Some days, I just don’t know...

[+ WilliamM]

@Jarrod_Uncut is smart enough to figure it our, hire a professional, etc.

 

Back to subject 450/750 rent is "livable", most cities have hire rents.

 

In what neighborhoods?

[Lchnsf]

Social Networking. One of the things that an escort has to do to succeed is social networking. There are many other people out there that have good skills in their respective fields but suck at Social Networking. I’m one of them. Perhaps you get make $$$ helping others grow their businesses through social networking.

 

A colleague was planning on writing a book and when she approached a publisher one of the first questions they asked was how many followers she had through the different social networks, she ended up hiring someone to do her social networking and this has helped her business boom.

 

This would also allow you to work from home and maintain your business and schedule.

[marylander1940]

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[marylander1940]

Social Networking. One of the things that an escort has to do to succeed is social networking. There are many other people out there that have good skills in their respective fields but suck at Social Networking. I’m one of them. Perhaps you get make $$$ helping others grow their businesses through social networking.

 

A colleague was planning on writing a book and when she approached a publisher one of the first questions they asked was how many followers she had through the different social networks, she ended up hiring someone to do her social networking and this has helped her business boom.

 

Agreed!

 

This forum is also a way to network.

 

For instance the OP @Jarrod_Uncut has posted on here about future cities to call home, etc.

[+ WilliamM]

@Jarrod_Uncut is smart enough to figure it our, hire a professional, etc.

 

Back to subject 450/750 rent is "livable", most cities have hire rents.

You don't have the professional background to be providing in depth pre-purchase advice. Unless u have a real estate license

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Social Networking. One of the things that an escort has to do to succeed is social networking. There are many other people out there that have good skills in their respective fields but suck at Social Networking. I’m one of them. Perhaps you get make $$$ helping others grow their businesses through social networking.

 

A colleague was planning on writing a book and when she approached a publisher one of the first questions they asked was how many followers she had through the different social networks, she ended up hiring someone to do her social networking and this has helped her business boom.

 

This would also allow you to work from home and maintain your business and schedule.

 

Well true, that’s what I’ve been doing more of the past couple years. Pressing on social media, fans sites, etc.

 

One of my clients has a company that promotes his biz on Instagram and such as well. However, I’m still trying to navigate the waters. It seems like one really needs a porn backing to propel their social media presence. And that’s been the issue lately, trying to land with a studio from afar. I’ve since kind of toned down and just kind of let it go, after applying for a few studios and hearing nothing back, and just being on social media watching other porn stars promote, gets depressing after awhile.

 

I don’t know if many porn guys have people promoting them, but I don’t really have time to do too much of it myself. Between travel, hobbies, and clients...I don’t have a lot of time to tweet and retweet round the clock like I see some guys do. Some days, I barely have time to come on here lol. But if I start a thread/conversation, I feel it’s only courteous to keep up with it.

 

Sometimes I appreciate being able to just escort, just do nude photo shoots, and go about life...versus getting into the rat race of being a celebrity all the time. At this point, everybody has a just for fans, everybody is a RentMan, everybody and their mother is the next big porn Star. I literally see a new porn star on Twitter with 100,000+ followers everyday, who I never heard of.

 

When I’m still sitting at a little over 1,000...what can I say. At this point, I can only depend on me and my clients to make ends meet, not “followers”. I know social media is a powerful tool and I want more followers, but I just can’t live for it. I have noticed my following has been going up, but it’s been gradual. May not be 100,000 but when I notice 3-4 followers a day, I’m not complaining ??‍♂️

Edited October 29, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Even if you didn't escort you still would need a place to live.

 

750 a months is not bad... obviously in a big city you would have more clients and pay more for rent, the market might be more competitive too.

 

The point of the story wasn’t about the figure of $750 being expensive or cheap. The point was: The same apartment is over 50% the cost it was, 10 years ago. Yes I know, $750 is cheap in most cities. But San Antonio was also one of those places where $100 was the expected rate, not the tip like in some upscale markets. Not to say San Antonio isn’t upscale either, but it’s generally low cost of living. Unless they did something in that neighborhood to spruce it up (my last apartment in Nashville went up $150 when Music City Mercedes dealership was built nearby)...that area of town for $495 wasn’t necessarily WEHO

 

Why do I need to prove I can afford something that’s been paid for 500 times over the last 30-40 years ??‍♂️“.

 

You’re kidding, right? I would never lease a rental property, regardless of its age, without credit and income checks. As @marylander1940 stated, $750 is reasonable for a big city like San Antonio.

 

Nope, dead ass serious. My condo in Denver I rented with no credit or income checks. He just wanted to rent it. I had the money. I stayed for 5 years.

 

I’m aware that’s far and few in between, but it’s possible. And like I said above, it’s not about whether $750 is reasonable or not, the point was it’s costing escorts MORE to rent a place to host, than it did even 5 years ago. I do believe COVID is going to cause these things to change in a couple of years, but it’s still where we are at (it’s usually a gradual change). With so many people dying, there should be less demand for living space, and more vacancies which should equate to lowering rents.

 

And to add: that same 1 bedroom place in San Antonio for $755, I’ve seen a place going for a little less than that in the Midwest: 2 bedrooms, and a full deck. So what’s reasonable isn’t always “the best value” your can find. I knew guys in Denver paying $1,000 a month for a box. When I was paying $600 for a condo. But $1,000 was “reasonable” for Denver. $1,000 my ass, that’s too much for rent every month regardless of city!

 

When I see what $1,200 can buy for a car maintenance that will last years and do much more, versus $1,200 for a recurring monthly expense in some dank apartment not including utilities, is expensive. People don’t understand the perception of an escort’s pay. People are used to having paychecks, and having bills automatically deducted. But when you’re working client by client, your perception of how much things cost becomes clearer.

 

I have some “friends“ who live in a house, drive luxury/sport cars...but when I suggest they feed their dog canned food sometimes (and have even brought some out of my own escort money), it’s “he’s big and it will cost so much”. $10 a week for canned food is too much, but not a house and car note?

Edited October 29, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[marylander1940]

The point of the story wasn’t about the figure of $750 being expensive or cheap. The point was: The same apartment is over 50% the cost it was, 10 years ago. Yes I know, $750 is cheap in most cities. But San Antonio was also one of those places where $100 was the expected rate, not the tip like in some upscale markets. Not to say San Antonio isn’t upscale either, but it’s generally low cost of living. Unless they did something in that neighborhood to spruce it up (my last apartment in Nashville went up $150 when Music City Mercedes dealership was built nearby)...that area of town for $495 wasn’t necessarily WEHO

 

 

 

Nope, dead ass serious. My condo in Denver I rented with no credit or income checks. He just wanted to rent it. I had the money. I stayed for 5 years.

 

I’m aware that’s far and few in between, but it’s possible. And like I said above, it’s not about whether $750 is reasonable or not, the point was it’s costing escorts MORE to rent a place to host, than it did even 5 years ago. I do believe COVID is going to cause these things to change in a couple of years, but it’s still where we are at (it’s usually a gradual change). With so many people dying, there should be less demand for living space, and more vacancies which should equate to lowering rents.

 

And to add: that same 1 bedroom place in San Antonio for $755, I’ve seen a place going for a little less than that in the Midwest: 2 bedrooms, and a full deck. So what’s reasonable isn’t always “the best value” your can find. I knew guys in Denver paying $1,000 a month for a box. When I was paying $600 for a condo. But $1,000 was “reasonable” for Denver. $1,000 my ass, that’s too much for rent every month regardless of city!

 

When I see what $1,200 can buy for a car maintenance that will last years and do much more, versus $1,200 for a recurring monthly expense in some dank apartment not including utilities, is expensive. People don’t understand the perception of an escort’s pay. People are used to having paychecks, and having bills automatically deducted. But when you’re working client by client, your perception of how much things cost becomes clearer.

 

I have some “friends“ who live in a house, drive luxury/sport cars...but when I suggest they feed their dog canned food sometimes (and have even brought some out of my own escort money), it’s “he’s big and it will cost so much”. $10 a week for canned food is too much, but not a house and car note?

 

We're a wealthy country.

 

Things cost money!

 

As I pointed to older posters like me before, housing (renting and owning) and college are way more expensive now than when we graduated. It's a fact!

[Jarrod_Uncut]

We're a wealthy country.

 

But who’s wealthy? I know many of our clients do well financially, but the average gay is just scrapping by and really only has enough for their bills and a little bit of play money. And usually getting by with credit.

 

Since I’ve moved to the Midwest KC/St Louis market, I’ve noticed there’s the pockets of “money” here and there, either in the burbs or the inner city. But once you get outside the metros, and even within the metros: there’s no chance of making any kind of money. You have your uppity gays here and there, but they tend to keep the money to themselves and their cause.

 

So to me, the US is poor in many ways, but it maintains this affluent vibe because it’s all about coming up and looking like you’re doing better than the next person. And it’s only people like Trump and sports players who get to reap the benefits of a filthy rich lifestyle. When I think of wealthy countries/regions, I think of Australia, Japan, Italy and France. Even China. Or places like Dubai and the Netherlands (home of RentMen).

Edited October 29, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[marylander1940]

But who’s wealthy? I know many of our clients do well financially, but the average gay is just scrapping by and really only has enough for their bills and a little bit of play money. And usually getting by with credit.

 

Since I’ve moved to the Midwest KC/St Louis market, I’ve noticed there’s the pockets of “money” here and there, either in the burbs or the inner city. But once you get outside the metros, and even within the metros: there’s no chance of making any kind of money.

 

The question is who has 250/300 extra to hire. Unfortunately most Americans of all ages don't save or just can't save.

[John Doe II]

I highly recommend you read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. It is specifically a sales book. You need to know how to interact with your customers and not get confrontational, no matter what they do. You need to make sure you have glowing reviews. Avoid any negative attention.

 

You may also want to create an onlyfans. Post the naughtiest things there. Don't cheat people out, make sure your fans get more than what they paid for. Go the extra mile there. Also offer to sell additional videos that could be personalised there. The personalised videos will allow you to get clients. Advertise your onlyfans on instagram. Create a separate account just for that on there if you have to. Also create a twitter which you can link to with short naughtier clips that instagram won't allow. Use different methods. You may need to be discrete in advertising your escort services via these platforms but maybe onlyfans, twitter, or even Snapchat could be easier to advertise "private meetups." Consider teaming up doing duos with other escorts that you trust and have chemistry with.

 

$750 is affordable if you can manage even a part time job that pays $12 per hour if you still escort as well.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

I highly recommend you read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. It is specifically a sales book. You need to know how to interact with your customers and not get confrontational, no matter what they do. You need to make sure you have glowing reviews. Avoid any negative attention.

 

You may also want to create an onlyfans. Post the naughtiest things there. Don't cheat people out, make sure your fans get more than what they paid for. Go the extra mile there. Also offer to sell additional videos that could be personalised there. The personalised videos will allow you to get clients. Advertise your onlyfans on instagram. Create a separate account just for that on there if you have to. Also create a twitter which you can link to with short naughtier clips that instagram won't allow. Use different methods. You may need to be discrete in advertising your escort services via these platforms but maybe onlyfans, twitter, or even Snapchat could be easier to advertise "private meetups." Consider teaming up doing duos with other escorts that you trust and have chemistry with.

 

$750 is affordable if you can manage even a part time job that pays $12 per hour if you still escort as well.

 

thanks for the suggestion, but everything you mentioned I’m already doing (except that specific book you mentioned which sounds like a great read). I have Twitter, I have justforfans with 40 videos (for some reason I didn’t like the only fans platform layout, even though JFF takes a bigger cut). It should be on my signature as well, but it wont show if you’re using mobile. I like it because it has come in handy a few times: helped with ads or a essentials on a road trip.

 

I also have glowing reviews as well. I have been in tune with the game for a long time. But what I’m saying is, one can have all that going, but what I mentioned in the start of this thread, is still the reality of the things at this point.

 

I can try not to be confrontational, but there also needs to be an acknowledgement that there are a lot of people out here, who want to make things difficult for us no matter how well we try to carry things. And not all of us have the mental capacity to just brush things off and be nice. Just this week: A text I sent saying hello, hope you’re doing okay to a client of mine (now former, considering he said he’s going broke due to Covid and his IRA), had deteriorated with the last thing I seen, with him saying “fuck you” and some other stuff that I just had to tune out, because he kept texting me about offensive stuff...and I told him I wanted to end the conversation and be done with him.

 

This guy was a problem regular of mine, who was fine in person...but would often come back around and have something to say about the last meeting.

 

And then it’s other things, where I’ve reached out to previous clients to schedule, or they reach out to me, and they bail. Then I’m thinking like, well...you showing me you don’t really have an intent to maintain the arrangement, therefore you giving me permission to go ahead and cut ties.

 

I’m really trying to stay away from confrontational situations, and it is getting old...as I told my former regular yesterday. But where do we draw the line between just letting people do us any kind of way, versus having a backbone and speaking up without it messing up the potential.

 

Like the other day, I was out of town and I had a guy use up 30 minutes of my time making like he wanted a booking, when I could have been 30 minutes down the road. I try to get there early by being on the way to the address he gave me. He was close enough where it didn’t take long. But 5 blocks away, he texts me he can’t do it because his conference call was an hour earlier than I thought. I say sorry to hear that, but I took time out to respond to you, when I could have been on my way to my next destination. I told him needs to send my cancellation fee. He argues with me that he didn’t confirm and that he cancelled before he “confirmed”. I’m like, you already told me an address and asked me to come the sooner the better.

 

In that case, me just saying “oh okay, no problem...thanks” just wasn’t what I was feeling. He coulda been a fucking man and just said, “hey I know you’re already nearby...I don’t have a lot of time but I’ll leave you with $50/$100 for 30 more minutes of your time”. But he didn’t.

 

Sometimes I tell myself to make the best of the circumstance, and turn those guys into my Justforfans viewers...But I was finding many of those wouldn’t sign up for that either. So I’ve just more or less let them know they can’t book again without a reimbursement.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

$750 is affordable if you can manage even a part time job that pays $12 per hour if you still escort as well.

 

I want to add another thing to this (I know, I’ve already said a lot).

 

I feel like if I have to do that, then I might as well not put as much equity in the biz. I also don’t think it’ll work as well. Many clients seem to only be able to meet during certain times. I know because I deal with already as a full timer. I‘ll said to clients that I arrive to a city at a certain time, they’ll say it’s too late for them. Then they wait months to book again, only to pull the same “by chance can you meet short notice”. How would I be able to leave my job and do that?

 

And late is usually anytime after 4 pm. I’d say daytime clients make up anywhere from 50-90% of my inquiries in many cities. The only night jobs are generally service industry based which I’m not into. Though I have considered a hotel job to get employee discounts. But thing is, when would I ever get enough days off to travel. These jobs don’t want employees gone more than 2 days at a time.

 

Many guys like to (or need to) book around the afternoon hours. I used to also have a part time job, but I left because I was missing clients to go make a few bucks. Then, too many jobs have bossy women who get on my last nerves...and are toxic. My last 4 jobs over the years, all had female supervisors, and bitch would be an honorable word to use. I do not get along with many women (and straight men either b/c many seem so obsessed with another mans sexuality), and that’s another reason I have stayed away from many of the jobs I used to do.

[John Doe II]

thanks for the suggestion, but everything you mentioned I’m already doing (except that specific book you mentioned which sounds like a great read). I have Twitter, I have justforfans with 40 videos (for some reason I didn’t like the only fans platform layout, even though JFF takes a bigger cut). It should be on my signature as well, but it wont show if you’re using mobile. I like it because it has come in handy a few times: helped with ads or a essentials on a road trip.

 

I also have glowing reviews as well. I have been in tune with the game for a long time. But what I’m saying is, one can have all that going, but what I mentioned in the start of this thread, is still the reality of the things at this point.

 

I can try not to be confrontational, but there also needs to be an acknowledgement that there are a lot of people out here, who want to make things difficult for us no matter how well we try to carry things. And not all of us have the mental capacity to just brush things off and be nice. Just this week: A text I sent saying hello, hope you’re doing okay to a client of mine (now former, considering he said he’s going broke due to Covid and his IRA), had deteriorated with the last thing I seen, with him saying “fuck you” and some other stuff that I just had to tune out, because he kept texting me about offensive stuff...and I told him I wanted to end the conversation and be done with him.

 

This guy was a problem regular of mine, who was fine in person...but would often come back around and have something to say about the last meeting.

 

And then it’s other things, where I’ve reached out to previous clients to schedule, or they reach out to me, and they bail. Then I’m thinking like, well...you showing me you don’t really have an intent to maintain the arrangement, therefore you giving me permission to go ahead and cut ties.

 

I’m really trying to stay away from confrontational situations, and it is getting old...as I told my former regular yesterday. But where do we draw the line between just letting people do us any kind of way, versus having a backbone and speaking up without it messing up the potential.

 

Like the other day, I was out of town and I had a guy use up 30 minutes of my time making like he wanted a booking, when I could have been 30 minutes down the road. I try to get there early by being on the way to the address he gave me. He was close enough where it didn’t take long. But 5 blocks away, he texts me he can’t do it because his conference call was an hour earlier than I thought. I say sorry to hear that, but I took time out to respond to you, when I could have been on my way to my next destination. I told him needs to send my cancellation fee. He argues with me that he didn’t confirm and that he cancelled before he “confirmed”. I’m like, you already told me an address and asked me to come the sooner the better.

 

In that case, me just saying “oh okay, no problem...thanks” just wasn’t what I was feeling. He coulda been a fucking man and just said, “hey I know you’re already nearby...I don’t have a lot of time but I’ll leave you with $50/$100 for 30 more minutes of your time”. But he didn’t.

 

Sometimes I tell myself to make the best of the circumstance, and turn those guys into my Justforfans viewers...But I was finding many of those wouldn’t sign up for that either. So I’ve just more or less let them know they can’t book again without a reimbursement.

Maybe you need to narrow your target audience. Seems like too many flakes. You may need to reconsider what your value proposition is... your unique selling proposition. Ask yourself: what type of guys am I willing to sell my services to? What type of guys are willing to pay for my services? Do I want to sell my services to insecure closeted guys who will not follow through with appointments? Or do I want to sell to high class gentlemen with refined tastes?

 

There seems to be a disconnect between your advertising and the type of men that are propositioning you. Have you considered a sugar daddy? Someone more stable instead of what seems like flakey mid western guys.

[John Doe II]

I want to add another thing to this (I know, I’ve already said a lot).

 

I feel like if I have to do that, then I might as well not put as much equity in the biz. I also don’t think it’ll work as well. Many clients seem to only be able to meet during certain times. I know because I deal with already as a full timer. I‘ll said to clients that I arrive to a city at a certain time, they’ll say it’s too late for them. Then they wait months to book again, only to pull the same “by chance can you meet short notice”. How would I be able to leave my job and do that?

 

And late is usually anytime after 4 pm. I’d say daytime clients make up anywhere from 50-90% of my inquiries in many cities. The only night jobs are generally service industry based which I’m not into. Though I have considered a hotel job to get employee discounts. But thing is, when would I ever get enough days off to travel. These jobs don’t want employees gone more than 2 days at a time.

 

Many guys like to (or need to) book around the afternoon hours. I used to also have a part time job, but I left because I was missing clients to go make a few bucks. Then, too many jobs have bossy women who get on my last nerves...and are toxic. My last 4 jobs over the years, all had female supervisors, and bitch would be an honorable word to use. I do not get along with many women (and straight men either b/c many seem so obsessed with another mans sexuality), and that’s another reason I have stayed away from many of the jobs I used to do.

What other skills do you have? Do you think you can be a personal assistant to a wealthy gentleman who will take you under his wing, mentor you, and hopefully provide some sort of compensation? I understand you feelings towards working with females and straight males who are threatened wmby your sexuality. However, what can you do to avoid working for these types of people if you needed to take a traditional job again? How can you cope with these people if you had to work with them again?

[+ WilliamM]

@Jarrod_Uncut is smart enough to figure it our, hire a professional, etc.

 

Back to subject 450/750 rent is "livable", most cities have hire rents.

 

It appears "back to subject" really means what you want to write about. In this case anyway

Edited October 30, 2020 by WilliamM

[+ sync]

I have not walked a mile in your shoes, therefore, the following is only my speculation. Your writing suggests that in your current revenue circumstances, and frame of mind, that any additional pressure is not welcome, but there is something that you need to be considering. I read in your Rentmen bio information that you are thirty-three years old. The clock is ticking for a firm decision about your future financial security. If being a personal services provider is proving to be more disappointing than satisfying, emotionally and/or monetarily, it is time to consider another field of employment or supplemental employment that will ensure a financially stable future for yourself. What I know is there is no planning too early for one's senior years.

[jeezifonly]

I do not get along with many women (and straight men either b/c many seem so obsessed with another mans sexuality), and that’s another reason I have stayed away from many of the jobs I used to do.

@Jarrod_Uncut You have difficulty getting along with 80-90% of the population?? Nope, don’t buy it. You are already capable of faking sexual attraction for a couple of hours.There are lots of jobs out there that do not require getting along... just “faking” being civil and respectful.

You’ve turned to this forum for advice (I’d hate to think you just come here to whine) and lots have offered it. Validation? You’ve gotten lots of that as well.

Pity? Sorry, Love.

ps Have you thought about studying acting?

[RandyVue]

You whine a lot.

 

I don’t mind him venting. You can always hit the ignore button so that you don’t see his posts. I did that to Marylander1940’s posts and it works like a charm.

[jeezifonly]

I don’t mind him venting. You can always hit the ignore button so that you don’t see his posts. I did that to Marylander1940’s posts and it works like a charm.

My clothes dryer vents too, but at least the lint looks different each time ?

[marylander1940]

 

 

Many guys like to (or need to) book around the afternoon hours. I used to also have a part time job, but I left because I was missing clients to go make a few bucks. Then, too many jobs have bossy women who get on my last nerves...and are toxic. My last 4 jobs over the years, all had female supervisors, and bitch would be an honorable word to use. I do not get along with many women (and straight men either b/c many seem so obsessed with another mans sexuality), and that’s another reason I have stayed away from many of the jobs I used to do.

 

Life is about choices, you also complained about wanting to go to they gym at noon and so many guys who wanted to see you at noon.

[RandyVue]

My clothes dryer vents too, but at least the lint looks different each time ?

? I hear you.

[marylander1940]

I don’t mind him venting. You can always hit the ignore button so that you don’t see his posts. I did that to Marylander1940’s posts and it works like a charm.

 

well, hopefully you'll stop quoting me and getting mad by my posts.

 

 

 

You whine a lot.

 

Will you follow the advice and start ignoring @Jarrod_Uncut ?

 

The ignore button is a true blessing for both sides, at least that has been my experience.

[xyz48B]

Will you follow the advice and start ignoring @Jarrod_Uncut ?

I said that like a week ago.

[marylander1940]

I said that like a week ago.

 

Sorry is hard to keep up... on Oct 26th you suggested him writing a memoire.