexuality and, naturally, anti-Semitic.

Groups like this don’t care about sex trafficking or non-consensual videos on a porn site. Those are footholds to their broader goal, which is to destroy the entire sex industry. That the majority of it is legal and consensual is pointless; they want it all gone on principle. Sex trafficking makes a good narrative toward that goal. It’s why the old anti-porn Morality in the Media group from the 1960s is now called “The National Center on Sexual Exploitation”

Kristof has played this role before. His basic tactic is to use manipulative and manipulated stories of sexual abuse to attack broader institutions. Then he ends up a mouthpiece filtering deeply regressive Evangelical Christian anti-sex mythology to the mainstream is a given.

The attack on PornHub did nothing to stop sex trafficking and a lot to take money out of the legal porn industry. The new MasterCard rules are a direct result of this, which basically means an overwrought Christian anti-sex fever dream is now dictating sexual content online.

Almost the entire anti-trafficking movement is an Evangelical project to get liberal supporters to sign off on a laundry list of Christian anti-sex policies. It’s been one of their most successful propaganda projects. It’s also likely gotten a lot of sex workers killed.

It’s the reason Craigslist and Backpage don’t do classifieds for sex workers, because of trafficking scares, removing a relatively safe way to meet clients and moving workers back to more exploitative and dangerous venues.

Anti-trafficking groups have shut down AIDS programs that worked with sex workers and replaced them with abstinence-only programs. They’ve gotten police doing “trafficking raids” that are just giant crackdowns on consensual sex work, sending more sex workers to jail.

Because that’s the whole point of this. It’s a giant propaganda push, one with real teeth to it, to attack all sex work, legal or otherwise, consensual or not. OnlyFans dropping porn is just the next step. It’s only going to get worse.

Some sources: MasterCard’s rule changes https://xbiz.com/news/258606/heres-what-the-new-mastercard-rules-mean-for-adult-sites-producers… Kristof’s use of Evangelical propaganda https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war-pornhub… OnlyFans actual statement on why they changed policy https://xbiz.com/news/261183/onlyfans-releases-official-statement-about-upcoming-ban-on-sexually-explicit-conduct…

Just going to make sure one point of this thread is clear: MasterCard’s rule changes will do nothing to stop sex trafficking. They might have a marginal effect on non-consensual videos in general but overall these rules are about their own liability, not concern for victims.

The end result of the change is it will be harder to sell sexually explicit content online unless you are part of a major player that can afford the costs to meet the new requirements. Indie sex workers will be driven out and larger companies will be more powerful.

So little to zero assistance for any actual victim of a sex crime and enormous overbearing punishment directed at the creators of legal, consensual work."

[+ IronMaus]

Just now, IronMaus said:

Almost the entire anti-trafficking movement is an Evangelical project to get liberal supporters to sign off on a laundry list of Christian anti-sex policies. It’s been one of their most successful propaganda projects. It’s also likely gotten a lot of sex workers killed.

It’s the reason Craigslist and Backpage don’t do classifieds for sex workers, because of trafficking scares, removing a relatively safe way to meet clients and moving workers back to more exploitative and dangerous venues.

Because that’s the whole point of this. It’s a giant propaganda push, one with real teeth to it, to attack all sex work, legal or otherwise, consensual or not. OnlyFans dropping porn is just the next step. It’s only going to get worse.

Because of how well this is working, we can't see the forest through the trees. This effect is happening as a result of Evangelical, Conservative, and Nationalist efforts in many arenas. They create the perfect firing squad: a circle. So we sit around arguing with each other about what we think are the problems and solutions, meanwhile the source of the problems are pulling the strings and accomplishing more than we see until it is too late.

IMHO I believe this movement is also being supported by Porn at the top - they want their money back before its too late and they aren't in business anymore.

[+ José Soplanucas]

12 minutes ago, IronMaus said:

being supported by Porn at the top - they want their money back before its too late and they aren't in business anymore

I bet you more than one studio is throwing celebratory parties right now. Independent sex workers and porn creators should stop trusting their future on third party companies. They have been empowered by fans pages, but the cannot rely on them anymore.

[+ FreshFluff]

3 minutes ago, latbear4blk said:

I bet you more than one studio is throwing celebratory parties right now. Independent sex workers and porn creators should stop trusting their future on third party companies. They have been empowered by fans pages, but the cannot rely on them anymore.

The studios’ business models will change. Now content creators have gotten a taste of OF, they’re not going back. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

2 minutes ago, FreshFluff said:

The studios’ business models will change. Now content creators have gotten a taste of OF, they’re not going back. 

I used to say the same, but it has not changed at all, despite the independent boom. Anyways, I do not really care about what lesson the studios could or could not learn. I am more interested in what lessons independent creators are or are not learning. Right now, they are doing the only thing they can do in the short term, migrating to a new similar platform.

They already learned that many do not need the studios. I do not know if they will learn that fans pages are equally unreliable. As I say in my blog post, right now Dominic Pacifico and Austin Wolf have a combative, pro-sex workers speech to attract the OnlyFans Ban migration. 

Once they are under attack (they will be), what do you think they will do? Fight for sex workers or pocket their earnings and close shop?

[+ MysticMenace]

sad, but I guess a possible silver lining is now possibly seeing Dante Colle create an RM account if the rest of the fan sites get targeted?

[BuffaloKyle]

They are now changing their minds apparently. An email is going to be going out to performers on their platform soon. 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/tech/onlyfans-suspends-ban/index.html

[maninsoma]

I certainly am not defending Evangelical anti-sex propaganda, but from the sidelines it really does seem curious to me that a company that brings in as much money as OnlyFans does isn't able to better moderate content.  They don't have the money to hire people to (a) review evidence of signed consent of all participants in the videos prior to posting and (b) review evidence that said people are of legal age to consent?  I simply don't think that's true.  Maybe the site owners don't want to spend their money on this, and maybe my understanding of their profit is wrong -- i.e., maybe most of the 20% they collect goes to other expenses.  If that's the case, then they can change the split to something else that brings in enough revenue to hire staff for verification work.

I say this because I do think it's important that a site like OnlyFans prevents itself from aiding people who would exploit others sexually for monetary gain and profiting themselves along the way.  I don't think it's right-wing to think this way. 

[+ IronMaus]

1 hour ago, maninsoma said:

...a company that brings in as much money as OnlyFans does isn't able to better moderate content.  They don't have the money to hire people to (a) review evidence of signed consent of all participants in the videos prior to posting and (b) review evidence that said people are of legal age to consent?  I simply don't think that's true.  Maybe the site owners don't want to spend their money on this, and maybe my understanding of their profit is wrong -- i.e., maybe most of the 20% they collect goes to other expenses.  If that's the case, then they can change the split to something else that brings in enough revenue to hire staff for verification work.

I say this because I do think it's important that a site like OnlyFans prevents itself from aiding people who would exploit others sexually for monetary gain and profiting themselves along the way.  I don't think it's right-wing to think this way. 

It's not right-wing to want these sites to be as responsible as they can - but this is just the excuse others are using to take them down. The truth is we wouldn't have this sort of material and behavior if we viewed sex differently, and no matter how much you spend on preventing this sort of behavior someone will get through the cracks and the right-wing entities will exploit that.

If it were the real concern, then we would actually be going after the people that exploit others sexually, post revenge/rape porn for money. But we don't hear about individuals who have done these things and what is being done to address them. We are blaming the site for their behavior and supposing that if the site weren't there the behavior wouldn't be either.

Backpage worked hard to prevent sex traffickers and such on their site - even helped the US government sting and catch people using the site. Makes sense to use sites to help track people down and such right? Because it benefits not only sex workers but other intended victims. This didn't help them in the end. They were a website that provided a safe environment for SWers all over the world, making it harder for people to take advantage of us. Nobody cared in the end because groups like Exodus Cry found a way for the world to see them as "the largest sex trafficking site in the world" - and Democrats/Republicans alike rejoiced in "taking them down".

Meanwhile, when you shut these sites down, you only move this behavior to other - often harder to track and monitor - venues. Sex traffickers have it a lot easier now than they did before SESTA/FOSTA becuase we've moved them onto the dark web and hiding in plain site on the street. But we are constantly hearing in the news about sex traffic operations being shut down. But actually its mostly massage parlors, with employees that are way more fucked when they are sent back to where they came from or put into the system in America.

[+ IronMaus]

For every 1 case of revenge porn on Pornhub or porn sites, there are 20 on Twitter and Facebook. But Exodus Cry isn't trying to take down Twitter and Facebook because so much of what they accomplish happens because of these websites. All of our attention is being directed and our opinions being formed by entities we aren't aware of or barely hear from.

[Guest]

17 hours ago, IronMaus said:

...

"A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong, and the reality of it is a lot more damaging and concerning to both the livelihood of sex workers and online freedom in general. OnlyFans isn’t ditching porn and sex workers because it’s trying to get new investments. It’s ditching them because on October 1st of 2021 MasterCard is implementing new rules governing sites with adult content that use their payment processing systems.

...

 

Seems simple enough. Just don't accept Mastercard. When I go to Costco, I have to use a Visa card. I'd prefer to use other cards, but it's not that big a deal. 

[Guest]

On 8/21/2021 at 6:18 PM, lonely_john said:

They are in the Netherlands.

I'm usually in the Nether Regions...😏

[+ IronMaus]

45 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

Seems simple enough. Just don't accept Mastercard. When I go to Costco, I have to use a Visa card. I'd prefer to use other cards, but it's not that big a deal. 

Many if not most people are using their bank cards to pay and get paid with these sites - they don't get to choose if it's a Visa card or not. Opening a new bank account/having a 2nd bank account to get around this is a lot of effort on the part of the consumer/worker to get around a problem that other cards are likely to develop - especially if its a business checking account. And starting a credit card to pay for porn...well that's asking for trouble lol

[MikeBiDude]

OnlyFans reverses their decision

[nate_sf]

5 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said:

OnlyFans reverses their decision

This is the text from the email I received this morning from OnlyFans:

Dear OnlyFans Creator,

Our Acceptable Use Policy will remain the same and may be found at: https://onlyfans.com/terms

The proposed October 1, 2021 changes are no longer required due to banking partners' assurances that OnlyFans can support all genres of creators.

OnlyFans is committed to providing a safe and dependable platform for all creators and their fans.

Thank you,
OnlyFans Team

[+ JEC]

30 minutes ago, nate_sf said:

This is the text from the email I received this morning from OnlyFans:

Dear OnlyFans Creator,

Our Acceptable Use Policy will remain the same and may be found at: https://onlyfans.com/terms

The proposed October 1, 2021 changes are no longer required due to banking partners' assurances that OnlyFans can support all genres of creators.

OnlyFans is committed to providing a safe and dependable platform for all creators and their fans.

Thank you,
OnlyFans Team

Weird.  Publicity stunt?  Used to gain some sort of leverage? 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, JEC said:

Weird.  Publicity stunt?  Used to gain some sort of leverage? 

It has me scratching my head as well. Does anyone pay for an OnlyFans account for some reason other than the explicit content?

[+ MysticMenace]

probably one of the executives in those credit card companies or banking partners are huge OF subscribers. lol