What age is too old?

[HotWhiteThirties]

8 hours ago, liubit said:

I have always liked young guys, in the 18-25 age bracket. ... I have never had sex with a guy older than 35. 

 

7 hours ago, Lucky said:

Dang! That counts me out!

Well dern, me too, @Lucky  😢

[MscleLovr]

On 7/4/2021 at 4:08 PM, liubit said:

I have never had sex with a guy older than 35. 

I’m with @liubit as I always found young men aged 23-28 to be perfect for me. At that age, they were passionate and eager to please, while having experience and being ready to explore their sexuality. 
 

My preferred age-group was tested by dating a very fit, muscled guy of 40, a bottom who was sexually voracious and very compliant.

[Rudynate]

I'm 70 yo.  The last few years, I have been getting into guys who are well into middle age -(45 - 60) but still younger than I am.   There's a 79-yo in PHX who I chat with on another app, that I am very interested  in .  Enough so that I might travel to PHX to see him.   My husband is o 71 and we still have an active sex life, with the help of PDE5 inhibitors.    I have been chatting with  an early-40s leather muscleman on another app for  years.  Just this weekend, we agreed it's time to meet.

[FewBricksShy]

Call me cynical, but young guys who say they like daddies likely don’t like daddies nearly as much as they like the stability and security and pampering that comes with a financially established man. If a 28-yo could be a sugar daddy for these guys, they’d take that over a 40-plus-yo. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

I am 39.  On a cruise last month, I hooked up multiple times with a 20 year old, a 30 year old, and a 62 year old.  No money was exchanged.  I actually prefered the 62 year old for sex.

Edited July 25, 2022 by Vegas_nw1982

[CuriousByNature]

24 minutes ago, Vegas_nw1982 said:

I am 39.  On a cruise last month, I hooked up multiple times with a 20 year old, a 30 year old, and a 62 year old.  No money was exchanged.  I actually prefered the 62 year old for sex.

Were these guys fellow travellers on the cruise?  

 

[BtmBearDad]

I’m 52, and I’ve being going grey/silver since I was a teenager. That’s always given me at least the visual appearance of looking older. My first experiences were with guys my age, or a bit older. I was never hung up on age - it has always been about the attributes for me. If a gent tics my boxes, his age isn’t an issue.

I will say that in this hobby, the vast majority of gents I’ve engaged have been younger than me in the say 25 to 45 bracket. I’m sure part of that, (the younger ones), is down to them reminding me of someone from my past I lusted over from afar lol 

The youngest gent I engaged from this hobby was a 20 yo in London, the oldest was a 58 yo in NYC. Both were many years ago, both ticked my boxes, and both were thoroughly enjoyable. 

As far as the whole “daddy” thing goes - I remember the first time a guy called me that mid-congress. It was a Greek fellow I was dating, only about 8 years younger, getting his doctorate in physical therapy. Thickly muscled, hairy, olive complexion, and as I remember, the softest skin. He was a bit shorter than me at 5’7”, but we made it work. He was the first to call me “daddy” - and I was mortified! “Does he think I’m really old enough to be his dad? I’m only 34!” 😂 But in the intervening decades, I’ve more or less embraced being looked at, and referred to as a daddy. As @HotWhiteThirties noted, daddies are in vogue, so I’m finally on trend!

I really don’t think there’s anything as “too old” at least in this aspect of life (in others, yes). If the captain has a sea worthy vessel, sail it! 

I tip my hat to all you fellows 10, 20, 30 years older that are still active, and enjoying this aspect of life. I hope to follow in your footsteps, knock wood! 

At the end of the day, each of us like what we like - both in this hobby, and IRL. You like twink, you like muscle; you like smooth, you like bear; you like shorter, you like taller; you like preppy white guys, you like other ethnic guys; you like older, you like younger; ad infinitum. Like what you like, and just enjoy it! As my dear old Nan used to remark, life is too hard, and too short to not be happy. I try to live my life with this as my guide. No judgments, no second guessing, no regrets. 
 

BBD 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

21 hours ago, CuriousByNature said:

Were these guys fellow travellers on the cruise?  

 

One was a cruise passenger, one was a cruise officer, and one was a college kid in town at one of the ports. My point is that I enjoy all ages.  62 is probably the oldest I've had so far for a one-on-one session.  But when I was 29 I enjoyed a man who was 59.  That was my biggest age difference so far (other than oral).  The older I get, I'm sure I'll exceed that 30 year age difference but in the other direction

Edited July 26, 2022 by Vegas_nw1982

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

3 hours ago, BtmBearDad said:

He was the first to call me “daddy” - and I was mortified! “Does he think I’m really old enough to be his dad? I’m only 34!”

I was 31 when a 30 year old called me "daddy".  I, too, was mortified when it happened.  But I embraced it before I even turned 32

[dbar123]

When I was 63 I hired a young 20’something who called me “daddy” in a soft, longing and sincere way. It was a real turn on.

Im 68 now and in better shape than ever. Still hiring but I prefer 35-50 yr old guys..the sweet spot for me.

[CuriousByNature]

5 hours ago, Vegas_nw1982 said:

One was a cruise passenger, one was a cruise officer, and one was a college kid in town at one of the ports. My point is that I enjoy all ages.  62 is probably the oldest I've had so far for a one-on-one session.  But when I was 29 I enjoyed a man who was 59.  That way my biggest age difference so far.  The older I get, I'm sure I'll exceed that 30 year age difference but in the other direction

It sounds like you could write some great posts for the True Travel Stories thread, or whatever it is called.  The most exciting thing to happen to me on a cruise has been ziplining... lol.

[MscleLovr]

12 hours ago, BtmBearDad said:

I was mortified! “Does he think I’m really old enough to be his dad? I’m only 34!”

I can beat that @BtmBearDad.

I was only 31 when a mutual friend confided that a hot young man (22/23) was in lust for me: “he thinks you’re the perfect older man”

[gallahadesquire]

I cannot stand being called”Daddyl” and I’m 71.

[Rudynate]

23 hours ago, FewBricksShy said:

Call me cynical, but young guys who say they like daddies likely don’t like daddies nearly as much as they like the stability and security and pampering that comes with a financially established man. If a 28-yo could be a sugar daddy for these guys, they’d take that over a 40-plus-yo. 

True for some, sure.  But my experience as a well-kept 70 yo tells me that that there plenty of young men out there who really are attracted to men a lot older than they are. 

[FewBricksShy]

42 minutes ago, Rudynate said:

there plenty of young men out there who really are attracted to men a lot older than they are. 

“Plenty” is probably relative term. Plenty when “well kept” includes financial benefits, I’m sure. A “well kept” 70 yo likely has a decent home, more than a few life pleasures, and enough income to be generous. I’m not suggesting it’s bad. I’m simply saying I struggle to believe the attraction is strictly age related or physical.

“There plenty of guys out there who really are attracted to men INSERT COMPARATIVE ADJECTIVE than they are.”

That can probably be said for any parameters  under the right constellation of circumstances. Dumber. Smarter. Thinner. Fatter. Poorer. Richer. Better employed. “Plenty” is a matter of perspective. To someone who has, plenty is a lot different than to someone who doesn’t.

The real test is if these younger guys, escorts in particular, would still be attracted and spending time with guys so much older than them if the money situation changed. “For richer, for poorer?”

[BtmBearDad]

I don’t think it’s fair to compare gents who escort with gents who don’t in terms of what, who they’re attracted to. 

The former are providing a service, and the majority of them are able to provide that service to all, regardless of age. The really good ones are able to do so in a way that allows you, the client, to believe that yes, they really are into you. Are there providers who are very much into older gents? Yes. Many state it in their ad, and while that may be their preferred connection IRL, in business they’re still open to all. 

As for the latter, the gents who don’t escort, there really are plenty of guys who do gravitate towards older men in their attractions. While “plenty” is a relative term, (my definition may different from yours, and another guy’s definition may be different from both), I’m using it here to distinguish from what others would call a niche market. Taking the ones hunting for sugar daddies, whose attraction is more transactional, out of the equation for a moment, and you will find guys into older gents. It’s the age, the s&p, the fur, the life experience, the “dad bod”, etc. of the older guy that draws the younger guy. While financial security is nice, I don’t know one older/younger relationship, (between 12-30 years age differences in the couples I know), where they both aren’t working. 

It’s easy to be cynical as gays can be ageist but that is not 100% true for 100% of gay men. Granted, they’re not in the majority, but they’re certainly not a niche market either. 

Just my 2 cents!

BBD 

[Rudynate]

4 hours ago, FewBricksShy said:

“Plenty” is probably relative term. Plenty when “well kept” includes financial benefits, I’m sure. A “well kept” 70 yo likely has a decent home, more than a few life pleasures, and enough income to be generous. I’m not suggesting it’s bad. I’m simply saying I struggle to believe the attraction is strictly age related or physical.

“There plenty of guys out there who really are attracted to men INSERT COMPARATIVE ADJECTIVE than they are.”

That can probably be said for any parameters  under the right constellation of circumstances. Dumber. Smarter. Thinner. Fatter. Poorer. Richer. Better employed. “Plenty” is a matter of perspective. To someone who has, plenty is a lot different than to someone who doesn’t.

The real test is if these younger guys, escorts in particular, would still be attracted and spending time with guys so much older than them if the money situation changed. “For richer, for poorer?”

 

2 hours ago, BtmBearDad said:

I don’t think it’s fair to compare gents who escort with gents who don’t in terms of what, who they’re attracted to. 

The former are providing a service, and the majority of them are able to provide that service to all, regardless of age. The really good ones are able to do so in a way that allows you, the client, to believe that yes, they really are into you. Are there providers who are very much into older gents? Yes. Many state it in their ad, and while that may be their preferred connection IRL, in business they’re still open to all. 

As for the latter, the gents who don’t escort, there really are plenty of guys who do gravitate towards older men in their attractions. While “plenty” is a relative term, (my definition may different from yours, and another guy’s definition may be different from both), I’m using it here to distinguish from what others would call a niche market. Taking the ones hunting for sugar daddies, whose attraction is more transactional, out of the equation for a moment, and you will find guys into older gents. It’s the age, the s&p, the fur, the life experience, the “dad bod”, etc. of the older guy that draws the younger guy. While financial security is nice, I don’t know one older/younger relationship, (between 12-30 years age differences in the couples I know), where they both aren’t working. 

It’s easy to be cynical as gays can be ageist but that is not 100% true for 100% of gay men. Granted, they’re not in the majority, but they’re certainly not a niche market either. 

Just my 2 cents!

BBD 

This.

[Rudynate]

4 hours ago, FewBricksShy said:

“Plenty” is probably relative term. Plenty when “well kept” includes financial benefits, I’m sure. A “well kept” 70 yo likely has a decent home, more than a few life pleasures, and enough income to be generous. I’m not suggesting it’s bad. I’m simply saying I struggle to believe the attraction is strictly age related or physical.

“There plenty of guys out there who really are attracted to men INSERT COMPARATIVE ADJECTIVE than they are.”

That can probably be said for any parameters  under the right constellation of circumstances. Dumber. Smarter. Thinner. Fatter. Poorer. Richer. Better employed. “Plenty” is a matter of perspective. To someone who has, plenty is a lot different than to someone who doesn’t.

The real test is if these younger guys, escorts in particular, would still be attracted and spending time with guys so much older than them if the money situation changed. “For richer, for poorer?”

 

You might be running with the wrong crowd if you have young "friends" who need to be paid to hang with you who are not escorts.  And it is true that one's options narrow the older one gets.  I started preparing myself emotionally for this 30-40 years ago, so it isn't a surprise or shock that it's happened and I cope fine.  One of the ways I cope is by staying very "well-kept." 

 

I have heard of situations where client and escort become close friends and it changes the relationship.   But ordinarily, escorts are service providers who get paid for what they do.  Why would you think that they wanted to hang out with you off the clock?

[Rudynate]

5 hours ago, FewBricksShy said:

“Plenty” is probably relative term. Plenty when “well kept” includes financial benefits, I’m sure. A “well kept” 70 yo likely has a decent home, more than a few life pleasures, and enough income to be generous. I’m not suggesting it’s bad. I’m simply saying I struggle to believe the attraction is strictly age related or physical.

“There plenty of guys out there who really are attracted to men INSERT COMPARATIVE ADJECTIVE than they are.”

That can probably be said for any parameters  under the right constellation of circumstances. Dumber. Smarter. Thinner. Fatter. Poorer. Richer. Better employed. “Plenty” is a matter of perspective. To someone who has, plenty is a lot different than to someone who doesn’t.

The real test is if these younger guys, escorts in particular, would still be attracted and spending time with guys so much older than them if the money situation changed. “For richer, for poorer?”

 

Not all young guys are attracted to wealth and prestige.  When I was in my 20's, I met my share of older men who were in positions to do a lot for me.    I always kept them at arm's length because I didn't want to give them an opportunity to control me..   I had seen what being kept was  like and I though "No thanks."

 

[FewBricksShy]

1 hour ago, Rudynate said:

1) You might be running with the wrong crowd if you have young "friends" who need to be paid to hang with you who are not escorts.  And it is true that one's options narrow the older one gets.  I started preparing myself emotionally for this 30-40 years ago, so it isn't a surprise or shock that it's happened and I cope fine.  One of the ways I cope is by staying very "well-kept." 

 

I have heard of situations where client and escort become close friends and it changes the relationship.   But ordinarily, escorts are service providers who get paid for what they do.  2)Why would you think that they wanted to hang out with you off the clock?

1) What in the world gave you the impression that’s the case for me?

2) What in what I wrote led you to think I meant that?

 I was speaking to the circumstances around “plenty of guys” that like X, in particular younger guys who like older guys and why that’s the case. I’m perfectly aware I’m not what most guys like who I find the most superficially attractive aside from my ability to pay. I’ve made peace with that. But I don’t pay my friends, straight or gay. That’s almost insulting you even thought let alone wrote it…The difference is I don’t look for my friends, straight or gay, to find me attractive or want to fuck me. 

[FewBricksShy]

4 hours ago, BtmBearDad said:

It’s easy to be cynical as gays can be ageist but that is not 100% true for 100% of gay men. Granted, they’re not in the majority, but they’re certainly not a niche market either.

Eh. Copout. Nothing is 100% except death. That’s 100%. 

[Rudynate]

4 minutes ago, FewBricksShy said:

1) What in the world gave you the impression that’s the case for me?

2) What in what I wrote led you to think I meant that?

 I was speaking to the circumstances around “plenty of guys” that like X, in particular younger guys who like older guys and why that’s the case. I’m perfectly aware I’m not what most guys like who I find the most superficially attractive aside from my ability to pay. I’ve made peace with that. But I don’t pay my friends, straight or gay. That’s almost insulting you even thought let alone wrote it…The difference is I don’t look for my friends, straight or gay, to find me attractive or want to fuck me. 

 

You wrote it  - whether you intended to or not.

[Rudynate]

35 minutes ago, FewBricksShy said:

1) What in the world gave you the impression that’s the case for me?

2) What in what I wrote led you to think I meant that?

 I was speaking to the circumstances around “plenty of guys” that like X, in particular younger guys who like older guys and why that’s the case. I’m perfectly aware I’m not what most guys like who I find the most superficially attractive aside from my ability to pay. I’ve made peace with that. But I don’t pay my friends, straight or gay. That’s almost insulting you even thought let alone wrote it…The difference is I don’t look for my friends, straight or gay, to find me attractive or want to fuck me. 

Whenever anyone starts to complain about the obvious - that escorts are in it for the money-as though they are the first to have discovered this dirty little secret - it makes me think that they need a new hobby.

[FewBricksShy]

14 minutes ago, Rudynate said:

Whenever anyone starts to complain about the obvious - that escorts are in it for the money-as though they are the first to have discovered this dirty little secret - it makes me think that they need a new hobby.

 

I didn’t write it. You read into it what you wanted to read because you decided I “need a new hobby.” Newsflash: not your decision to make  😉 

I wasn’t complaining about escorts making money. You’re projecting. I was saying that money is a key motivator for young men who like older men. That’s my opinion and quite frankly, no one is going to change it. (I’m not changing your opinion either, now am I?) You imported a lot into what I wrote to argue your own points. Of course the escorts will hook up with older men for money. No one’s arguing that. That’s the work. I find it interesting, in fact, from a business standpoint, the escorts who won’t meetup with just about anyone. But would they hook up with older men for no money? That’s the test.

[Rudynate]

1 hour ago, FewBricksShy said:

 

I didn’t write it. You read into it what you wanted to read because you decided I “need a new hobby.” Newsflash: not your decision to make  😉 

I wasn’t complaining about escorts making money. You’re projecting. I was saying that money is a key motivator for young men who like older men. That’s my opinion and quite frankly, no one is going to change it. (I’m not changing your opinion either, now am I?) You imported a lot into what I wrote to argue your own points. Of course the escorts will hook up with older men for money. No one’s arguing that. That’s the work. I find it interesting, in fact, from a business standpoint, the escorts who won’t meetup with just about anyone. But would they hook up with older men for no money? That’s the test.

What is it that you are trying to prove with your test?  That escorts are in it for the money?  We already know that. I do know one escort well enough to have discussed this very topic with him.  He only gets together with paying clients.  He told me he found it satisfying and felt no need to hook up with anybody recreationally outside of work.  He is very well known and very well thought of.  So what does your test say about him that we don't already know?    And why even think about it anyway.  The fact that escorts charge for their services is a non-negotiable feature of the relationship. 

And of course it is not uncommon for younger men to get together with daddies for gifts, travel and favors., etc.   We even have a word for them - sugarbabies.  

I just don't understand what you think you have discovered that we don't already know.   I might think differently about it I chased younger men, but I don't.  The youngest guys I go after are in their 40s. 

I have a social media relationship with an affluent daddy in SoCal who sponsors young bodybuilders and he talks about how he occasionally has to yank his boys' chains by threatening to cut back on the food coaching and steroids.