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[+ WilliamM]

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@Mocha posts here frequently. He should expect negative comments. Yes that particular comment was totally unnecessary and wrong.

[MikeBiDude]

Mocha uses this forum to tell what he is thinking. If Mike Gaite posted as often, he would get negative responses as well. Benjamin Nicholas was not always a favorite, or Scott Adler. It is a fairly long list.

And they all can handle the heat in the “ask an escort” kitchen.

 

There are a number of missing posts in your wise replies probably you’re quoting someone I have on “ignore”.

 

I miss Scott Adler.

[MscleLovr]

I miss Scott Adler.

 

Just an aside but I remember him fondly too. We had a date near his apartment in WeHo and he provided excellent full service. He wasn’t camera-shy at all.

[Trick]

@Mocha posts here frequently. He should expect negative comments. Yes that particular comment was totally unnecessary and wrong.

 

There is this thread on The Lounge right now created by another escort having the same problem with clients as Mocha. But note how pleasant the conversation is on this one.

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/getting-complacent-with-escorting.150824/

[+ WilliamM]

And they all can handle the heat in the “ask an escort” kitchen.

 

There are a number of missing posts in your wise replies probably you’re quoting someone I have on “ignore”.

 

I miss Scott Adler.

 

I could never agree with Scott on his relatively high escort fees.

Edited July 30, 2019 by WilliamM

[+ WilliamM]

There is this thread on The Lounge right now created by another escort having the same problem with clients as Mocha. But note how pleasant the conversation is on this one.

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/getting-complacent-with-escorting.150824/

 

 

Yes, I read that thread; it's one of the reasons for my response. I like him a lot, wonderful person

[mike carey]

There is this thread on The Lounge right now created by another escort having the same problem with clients as Mocha. But note how pleasant the conversation is on this one.

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/getting-complacent-with-escorting.150824/

Indeed, the poster is introspective, wonders what he can do to make things better, and accepts advice with grace. He owns the issue. Apart from that, they're the same [as if].

[+ ArVaGuy]

There is this thread on The Lounge right now created by another escort having the same problem with clients as Mocha. But note how pleasant the conversation is on this one.

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/getting-complacent-with-escorting.150824/

 

 

Note how the escort presented his issue. Yes, they each have similar challenges with client contact and communication. No where in his original post nor subsequent replies does he react negatively. He didn’t start off with a complaint and announce he’s going to start charging prospective clients for the privilege of contacting him.

 

Furthermore, the escort has a long history of positive interactions on this message board. His dust ups with various characters around here has been rare and altogether nonexistent as I can recall.

 

Thus the difference in tone and replies. That escort reached out seeking advice from a wide ranging and experienced group of clients and providers. He did not announce an asinine policy of charging a prospective client for the privilege of communicating with him.

 

This level of professionalism is sorely lacking in Mocha’s initial post. Perhaps if he’d honestly asked for advice on how to deal with his frustrations he would have gotten more positive results. Instead he continues to post complaint after complaint, dismisses criticism and responds negatively more often than not.

[mike carey]

Escorts can build their reputations here. Or not. It's their choice.

[+ ArVaGuy]

Escorts can build their reputations here. Or not. It's their choice.

 

Same can be said for the clients on this message board. We all build our reputation based on interaction around here.

[+ José Soplanucas]

This is like a sales job.....you are going to have people wasting your time no matter what.....some guys will have a conversation just to see your pics and than you won’t hear from them again. Others are trying to set something up for the future and then they forget. The reality is you have to take the good with the bad. You are not going to win every battle or get a meeting from every conversation but you still have to show up and put yourself in the batter’s box. It’s annoying Mocha, I know, I deal with the same BS myself but I know who I’m dealing with and just bite the bullet with time wasters.

 

Nice picture, sir. Allow me one suggestion. Besides the contact information you included in your profile, you may want to add to your messages a signature linking to one of your escorting ads. Welcome to the forums.

[+ WilliamM]

@Mocha I have now read the thread from the beginning again. I do not agree with your solutions. But, I do respect you as a person, a nice person.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I miss Scott Adler.

 

While Adler and I didn't always see eye-to-eye at one point, we've grown to like each other quite a bit since.

 

He was a polarizing personality, but a needed one. Scott is whip-smart and I really admire that he stands his ground on things.

[+ WilliamM]

While Adler and I didn't always see eye-to-eye at one point, we've grown to like each other quite a bit since.

 

He was a polarizing personality, but a needed one. Scott is whip-smart and I really admire that he stands his ground on things.

 

Thanks. I always thought Scott and I only communicate by e-mail. Your post reminded me of one phone call. Yes, he is very smart,but I needed to hear his voice.

[Mocha]

@Mocha I have now read the thread from the beginning again. I do not agree with your solutions. But, I do respect you as a person, a nice person.

 

That’s understandable. But I think of it like the lottery:

 

The lottery (and casino) is a multi BILLION dollar industry. You pay anywhere from $1 to $50 for a lottery ticket in any state.

 

Granted: I understand the clientele who plays the lottery is not “always” going to be same clientele who hires us (but then again, a client friend of mine I knew would buy lottery tickets, and on the last census that was taken...I noticed he had put his annual income at $100,000).

 

Point is: if someone can spend $20 on some horribly odded lottery tickets, then it shouldn’t be much of an issue for me to ask for like $10 for a client to show that they’re real. Heck, a $1. Same thing the gas station does to make sure your credit card is an actual card and not your supermarket discount card ??‍♂️

 

So far, it’s been working for me. I’ve already run off 2 potential time wasters, they wouldn’t shut up until I gave them my deposit script. One wanting to ask more questions “how big is your dick”...and he got the same script sent back to him.

 

I’m actually going to start sounding like a robot so they don’t think it’s me lol. IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THIS CONVERSATION, PLEASE DEPOSIT MORE COIN TO CONTINUE.

 

 

 

[Mocha]

MUF, even before you meet?

 

Godspeed Mocha.

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/jamesatl-in-atlanta-anyone.148975/

 

I don’t plan to be asking for whole amounts. I want to specifically ask for small, low commitment amounts so that I know who’s serious and who’s not.

 

In fact, I will be purposely making it low: $5 to $10, so that in the event I can’t make it...I can pay it back. Granted, that amount may vary depending on if travel is involved, which would be more.

 

I can’t keep taking chances not taking deposits. It’s not doing me any justice to keep doing the same thing I’ve been doing. At this rate, my time is being wasted more than I’m spending in actual appointments, therefore it makes more sense to do than not.

[+ WilliamM]

@Mocha I have only had two relatively long conversations with escorts. One was to give driving instructions and also to know him better. The other was someone I already knew from this site.

 

Aren't there other ways to end conversations?

[Mocha]

Cray cray

 

Batshit crazy baby.

 

Tristan Baldwin was right when he said I needed some fucking help. You goddamn right, and I’m going to help myself in the best way I know how: setting boundaries with people. I refuse to continue to let people invade my personal space (my phone, my schedule, my time) with no accountability.

 

I plead insanity!

 

 

@Mocha I do understand what you are saying. I am sure it is frustrating from the provider perspective dealing with us clients who can be flaky and inconsiderate.

 

I see that you are coming to Denver soon, but from my perspective, I would not be inclined to hire you because of the way you talk about clients and the way it appears you have a lot of hoops you make clients go through. The same weekend you are here, I have two semi-regulars visiting Denver and they are the ones going to get my business over you because I don't want to deal with a provider with such a negative attitude towards clients (even though it is probably often justified).

 

I don't say this to antagonize you. I think you often add a thoughtful discussion to this forum and probably do a great job for many fo your clients. But I am probably not the only potential client who is turned off by the way you decide to present yourself both on this forum and in your Rent.Men ad. Maybe it's worth it to you to avoid those flaky clients that you have to deal with, but I also feel it's quite likely that you're losing business in the process.

 

But best of luck with whatever you are trying to do.

 

I don’t think my postings would have anything to do with whether you hire me or your semi-regulars. You will have made up your mind regardless as to whether you wanted to see them or any of the other guys listed in Denver regardless.

 

You say you aren’t trying to antagonize, but what benefit are you giving by saying this? You comparing me to 2 other providers who I don’t even know. I may not even be your type, and them and I may not even have anything in common. And if 2 are them are going, are you going to be able to afford both within the same week? Would you have hired me if I wasn’t on the forum in the same week? You would have likely been one of those who contacts all 3 for appointment, and flakes on 2 in favor of 1. Which would make a client liable for a cancellation fee based on my policy (even if the excuse is; “My cousin’s sister is having a baby shower, I can’t make it”.) So in the process, you magically forgot about the appointment you scheduled? And why did I have to contact you first, you couldn’t just reach me first? ??‍♂️

 

And I’m being nice! Miss a court date, that’s a warrant! I’m just asking for a measly $10 deposit. Less than the cost of a movie ticket ??‍♂️

 

People here expect me to bow down, kiss their feet, and agree that I should say things the way THEY want to do it, otherwise tell me how you would rather hire so and so and not me? ??‍♂️

 

If you wanted to hire me, you would have. If you didn’t, you wouldn’t have either. To make some claim that my postings here are distasteful to you and you won’t hire me when I’m in Denver, is nothing short of being controlling and manipulative. Don’t expect me to ingratiate myself when you can’t even show me respect by pulling me aside in private and expressing this, versus sizing me up with some providers who I don’t even know from a hole in the wall ??‍♂️

 

Edited July 30, 2019 by Mocha

[Mocha]

This is like a sales job.....you are going to have people wasting your time no matter what.....some guys will have a conversation just to see your pics and than you won’t hear from them again. Others are trying to set something up for the future and then they forget. The reality is you have to take the good with the bad. You are not going to win every battle or get a meeting from every conversation but you still have to show up and put yourself in the batter’s box. It’s annoying Mocha, I know, I deal with the same BS myself but I know who I’m dealing with and just bite the bullet with time wasters.

 

That’s true: and that’s the thing, when I signed up for this...I had left the sales business. Hence when I say “script”, I used to be a telemarketer before I started college...and was among the top 4 sales. And these weren’t small amounts. We would contact people (versus people contacting us) and ask for hundreds of dollar over the phone, for the “prospect” of them getting a big return. Once I realized the business was a scam, I got out. Plus it was becoming too stressful being turned down all day. I had applied for 2 more similar jobs after that, but left after a couple of days. I’ve never went back to telemarking sales and don’t plan to.

 

I now feel like escorting is reminding me of those same days. Being flaked on and turned down (even though it’s not really turn downs, but more of them contacting me and not following thru). I didn’t sign up for sales, and the fact it’s become that way does change the frame of business for me.

 

But, I feel I can get rid of this whole “sell” thing and make it more of a “reserve your time” thing. If people aren’t okay with it, that’s fine by me. The point of this is to turn people away, namely those who aren’t invested. I’m not afraid. Like I said, I’ve already stopped 2 people in their tracks by asking for a deposit in the past couple of days. Had I not, they would have still been wasting my time, and I would have still been not getting paid.

 

I have also had lots of people willingly pay me a deposit, or even guarantee they would show up without deposit...including my lil hot 20s something year old tattoo boy who I fuck from time to time and he gives me $300.

 

I have already had a couple escorts to contact me for this deposit script, and I’ll accept advice to make it better. Let’s make it normal. No, we’re not going to ask for $500. But try $50. Try $20. Or like the price is right: $1. Something small and risk free. I’ve done it like a million times already, but now I’m making it more standard.

Edited July 30, 2019 by Mocha

[Mocha]

Note how the escort presented his issue. Yes, they each have similar challenges with client contact and communication. No where in his original post nor subsequent replies does he react negatively. He didn’t start off with a complaint and announce he’s going to start charging prospective clients for the privilege of contacting him.

 

Furthermore, the escort has a long history of positive interactions on this message board. His dust ups with various characters around here has been rare and altogether nonexistent as I can recall.

 

Thus the difference in tone and replies. That escort reached out seeking advice from a wide ranging and experienced group of clients and providers. He did not announce an asinine policy of charging a prospective client for the privilege of communicating with him.

 

This level of professionalism is sorely lacking in Mocha’s initial post. Perhaps if he’d honestly asked for advice on how to deal with his frustrations he would have gotten more positive results. Instead he continues to post complaint after complaint, dismisses criticism and responds negatively more often than not.

 

Please don't compare me to someone else. We are both talking the same subject, with a different packaging. I didn’t even notice his thread, but if [uSER=12155]@Dominiking[/uSER] is willing to make amends for a misunderstanding last year in a another thread, I would gladly refer him to my deposit script and post a response in his thread, as that could be a solution to his issue as well. If not, he nor I are under any obligation to make amends.

 

But If you’re not okay with how I discuss something, you might want to a section that talks about lighter stuff...like the gallery. I am just boggled that people think we need to sit around and be all lovey dovey and ultra nice on this forum. Who said that? For the record: I had a friend tell me of a TS male escort in Milwaukee he knows who STABBED a client. And got away with it. I don’t condone that in any way, but this stuff I’m talking about is nothing in comparison to the real world.

 

I’m going to tell you exactly how I feel, exactly what I’m doing, and exactly what is going on. I don’t even think I used any “language” in my first post either. Yes, I’m not going to chat for free. What’s so offensive about that?

 

People have gotten so comfortable chatting up providers endlessly thanks to apps and other guys not setting boundaries, that now it’s “AWFUL” if you dare not talk for free to me. I’m paying you!!!

 

Okay, pay me, and then we can talk ??

 

http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/B0dqvPg0rFW0M/giphy.gif

Edited July 30, 2019 by Mocha

[Mocha]

@Guy Fawkes, I noticed you didn’t like the some of my posts in this thread, may I ask for your suggestions as an administrator?

 

I changed the title of the topic, as I think people were taking it wrong.

[+ keroscenefire]

All I am trying to say is that the way you present yourself is likely costing you clients in general. You're right I am never going to hire you because of the way you talk about your clients. But there are now probably another dozen or so on this forum who are probably also not going to hire you for the same reason. The fact that you significantly edited both your original post and the title of this thread shows that you probably too understand how your messaging may be alienating to your clientele.

[Mocha]

All I am trying to say is that the way you present yourself is likely costing you clients in general. You're right I am never going to hire you because of the way you talk about your clients. But there are now probably another dozen or so on this forum who are probably also not going to hire you for the same reason. The fact that you significantly edited both your original post and the title of this thread shows that you probably too understand how your messaging may be alienating to your clientele.

 

Well guess what? I’ve also met about a dozen clients from the forum as well. So...it goes both ways. No 1 person is going to meet every poster on the forum anyway, so you throwing your weight around like you’re so important...is just huffing and puffing.

 

If you don’t hire me, guess what? I guarantee I’ll have someone else lined up who will. Free and paid.

 

Yeah I shortened my post and edited it, to get straight to the point. And? I can do that. Stop acting as if this forum encompasses the entire amount of clients who contact us. Majority of clients I see have never even heard of this forum before. I used to think @marylander1940 was a client of mine in Maryland using an alias, who passed away. I asked my (bless his soul) client out of shits and giggles and showed him the forum, and he said he doesn’t know anyone here...never cared to come on here. We were friends for 3 some years. But he passed away and Marylander was still posting.

Edited July 30, 2019 by Mocha

[Guy Fawkes]

I'm not going to try and hit a moving target.

 

@Guy Fawkes, I noticed you didn’t like the some of my posts in this thread, may I ask for your suggestions as an administrator?

 

I changed the title of the topic, as I think people were taking it wrong.

[MrMattBig]

A think the unspoken sincerity behind some of the criticism here is that any new client could read what's posted here online and change their decision from a yes to a no. While not part of an ad, what is written here is still part of your brand image. And what's on the internet lives forever.