Providers that wish to request a small fee at time of booking appointment

[Mocha]

Hopefully this can be discussed in tact. This isn’t a should I do this or not, but more of an overall step that I feel needs to be adopted.

 

The current market of ads right now is just ripe with people who do nothing more but contact us to play games. I feel like the whole industry has lost its business demeanor, and ads have been lessened to mere “profiles”. Even many of the pictures on Rentmen are Grindr-ish. Nobody is taking anything seriously right now. On an average day, I will answer to 2-4 texts from different numbers...and nothing coming out of it.

 

At the same time, I have been in this industry for over 10 years and am well aware there’s some clients who don’t mind, and others who don’t like to send because they’ve been ripped off before, don’t feel they need to, or simply aren’t serious enough about booking and mainly just want to socialize with sex workers without actually booking one.

 

Have any other providers implemented an initial “consult” fee? If anyone is interested in my complete deposit script, PM me. I believe it can definitely help cut down on meaningless and wasteful conversations.

Edited July 30, 2019 by Mocha

[bendable2019]

Hopefully this can be discussed in tact. This isn’t a should I do this or not, but more of an overall step that I feel needs to be adopted.

 

I’m not referring to the forum, but to my ads. I feel at this point, it’s becoming imperative for me to take control of my own sanity. I’ve tried all different ways of bargaining leading up to this point: confirming, reconfirming, following up...all that ends today.

 

The current market of ads right now is just ripe with people who do nothing more but contact us to play games. I feel like the whole industry has lost its business demeanor, and ads have been lessened to mere “profiles”. Even many of the pictures on Rentmen are Grindr-ish. Nobody is taking anything seriously right now. On an average day, I will answer to 2-4 texts from different numbers...and nothing coming out of it. That ends today.

 

I feel in this current climate, guys contacting our ads need to be tested like a used car battery. Meaning...run them thru quality control to make sure they’re serious. I’ve recently composed a complete deposit script, which includes rebuttals to anyone who doesn’t want to “pay anything upfront”. I also included an alternative agreement to those who absolutely can’t pay a deposit. And finally, I’ve made note in my ad that by contacting my NUMBER, they automatically agree to my cancellation policy. Kind of like when you sign the papers checking into a hotel. Not pets, no smoking, $250 fine, etc.

 

Right now, I’m just testing it out, mainly the price of the deposit. I’m starting low, to make it not feel like “paying up front” but more of “this is the cover charge to start into this club” type of thing.

 

I have no intentions of halting or stopping this. I feel like the whole gay for pay scene has turned into a joke. No rates posted anywhere as it is. People are unreliable/indecisive more than ever. During a recent trip, I had to demand/collect cancellation fees in 6 different cities in the course of a few weeks. They book, then don’t show up, stand you up, cancel the same day they reach out. In my experience: Denver, Kansas City, Atlanta, Tampa, and Los Angeles are Top 5 for these type of behaviors. However, I’m finding this common in ALL markets. How is it that the same city I went to in 2010 and had every client who contacted me show up, is now 4 out of 5 don’t show up?

 

Even return clients have the tendency to play with our schedules. Lot of 1 trick ponies will schedule one time, then schedule a second time and cancel/no show.

 

Have any other providers implemented an initial “consult” fee? If anyone is interested in my complete deposit script, PM me. I believe it can definitely help cut down on meaningless and wasteful conversations.

 

Do you need to reply to all? Delete the ones the ones you feel needs to be trashed. Ignore the rest. Fuck happily ever after ...?

[Mocha]

Do you need to reply to all? Delete the ones the ones you feel needs to be trashed. Ignore the rest. Fuck happily ever after ...?

 

I try...but it’s not working. It’s becoming harder to tell the difference. People will seem real right up until the time...others will drop off the face of the planet in the middle of setting something up. Or they’ll go thru with all the right things, but say, “umm I gotta make sure my aunt’s husband’s brother’s sister is not still inviting me to her birthday tonight”

 

I’m not a friend they’ve known for years. They contact me like we have a relationship or like I’m available in their in their city forever. I don’t care about their family or their job or any of that shit if they can’t balls up and meet. When people call Uber and Lyft, or book flight tickets in advance, do they tell their whole life story? NO. So why do it to me? Once you (pay) and get into the Uber/Lyft/Plane, you can small talk with the driver/passengers all the way to your destination. But not before even inputting a credit card. So why should escorts be any different?

 

It’s just too much time. It’s not professional, it’s making me feel unprofessional. I can’t, I just can’t. Only thing I can do is start getting paid within a pre-determined amount of messages. If not...end of conversation. Cut, off.

Edited July 27, 2019 by Mocha

[MrMattBig]

Do you need to reply to all? Delete the ones the ones you feel needs to be trashed. Ignore the rest. Fuck happily ever after ...?

I agree. Certain messages get responses certain ones don't. Certain appointments can be counted on, others book with low expectations on it actually occurring. Pivoting and being extremely flexible is also key. Recognizing when expectations should be low based off conversation, and how to mange those expectations will help with the sanity part.

[Mocha]

I agree. Certain messages get responses certain ones don't. Certain appointments can be counted on, others book with low expectations on it actually occurring. Pivoting and being extremely flexible is also key. Recognizing when expectations should be low based off conversation, and how to mange those expectations will help with the sanity part.

 

Unfortunately it’s become harder to tell who’s low expectation or not. For example, a guy in Milwaukee had set an appointment for 7 pm. He had already reached me like the days prior. Seemed totally cool, even suggesting hotels. As the time neared AFTER we confirmed, he went no respondó. Then tried to claim that he didn’t make an appointment...

 

When I posted a public warning about him...turns out he screwed over another sex worker as well. So yeah, I’m peeping their game.

 

I should mention: I’m not going to ask for entry fee until I make sure they’re cool with everything as far as rates. But there won’t be no telling of hotel name/address as in the previous thread, until they pay the initiation fee. I don’t need someone who’s not going to show, to know anything about where I’m staying. That’s creepy.

 

Because I did that last week, thinking that maybe I should give out my hotel info to them early...they still flaked.

 

I’m learning this from a popular and successful photographer I worked with recently, who told me how he does business. He don’t even speak to clients unless they pay the deposit first. It made me realize, I’ve got to lock this DOWN.

Edited July 27, 2019 by Mocha

[MrMattBig]

Unfortunately it’s become harder to tell who’s serious or not. For example, a guy in Milwaukee had set an appointment for 7 pm. He had already reached me like the days prior. Seemed totally cool, even suggesting hotels. As the time neared AFTER we confirmed, he went no respondó. Then tried to claim that he didn’t make an appointment...

 

When I posted a public warning about him...turns out he screwed over another sex worker as well. So yeah, I’m peeping their game.

 

I use Mr. Number to try and screen for any comments/warnings about new inquiries. Also, in my experience, over engagement, such as suggesting hotels, is a yellow flag at least.

[Mocha]

I use Mr. Number to try and screen for any comments/warnings about new inquiries. Also, in my experience, over engagement, such as suggesting hotels, is a yellow flag at least.

 

Yeah that I should have known. Luckily I changed hotels unannounced from the time he confirmed earlier that day, to the time he flaked.

 

Just like the one who kept calling me 3 times yesterday and talking about how it doesn’t matter that I’m black and he’s white, and how Trump is messing things up with his bigotry ??‍♂️ Only to cancel the same day he contacted me to meet the next day. That’s the other thing I’m stopping: no more phone calls until they’re verified.

[Guest]

MUF, even before you meet?

 

Godspeed Mocha.

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/jamesatl-in-atlanta-anyone.148975/

[Guest]

Well @Mocha - this isn’t “pay to play”....it sounds like “pay to plan to play.” I wish you luck. But, in a competitive market place, under the guiding principles of economics, the market usually sets the expectation. I don’t think you’re going to find success or happiness in this approach unless your goal is a low volume, low income, highly structured day. But good luck. It will be an interesting experiment.

[RealAvalon]

Unfortunately it’s become harder to tell who’s low expectation or not. For example, a guy in Milwaukee had set an appointment for 7 pm. He had already reached me like the days prior. Seemed totally cool, even suggesting hotels. As the time neared AFTER we confirmed, he went no respondó. Then tried to claim that he didn’t make an appointment...

 

When I posted a public warning about him...turns out he screwed over another sex worker as well. So yeah, I’m peeping their game.

 

I should mention: I’m not going to ask for entry fee until I make sure they’re cool with everything as far as rates. But there won’t be no telling of hotel name/address as in the previous thread, until they pay the initiation fee. I don’t need someone who’s not going to show, to know anything about where I’m staying. That’s creepy.

 

Because I did that last week, thinking that maybe I should give out my hotel info to them early...they still flaked.

 

I’m learning this from a popular and successful photographer I worked with recently, who told me how he does business. He don’t even speak to clients unless they pay the deposit first. It made me realize, I’ve got to lock this DOWN.

Is there anything you enjoy with escort work (other than the getting paid part of course)? Just curious.

Edited July 27, 2019 by RealAvalon

[Trick]

 

I’m not referring to the forum,

 

 

 

Of course, where else will you get to rant for free?

[Milo Farnsworth]

I hear what you're saying Mocha, but i don't see that sustainable. If I make an appointment and for whatever reason cancel how are you going get me to pay a cancellation fee let alone pay to just talk to you? The pool of escorts is very large I would just shop elsewhere. I'm not being a bitch, just stating obvious.

[Chad Constantine]

Is there anything about the profession you enjoy (other than the getting paid part of course)? Just curious.

 

I was wondering the same thing. Is answering 2-4 different peoples texts a day hard? I have always wondered if the negativity that is being vented manifests all these cancellations. I am surprised anyone would pay cancellation fees or pay to speak to a professional dater but I guess there are select individuals that are into that particular fetish. @Mocha missed his calling as a lawyer or doctor the way he is trying to charge his clients.

[Geriatric Otter]

Mocha...I would pay a huge deposit just to be near you. You wouldn't have to do a thing in person to get paid. Your bright, shining positive personality would be more than enough for me.

[manTOman]

Good luck with this approach @Mocha

Please update us in a month or so to let us know how this turned out.

[MiamiLooker]

Good luck with this approach @Mocha

Please update us in a month or so to let us know how this turned out.

Looking forward to a new bottle of whine.

[RealAvalon]

Unfortunately it’s become harder to tell who’s low expectation or not. For example, a guy in Milwaukee had set an appointment for 7 pm. He had already reached me like the days prior. Seemed totally cool, even suggesting hotels. As the time neared AFTER we confirmed, he went no respondó. Then tried to claim that he didn’t make an appointment...

 

When I posted a public warning about him...turns out he screwed over another sex worker as well. So yeah, I’m peeping their game.

 

I should mention: I’m not going to ask for entry fee until I make sure they’re cool with everything as far as rates. But there won’t be no telling of hotel name/address as in the previous thread, until they pay the initiation fee. I don’t need someone who’s not going to show, to know anything about where I’m staying. That’s creepy.

 

Because I did that last week, thinking that maybe I should give out my hotel info to them early...they still flaked.

 

I’m learning this from a popular and successful photographer I worked with recently, who told me how he does business. He don’t even speak to clients unless they pay the deposit first. It made me realize, I’ve got to lock this DOWN.

Hi. There were a number of 'commentary' posts after I asked my question. But to avoid that diversion. I'll go back to my original question, because I am curious. Is there anything that you enjoy about escorting?

Edited July 27, 2019 by RealAvalon

[+ DrownedBoy]

Well @Mocha - this isn’t “pay to play”....it sounds like “pay to plan to play.” I wish you luck. But, in a competitive market place, under the guiding principles of economics, the market usually sets the expectation. I don’t think you’re going to find success or happiness in this approach unless your goal is a low volume, low income, highly structured day. But good luck. It will be an interesting experiment.

 

Agreed. As a client, I'm not a serial texter; I like to get to the point. Just today, an escort I hadn't met before demanded a deposit to prove I'm "safe." I've never been asked for a deposit before.

 

So, I just dropped him from my list. There are enough RM in Chicago, including my regulars, for me to find someone else. Supply and demand.

[Pulgasari1991]

During a recent trip, I had to demand/collect cancellation fees in 6 different cities in the course of a few weeks.

How many you managed to collect? How nice you played to get those?

[+ ArVaGuy]

Have you considered finding a new line of work?

[down_to_business]

...If I make an appointment and for whatever reason cancel how are you going get me to pay a cancellation fee let alone pay to just talk to you?....

 

I will refer you to the previous thread for the methods of enforcement. Coercion, blackmail, intimidation, whatever you want to call it. Consider yourself warned!

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/2-threads-in-1-where-are-you-hosting-and-we-didnt-make-an-appointment.150435/

[rvwnsd]

Of course, where else will you get to rant for free?

We should tell @Guy Fawkes to charge for rants.

[Deadlift1]

Cray cray

[+ Keith30309]

Why don't you simply ditch your current phone number and replace it with a 900/976 number.

Problem solved.

[ericwinters]

Why don't you simply ditch your current phone number and replace it with a 900/976 number.

Problem solved.

 

LOL!!!