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hmm, meh…bleh. I don’t know. I feel like you errored by planning 2 appointments 30 minutes apart. I rarely ever do that these days. I even have a thing I occasionally tell clients: I only prefer to book 1 client PER time of day. So I’m not going to have two clients showing up in the afternoon, or evening…only 1 morning client, 1 afternoon client or 1 evening client. And even that rarely happens in sequence. Lately in this economy and hookup app culture: 1 maybe two clients a day is all I prefer to reserve. That’s why I ask for deposits (a cancellation or no show can mean lost funds for the day), and I’ve started asking more to host. The days of having 3-4 clients a day are not how I do things anymore….Unless I’m feeling really Randy (sorry had to use some British/Irish dialect there lol)… I usually need time to decompress and allow me and the client to have non rushed time together. For example, last Friday I had a bit of a quagmire: I was already running 10 minutes behind my 3 p.m. booking. Thanksgiving/Black Friday traffic, and the guy gave me same day notice which.. doesn’t bother me but when I have to leave home, pack an overnight bag, host and check into a hotel, I usually have to plan that the day before. But no biggie. However, I get to the hotel…there’s two guests just dragging out the whole check in process. When I check into a hotel, I try to do it within 1 minute lol. ID, credit card, room number. I don’t need to know anything else. Client is on his way lol. All the chit chat and questions I can do later. And then the hotel staff were training someone so it took like 15 minutes just to get my room key. Meanwhile client texts me saying; “I’m here” at 3. Fortunately he was cool and patient…and we had a great time. I just told him, “next time I prefer a day notice” because I didn’t even have but a couple minutes to get ready, and when hosting I like to have time to create my whole ambience: Candles, cover the bed, get my Amazon music selection going, etc. Just my personal preference: I prefer visits to be like a “date”. I don’t think it should be treated like a job interview per say. Those type of appointments are that way because they are often taking multiple appointments and working on a 8 hour work week schedule. So they can’t stay longer than the company is willing to pay for. With sex work, I just prefer a more Relaxed approached. I think of it like concert performers. They are never on the dot ready. They don’t even give a time. I went to one performance in Washington DC: the performer was set to “start” at 8 p He didn’t come out until 11:15 p lol. But everybody was there and attending and it wasn’t like anybody was on a clock. Think about this (a bit of Christmassy theme lol). The world has been waiting for Jesus to “show up” for the past 2,023 years. Is he late? Or is he waiting until the time is right? So 30 minutes late is a drop 💧 in a bucket 🪣 in the big scheme of things. People have to learn to be patient. As long as someone updates the person their arrival time, shouldn’t be an issue. And I know from driving a lot: stupid, excessive red lights in the city can easily add 10-15 minutes to your arrival. Shit like that makes people want to run reds and drive down the wrong way on the avenue lol…but is it worth killing myself or somebody else over? Not really. Exactly…even in some Spanish cultures, things often start later than usual. However, I notice some of that can be preferential based too. Hence the subject I said in another thread “White privilege”. There’s a such thing as Latino privilege too. I would be a liar if I made it up. Used to work in a bank run by South Americans, where employees would regularly showed up late. They gave me a 3 strike rule (or maybe call it, “full time employee privilege). Now I’m like, fuck that. Mean ole Cuban bitch wanted to have a menopausal moment on me. Now I’m like, bitch I run my own shit. She did the best favor for me ever: encouraging me to start my own empire. I’m grateful for being fired. Nobody can ever take my entrepreneurial spirit, away from me 😂

Or it could be something more sinister…maybe the person said or did something that turned the provider off (not saying in this case). Or the provider could just be on bullshit and not taking clients seriously. I know for me, I can’t wait around to figure it all out. Sometimes even if I seem busy and clients assume I’m with other clients it’s not always true. There could be any number of things going on in my schedule not related to this

For me, I understand the desire for same day or advanced notice bookings. However I do mention in my ads and websites what I “prefer”. Like I took a same day notice request the other day on Black Friday and it was okay, but the guy also reached out to me last month so I was on his radar. He sent deposit, contacted for a time and we met a few hours later. Not as early as he wanted but, I did mention same day bookings I often prefer flexibility. I know some escorts only want “right here, right now”, but…not everyone has the same scheduling model. I can be the right here, right now guy at times, but I try to convey to people that it’s best to reach me a day or 2 before. Or at least 1 to 2 hours if it’s same day. I’m not waiting around-round the clock, looking to get picked up. I even address “available now” on my website and what it means to me: I’m available to PLAN a time today. Doesn’t mean I’m actually ready to meet right in that very moment. I would say vast majority of my appointments this year have all been planned with at least a day to a couple hours in advance.

Well: part of “privilege” is understanding and accepting that, there is a chance that some clients may be more open to inviting a certain type of provider into their home…And less inclined to invite another type of provider, even if that client can host. Now…I’m not specifically speaking for me because, I’ve gone to all kinds of upscale outcalls. I also know though that, there’s people out there I may never meet at their place because they feel a certain way towards certain types. This CAN vary City to city. Even though you referenced guys who apparently do well in any bum fuck town, that’s still not enough to confirm that me or someone else specifically can do well in a specific area. You only gave anecdotal information. And I’ve said before in a different topic: I’m getting away from the numbers game model of incalls. I’m not about to be: 4 clients x $300 = $1,200. Because experience has taught that two of those clients likely won’t show. Maybe 1 will…then I have to figure out another way to fill that $900, hopefully before the checkout day of the hotel I’m at. I rather just start asking for more time/funds when I host. That’s why I now started doing 75/90 minutes minimum for incalls.

Meanwhile the conversation is continuing so…don’t pin that on 1 poster, whoever you may be referring to. Well, those big metro areas with higher income also means: higher cost of living, more competition and higher rates. I’ve been to all the big cities. Everything from Seattle to Miami, San Diego to Boston. They are great, they’re fun and I made good coin in all of them: but when it comes to making a move there: all of those factors are going to play a part. The bigger cities aren’t always the better deal, I’ve said it before. Some are great to travel to. I love traveling to San Francisco, but I don’t love paying $1,500 a month for a (wait for it) box 📦 lol. It takes money to live in those cities. I’ve often contemplated making a move to certain cities during my travels. But living there versus visiting are very different. It takes money to jump on a place, then you have to figure out how to move your life there. Years ago, I moved to San Antonio for only $199. It was a move in special. I jumped on it immediately, but those bigger cities want more like: $1,999 upfront. And it’s a box in a sketchy area of town, limited parking and not much amenities. No guarantee that business will be steady in those expensive markets either. I’ve been in DC and San Francisco and been busy one day, dead the next. This is even before I started deposits. I was in San Francisco when Trump got elected and people were running up the steep avenues with 🪧 signs. I had only 1 client the 4 days I was there. Wasn’t asking for deposits either.

So far, have you gotten a chance to decide which decision you’d ultimately like to go with? By the way, this line you made: “I don’t send deposits anymore because I’ve been burnt too many times by previous guys who never showed up and just took my money” or “ I don’t feel comfortable sending money to someone I haven’t met yet.” When I was fresh out of high school in Florida, and got tired of working hectic restaurants and “retail” jobs that would try to fit an entire semi truck worth of items into 1 shelf (and I worked in “linens” department with all the fragile items): I switched to an “office” job that consisted of cold calling property owners who WERE NOT actually looking to sell their vacation properties, but our job was to convince them that they COULD sell it. So for between $299 and $1299 DOWN/UPFRONT, we would sit and 8 hours a day call people all around the country. And similar to this thread, it was like pulling teeth trying to get people to pay upfront. But this was real money, with their credit card we were asking. However, they were assured they would get a big return. Needless to say, it was a big scam (I was young and didn’t realize it at the time). And, many of the customers would say, “I’ve been burnt before, somebody else said they would sell it and yadda yadda, etc etc.” I finally got out of that industry after like a year or 2. It was too much. The constant trying to get a sale from someone, and upfront money was crazy. So I know…how hard it is. Eventually I switched to other type of customer service jobs, and then did banking and real estate assistance (yawn, I was so bored I struggled to show up to work…seeing all the executives arrive in their BMWs and Mercedes and me taking the bus which I eventually “upgraded” to a Toyota Camry). Fast forward now, I have 3 vehicles…and once I switched to escorting I didn’t look back. But it’s ironic now that I’m seeing this same level of resistance with deposits among the community today. Granted at the time, and over the times since I started in 2008…I used to didn’t require deposits for a long time. Again, it was only recently in the last couple years (specifically during and after COVID) that I had decided enough was enough of the risks and pro-Bono travel and hotel bookings. Even if I had 100 great experiences, it only takes 1 flake to turn your whole day upside down. And without a deposit: that could mean anything from sleeping in the car, to sleeping in an empty hotel room for two days before you get your first client (which happened to me last weekend, even WITH deposits…1 client sent a deposit but I couldn’t make it because I ran out of gas trying to get to my hotel without getting out in the wicked rain (but I rescheduled him 3 days later and he just wrote my latest review on RM), and then another client who sent $100 but HE couldn’t make it). A deposit essentially makes everything alright, and much more comfortable for me. I never said this story before either but: two years ago just as Covid was starting: I was in the hospital for 5 days. Had an ailment (wasn’t Covid). Couldn’t take a client if I wanted to until I got better. Guess what? I was accepting deposits from my hospital bed, and once I got out: I was eventually able to meet with each client. One was in Naples Florida, the other in Orlando. Then I went to Sarasota. Biggest rebound in my escorting history. All 3 clients sent deposits, so I was able to gas up, book hotels, and everything else. above is the list of states I’ve visited (in blue). I almost want to say New York because I have been in the Bronx region briefly on the way to Boston…but it doesn’t count. I’m looking to change that very soon, I have a trip coming up to New York. So, my experience is very extensive. This is why, people have to understand when you see a lot of things and experience a lot of things: it changes how you do things in your life. Not everybody can please the popular opinion, the masses, or conform to what the next escort and the next escort is doing. Hopefully you can choose the way that works best for you…

Thanks much, I’m glad it’s working for you. Pass it along. And I’ll continue to stay true to what I feel is best and sensible for me as well…even if it doesn’t align with what others may believe or have experienced. Because at the end of the day, I know what I’ve experienced and how I’ve been able to create better ones with less regret and stress, no matter how much I may need the business. I like the putting flakes in a box 📦 emphasis 😆

I appreciate you recognizing my demeanor and persona. And, the newspaper clip was more for humor and reference. I wasn’t trying to use that as an answer to the topic of this thread. I feel though this conversation has gone beyond deposits, and has now turned into something bigger than what it should be. Being that this isn’t a thread I made, I don’t feel I should be the target of what I talk about on the forum. It doesn’t have to go to that level I’m just specifically talking about deposits, and simply giving my opinion about why I as a provider ask for them. However, all I’ve read you say so far is: “I don’t have a problem without them, I don’t need them, I don’t feel it’s the right thing to do, etc.” And fair enough that’s your personal decision. The part that I feel you’re being a bit insensitive, is when it’s then implied that because YOU don’t have to do it, then I should also not do the same: and then comes along @purplekow trying to imply and gaslight that somehow I don’t know what I’m doing, despite it being something I KNOW works better for me. That’s not necessary. No one has to tell me, “you’re not busy because you charge deposits”. That’s basically what I’m hearing. That’s not true. There’s more variables behind that than just a deposit. And I’ve posted elsewhere from other people saying the same thing about their level of business. Why is it so difficult for people to accept what others are saying, instead of making it a deal about a few people being the exception? My question to you Vin specifically: because I know you’ve said it somewhere and I quote: “I don’t stay in hotels much these days” And from what it sounds like (correct me if I’m wrong), you are doing a lot of Outcalls, right? So…how would you feel if instead, you had to host clients in hotels…in addition to traveling to San Diego, Los Angeles, Palm Springs etc. How would you feel if you had to pay out of pocket upfront for that expense, with the possibility a client may cancel? Because in my case, in my area and many I travel to: clients tend to usually need me to host. Especially in Kansas City, idk if you ever been out this way: 99% of clients in this area can’t host. The only ones who can host, are usually staying in a hotel. So I’m always in a position to drive up, book a room, etc. There is one client on this forum who booked me here and did something very kind: he booked the hotel AND prepaid me my session before we met. I couldn’t have asked for a better scenario, but I don’t even expect that usually. I usually just get deposit, measly $50/$100…not a million dollars, and then book the room and get the rest in person. Easy/Peasy. I don’t feel it’s nothing to be arguing with me about, or for others to come and make snide comments and try to paint me as being some kind of con artist or person who isn’t busy because he chooses to use a little common sense. I know this is WAAAAAYYYY more explaining and defending than what’s required or even needed, and I’m going to wrap it up soon because the holiday is in a couple days: But I’m just willing to stand by and make sense to people because…nobody should have a 1 size answer fits all when it comes to deposits. People have to be willing to respect an individual providers preference…at least here on the forum because, people read things here.

Just seeing this…but answer is: it depends on where. I think I’ve mentioned at times on the forum, some cities Adam 4 Adam were the only site I got clients from during a particular visit… That’s great that you found it to be of benefit! I’m happy that you did, I would like more people to continue to use and support A4A…but of the quality kind. It did for awhile get a rep for being sketchy for hiring but, they used to charge $10 a month versus $30…and when that happened a lot of the riff raff left. Then they updated their platform (another thing that caused the site to slow down significantly, and especially since they changed advertising in specific neighborhoods to advertising in a “county” of a city) so when traveling I often have to Google what county is such and such in. But no, I don’t think it’s White privilege solely lol (as I said in another thread, and that was pertaining to a different subject). I still get good hits from there, heck earlier this year I was hired by someone who’s connected in the porn industry, I’m on their radar to be doing a shoot in the near future. And yes I do think it’s very location dependent. I’ve used A4A all over including Dallas and others. I found it used to work best in smaller western and midwest towns that had relatively few providers of “color” advertising. Milwaukee, Knoxville, Omaha, El Paso, even my first trip to San Francisco was a good place to use it. It’s just changed a bit due to the influx of the apps and A4A not allowing rates. But the opportunity is still there.

Ha, how funny! I was just browsing elsewhere and found this newspaper ad from Miami male escort service. Sounds like male escorts were getting deposits as early as 1937. So…now the answer is official, PAY YOUR DEPOSIT LADIES. Case closed 😂 “Before the escort meets his lady, she pays the fee in advance”. …no comment on the rate part. Obviously different era, different paradigm.

Thanks for your review. I feel the same, seems around 2016 (when P.T. signed the Bill regarding anti trafficking), things came to a significant slowdown. I’m not a fan of the app version. It’s heavily edited, and I often have to think of clever ways to say what I’m doing…because they won’t even allow pro members to talk about services on the app.

With all due respect: I’m not trying to convince anyone they are wrong. I feel you’re taking it as a personal attack on @Vin_Marco versus seeing it from the perspective I’m making: Some people may not wish to take deposits, others may feel a need to. All I’m reading on this thread, is people saying they don’t want to pay deposits/don’t believe in it/do great without it. But I’m not seeing much in the way of acknowledging people who are asking for deposits and the reason they are. Personally, I’m not interested in hearing someone’s experience at a restaurant or childhood experiences AS IT RELATES to the privilege I refer to in this topic. I do acknowledge and empathize with the ignorance of those experiences on a personal level, but overall it’s irrelevant to this topic about clients and deposits/cancel fee. I know that’s unpleasant and unacceptable to deal with that, but it has nothing to do at all with the privilege I’m referring to when it comes down to taking/not taking deposits. And you could say I’m privileged too because I’m sure I’ve put in the same level of effort as @Vin_Marcoor @Jamie21has; but Vin and Jamie are in completely different regions, different backgrounds from me. Their experiences versus mine shouldn’t be compared to make a suggestion on how I or any other providers should run their ship 🚢 And as I have said to someone previously: it’s not a matter of me asking deposits “not working”. So please don’t take my posts out of context to fuel a preference you may have. Deposits ARE WORKING for me, but I can’t control the fact that inflation and living in a market where most of the gays/bi curious frequent Grindr and/or don’t have the budget. I’m trying to fix that by year end, and that’s already in the making.

This is unfounded statement…you know I’m going to call you out on it, right? And then…

This sounds very contradictory. You’re basically saying it’s better to have less assurance in a market that people don’t want to pay at all, and should therefore not charge deposit (thus increasing their risk of being ghosted/flaked/stiffed/etc.). How does that work? If anything, it’s places like Kansas City and even big places like Miami and Los Angeles where I’ve actually worked in: that deposits are needed the most. Those bigger markets are even more cut-throat. I would never work in LA again without deposits because, hotels are expensive and traffic/distance are insane. Meanwhile Miami is full of riff raff and I wouldn’t go out my way to see someone without a deposit there either.

As I said (that you left out in the part you quoted), “regardless of ACTUAL ethnic background” (if you’re not Black, like dark skinned Black with African American features, you may have privilege by that alone, as it relates to America as a whole especially…ESPECIALLY as it relates to the gay community. that’s a whole other topic). Also notice that I didn’t specifically say that YOU have White privilege, I meant it as a general statement of privilege all together. I’m also aware that in California, especially SoCal: even Hispanic/Latinos experience a different level of privilege. That’s why I posted that article that I did, I hope you did read it? If not, I can easily find another: In California’s largest race bias cases, Latino workers are accused of abusing Black colleagues WWW.LATIMES.COM In the last decade, the two largest race discrimination cases brought by the federal government in the... But, I’m not trying to go down a race debate. I’m just trying to say: acknowledge your privilege, but don’t make assertions that all escorts should be willing to be as care free and rely on clients being reliable as you are. You just happen to be in a different position of privilege. Accept it. Acknowledge it. Don’t assume someone should be open to accepting the same level of risk, who isn’t though. The only reason I brung that up is because, you stated a situation that a client canceled on you: and you declined the cancellation fee that HE OFFERED. Which is fine, that’s your call. But what I was trying to say is, another client did the same to me last week and didn’t offer anything. So…I’m just saying you may have been privileged to the fact that A) the client even offered to reimburse you in the first place and B) you didn’t actually need the money to begin with. All I’m saying is just acknowledge your position of being privileged, versus assuming a rule that should apply to all based on that. It wasn’t a personal attack. I wasn’t trying to make you mad or upset, and you know…I like you because you’re a genuine person. But, the facts are the facts in a situation. I respect your position, but: I don’t think it’s fair for people to start making blanket statements on what an escort should or shouldn’t do based on what’s been successful for you. For example: when it comes to money upfront, I once met a guy who seemed kinda sketchy. Something was giving me red flags, even though he drove up in a nice Acura SUV and was White. He came into my back room, and when I asked for the funds upfront: he counts out $27. Then he was like: I have to go to the ATM (and it’s 1 in the morning). Never came back. Imagine if I would have f**ked him? That would have been $27 earned. And I HOPE I would be able to message the people on here saying not to ask deposits/get money up front; “hey I just got robbed out of $223 dolllars. Can you send me some money PER your advice not to count the money?” Another time I had a guy in Sarasota, Florida years ago. I massaged and f**ked the shit (not literally) out of him and we had the best fun. I even drove out to Sarasota from Tampa, and booked a room on my dime (pre-deposit era so to speak lol). Well after we got done, he’s like: “I forgot my wallet in the car”. I was like okay cool, I trust you baby. My door was literally facing his car, as it was one of those outdoor resort hotels. He drives off, and never gave me the money. Couldn’t believe it. We had arranged this for like 2-3 days. So, all I’m asking is everyone to please stop gaslighting me into believing asking deposits is some sort of downfall move, and I’m doomed to lose business. I’ve spent majority of my years in the industry without deposits, and only within the last 1 to 2 years making it more mandatory with deposits. 2 years ago I brought a new laptop (you can’t build a website with an iPhone) and vowed I would start being more serious and start asking nominal deposits. It’s not like I just rolled outta bed. I put the work into making it happen. I spent like a week learning how to build even a basic website, strategizing how much my deposit should be, and then making sure I know I can LIVE UP TO the commitment of doing so.

I respect that all, however…in the case you mentioned about the guy offering you a Venmo cancellation, I had someone just last week cancel because of some complications involving the same you mentioned. But did he offer me a Venmo cancellation? No. Basically brushed it off and then gave some comment about he can’t afford it and “maybe next time in town”. Because of his cancellation, I had to cancel a dermatology appointment I scored at the last minute, because it was in the same city the client was, in St. Louis which is 4 hours from me. But because my part-time roommate in St. Louis also had a death in the family, he had relative staying with him on emergency, and I couldn’t afford to drive out, and get a hotel for two days without assurance of an appointment. So let’s first acknowledge: clients cancelling PERIOD, has the possibilities of messing up an escorts ENTIRE PLANS. Once people get that in their heads, they can stop minimizing the importance of deposits. Get why first, some charge deposits, then we can discuss all the other stuff. I respect you as a provider, however at the end of the day I think you may forget a fact called “White privilege” (and that is a blanket description regardless of what ethnic background one may be from). Even though I won’t get deep into the factors of that, I think you sometimes post from a point of privilege, and don’t always see things from an alternative perspective. Acknowledging the fact that perhaps, certain providers may receive different treatment from people depending on where they are based at: is not going to be the same as you, a provider who’s set up in an affluent area of the country. At the end of the day, I think a person can have their preferences without necessarily criticizing another’s decision. I ask consultations for a reason. It’s not like I just woke up and said, “ooo let me charge $20 for consultations”. No. I did it because I was spending time after time after time, responding to people who never give anything back for my time. In fact I had stopped doing it for awhile until last week: waited around for an hour at 10-11 p.m. for a client when I was already about on my way home, only to tell me he’s not going to be ready to meet. Then I go and find a bunch of shit that other providers have wrote saying he did the same thing to them. I could have went home an hour ago that night, but I had a small amount of trust he would meet, considering we met before and he sent me the hotel address 🤦🏾‍♂️ Privilege exists when one group has something of value that is denied to others simply because of group membership and not based on what a person or group has done or failed to do Understanding Race and Privilege WWW.NASPONLINE.ORG Across the nation, children of all backgrounds are experiencing a time in which discussions about...

Good point, I have it all mentioned in my site as well that’s fairly easy to navigate. I just wouldn’t want to risk getting scolded for not following the rules. Just the other day I wrote something that I think said appointments, and the whole paragraph got wiped out

Back to your question (and I’m not trying to prove you wrong), I just want people to UNDERSTAND WHY. It’s not as easy as it seems. And lookie, that was faster than I thought:

I’m going to tell you why in a moment, but: I DO mention deposits in my profiles and my website. You may not see it on RentMen because they don’t allow rates, but on RentMasseur and Adam, I have mentioned this. I believe however, last time I tried to update my profile mentioning anything about pay/deposit verbatim it wasn’t included. However I have often mentioned something like a % is asked to confirm. And didn’t have any issues posting. Who said people don’t pay deposits because they don’t know how? It certainly wasn’t me. I was just letting someone know that it’s NOT a matter of it being difficult, and that it’s easy to do so with a number of apps or transfer services like Zelle. Now if it’s a factor or it being difficult due to the other things I mentioned: I don’t have much control over that. Just like I have no control over deposits that hotels and apartments want when I want to host clients 🤷🏾‍♂️ And don’t try to take comments I make, and try to use that in a way to make a point. Just because I said what I said, has nothing to do with deposits. I don’t know the providers you mentioned or where they are based, so I can’t compare. You just mentioned 3 variables that likely don’t compare: your local market, another visiting and one when you were traveling and you don’t even mention what cities they are. So how can I even compare that to anything? If they’re not in my specific area, dealing with the specific type of market I’m dealing with: then there’s no reason to bring it up at all. And slowest month ever, doesn’t mean I didn’t just see $1,000 in 2 days last weekend ☝ The problem is: I can’t make that kind of money anymore in my own region. I had to travel 5-6 hours to the next state just to do it. It seems like many of the gay population here is broke and on a budget, and like I told a client buddy of mine yesterday who lives in the area: there’s more and more fly by night guys keep advertising in this area. Yet 99% most of all inquiries here is a flake or a phony. It’s the perfect storm: few clients, too much competition. Deposits probably only have like 0.5% to do with it because, I try to book people without deposits on alternative sites, and they still don’t want to pay for anything. Or they want to pay $100-$120. Best to have the whole picture, before making statements that you don’t have all the info on. Slowest month is in regards to my home area of Kansas City. And even before I started charging deposits here, people were still not reliable, flaking on appointments, cancelling as I was about to walk out the door…any and everything. Then I would have to regularly travel long distances for appointments to other regions, and I didn’t want to take the risk going to places just based on a couple flirty texts. It’s not eharmony. It’s escorting. All of my clients all understand and have no issue with deposit. And don’t compare me to other providers. You keep making anecdotal comments, which can’t be verified. And anybody can lie and tell you they’re busy, to make you feel however they want you to feel. The real world is talking totally different: Also: The issue is: people are asking questions, yet people keep bringing up how they never have to, how others don’t, etc etc. Is it really end stop if people can’t just agree: “some providers will, some providers won’t. It does not imply in any way anything other than a personal preference, and each escort has the option to do whichever method they choose to do”. Simple as that.

Well that sounds moreso of a personal preference versus actual facts. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with making available plenty of travel locations. Especially within close range of one another. Even if I don’t go to all of them, there may be someone in at least a couple who’s willing to connect. The best way to resolve that is by reaching out to the person ahead of time. Just because other guys may have taken a day or two to respond doesn’t mean everyone is the same. It’s not necessarily that I’m focusing on just small cities, it’s simply what I have to work with based on where I am and where I’m nearby. I’m not close enough to a megapolis to actively post up in those, so I try to focus on areas I can get to within a couple or so hours. One that’s not going to involve hundreds of dollars before I even get my first client, to visit. As for ease of deposit: you can’t sit here and tell me this is difficult: There’s 2 buttons: pay/request and enter the amount. It’s not rocket science. A 5th grader can do it. There’s nothing difficult about a deposit, people do it very easily. The ones who don’t want to deposit and comment about how difficult it is: are often either non-committal, not trustworthy, not trusting of the provider, too paranoid within their marriage (and plenty married clients do fine to send deposits), or they just don’t have the best intent. I can’t sit around and be fixated about what other providers are doing or not doing to make it easier for clients. There’s also guys giving it up for free, if I were to worry about them making it easier for people, I would be not even doing this at all 🤷🏾‍♂️ And as I’ve said before: I’ve not done deposits in the past, and people were still on the same ole games and BS. Only difference now, I’m not on the games and BS. I’m not a newbie anymore who’s willing to take risks going places or setting up hotels, just to be cancelled on. And time and time again, the ones who either don’t pay deposits or I forget to ask: usually end up bailing anyway. I have nothing to lose based on the things I’ve experienced.

Sounds like you’re on the right track. I even talk to non escort friends about the deposit thing, and they all agree. Non of them would be driving to the next town or paying to book a room without a deposit. I used to do stuff like that, but times have changed. Many sites have shutdown, hookup apps have affected the market, men are flakier. And too: my risk level has changed. I used to like the thrill of maybe getting 5 clients, maybe getting 0. But that’s too much gambling and speculation for me. I need to do things fair and sensible. I would be foolish to do that now. It’s not necessary to get overly technical about it, but just the simple fact: the providers take a bigger risk in the situation and should be given assurance without feeling up against the wall to be a scam. I want to laugh with you, but don’t get it 🤔 Hard to tell in that specific exchange…and yeah some providers like myself, I may advertise in multiple cities. Some I’m WILLING to go to, others I actually will be passing thru. If I’m say: going to Phoenix and someone reaches out asking if I ever go to Las Vegas: it’s a chance the message may not have the urgency to immediately reply to. Or if it’s some place far out, I might bookmark it or reference my site instead. As for the clients asking rates/availability/location: it’s a fine line. If a client gets rate, availability and my address and then flakes out: that’s not just an inquiry. At that point I’m expecting for something to happen. Issue is, many providers don’t have a “head hunter” handling all the inquiries. Or a madam. So I assume when a client reaches out, he’s done his part to read/review my ad and website with rates and ready to book. When someone comes empty handed with no idea of anything, and I take the time to walk them through and get no booking out of it: that’s when I want to start asking for a consultation. At the end of the day, the phone bill doesn’t get paid answering inquiries that go nowhere. The hotel, rent and car insurance don’t get paid when inquiries go unreplied to either. Escorts and providers are still relying on people to follow thru. Answering texts aren’t going to pay for those things if they’re not getting a booking out of it.

Well asking a deposit shouldn’t be any less customer friendly than not asking for one. That should be fairly irrelevant. Besides I always say, if someone is going to pay anyway…what’s the issue? Assuming it’s not a scam but a verified, reputable provider with reviews and longevity. That said, this month alone I’ve had 3 clients who have sent deposits, and bailed on the booking. Thanks but, I’m not about to sit around and listen to people harp on about an escort scamming someone out of a deposit. If anything some people are scamming themselves out of a deposit 🤷🏾‍♂️

As a Pro or a Buyer? That said, since then I’ve put my profile back up…However it’s not been serving its use much in my current market. Few even contact via the number in profile and 9/10 are flakes and phonies anyway. Used it recently in a nearby state and seemed like I was going to get 3 appointments: non of them came thru. Plus, it’s nothing new but: many the ones on there don’t have a sense of price and often want to offer some lowball amount. I’m hanging into it for visibility but, I’ve found a different site megapersonals…which is just as quirky and 🤦🏾‍♂️ as Adam but: at least it’s free. Paying $30 a month just to deal with nonsense, is starting to be too much…

Canada does the same too… Crossing borders is just too much. You pretty much have to invent an entire legitimate reason to be going, and not even think about anything you might be doing. That said, I’ve lost interest in hopes of going to Canada. But if I were to do it again, definitely would stick to train or air, use a clean phone and device, have everything laid out. Like @BenjaminNicholas said, they want your whole life story, how much money you bringing, etc etc. Plus it’s too damn cold up there lol. If I want to go to Canada, I can just go to Minnesota or New York and that’s pretty much Canada for somebody from Florida lol.

Ha Ha Ha. Actually not… I already have a long list of upcoming travel planned. Last time I worked retail (circa 2005-06), the rule of “anyone who doesn’t show up the Friday after thanksgiving, gets fired”. And of course that was precisely the time I was scheduled to go with relatives to Miami 🤦🏾‍♂️ Fortunately I was able to keep my position, but I think I tapped out just before Christmas. The frantic women did it for me 🚯 1 lady wanted to make a snide remark with me about a towel at the register, goodbye 😂 That said, I wouldn’t blame someone for wanting to go that route. If I didn’t travel, I would be in deep shit right about now. My home market is just dead, dead, dead. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a city, where things have been more consistently down for MONTHS than it has in Kansas City. And then like Los Angeles, I’m seeing more and more ads popping up (though not many gold ads, telling) yet nobody is even paying for nothing out there. Makes me wonder who’s all aware at how frugal and unreliable these men out here can be. Even some of the real clients, show little respect and dependability when dealing with escorts. It’s common some will attempt to book a session, do it very half ass and haphazard (don’t respond for hours and then last minute try to fit something in which rarely works). Then ghost or not contact for months. Unless like last week: I just happen to already be ready, in my car driving around and not doing much else with my time except: getting into the gym just 10 minutes ago. I’m just disgusted, dismayed. Disconcerted. Everything that starts with a D, I feel…and not the D I want to feel lol. I haven’t experienced such an extended period of slow biz until I came here…it used to be fairly tolerable, but lately it’s just gone straight to 🔥 in a 🧺 I see escorts posting, but I know not many actually booking 🤦🏾‍♂️ Once I finish my next tour: I’m hoping I save enough to make a strategic exit plan 🪂 next month.