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That’s why it’s always important to never put too much stake in one advertising platform. I’ve seen it with Craigslist, Men4Rent, Rentboy, Adam, Backpage, HourBoy, and now RentMen. Every site is bound to change or do something different than what we’re used to, and it doesn’t even surprise or scare me anymore. If anything, I’m just grateful the site is still up at all. I’m not “glad” that they removed open nude pics (and in some ways the site was starting to look trashy looking at a grid of 20 different dick shots, and only served to add more fuel to the fire that is Timewasters and lookie loos): However, there needs to be an incentive behind it. Many people aren’t going to be happy having to either send pictures or do without. But if someone doesn’t have a website, I would advise people to start signing back up to Adam4Adam, and then let that be the “alternate” platform for communication and dick pic unlocks. However, it’s not for the faint of heart. The amount of Timewasters on the site has surged. And barely even getting clients from it lately. My profile expired and I haven’t renewed it simply because I can’t be bothered right now. RentMen chat is also an option, but it’s too vague on the client side. At least on Adam I can see their physical description, location and age without even seeing a photo. RentMen requires us to fish for the info. However as I’ve mentioned, RentMasseur hasn’t been allowing open nudes for as long as I remember. Yet it still has a big following and viewers. No nudes but rates are allowed. Perhaps RentMen is working with that solution: bringing rates back, removing nudes. But I can’t read their mind on what they are planning to do necessarily. What I would like for them to do next, and save us all unnecessary time wasting…put in a message where it says “call me” and let us write something pertinent they need to know before reaching out. Too many out here are contacting clueless: either they’re calling when I say text only, asking for incalls when I’m not hosting, not into deposits even I say I require deposits, thinking I’m in a city when I’m not in that city: for fucks sake RentMen let us educate these people with a short note before they contact us, because many never seem to read the ad beforehand lol.

Which is great, like I said. OR: The sites can just be considerate and not be shitty. I personally don’t believe decrim is the knight in shining armor that we’re waiting for. It’ll be great if and when that happens, provided there’s no strings attached. We need to “policy” ourselves and also communicate. Write to RentMen. I write to RentMass and RentM several times a year with my concerns and questions about what’s going on with the site. We don’t need to just wait around for a White man 👨🏻‍💼 or Black woman 🧑🏾‍💼 in a suit to give us “approval”. That’s not making it about race but just saying, like…we don’t need decrim, legalization, any of that shit. We also don’t need their rules and regulations running the ship either. We need respect, freedom and proper self policing. Just like being gay has moved past “decriminalized” and now is just an accepted way of living. That’s all I want. They can keep politics out of our pants lol.

Btw, just found something that I’ll have to start sending next time someone asks me for full service escort, and only wants to pay $150-200. Because, some people seem to think $150-200 is the best rates for a provider to charge, otherwise it’s “too much” 🤦🏾‍♂️ This is starting from around when RentMen first came onto the market: And then…

facts 🤦🏾‍♂️

I wish I could help you understand this but the only understanding is, they’re cheap. 1 or 2 guys scammed them, with 0 reviews and probably didn’t even show their face, just a dick sitting on a toilet, and now every provider on RentMen is a scam. They want to sit back and let you do all the work for them, while you give them the “option” to keep (or not) their end of the arrangement. What I would say each time someone says what you said is: “I’ve also been burned and scammed as well, and I pay $79+ a month to advertise on the site you viewed me on. If you’re not able to pay the deposit, you’ll have to pay/book the hotel and travel for me.” Or if they are local add: if you cancel and I meet without a deposit, there’s a $75 cancellation fee you’ll need to bring to me. Watch the flakes run for the 🏜️ or watch them meet you in a parking lot and bring the money. But I got tired of fighting and bill collecting from clients like that. It’s too stressful, and ruins the relationship (that was never had because they never made it to first base in the first place). Rather just get deposit ahead and if something comes up, at least I get something for my effort. I agree up to the extent that it almost sounds like the “if you don’t vote…you can’t complain”. I guess if you do vote and don’t win, you can do what a certain group of people, who thought a certain political figure “told them” to do, I guess 🤷🏾‍♂️ I don’t think there’s an answer to/not to complain. The ultimatums presented don’t really give much solace to the fact that: as you said, there’s a risk in both. Taking deposits may take a hit to one’s income , not taking deposits may mean being stranded or out $400. Non of that is something someone “shouldn’t” complain about. I think instead of playing devil’s advocate, we can talk about what are some ways a client can properly verify a provider before sending deposit and/or get money back from someone IF and only IF, they didn’t show and out right ghosted. Or we can talk about why clients shouldn’t be flaky, educate them on how to arrange bookings and not fear providers asking for a deposit. Perhaps educate providers on WHEN it’s necessary to take a deposit, so they can avoid being stiffed or stood up. If a provider is spending money to host a client (hotel/air bnb): get a deposit. Doesn’t matter if it’s an incall or if other clients booked that day. If you’re traveling a distance that could be inconvenient if a client cancels, get a deposit too. Trust and believe when I say; every situation you can name: I’ve had it happen. Every situation. All of the above.

You would surprised how many lookers DON’T read ads 🤦🏾‍♂️ like I literally have it in writing, in my ad and still get people talking about “cash only”. I even had to go as far as removing my number, and making sure they clicked my website and understood. I think some of the inquiries are just straight up scammers themselves because it’s like, how do people manage to contact me when my number is removed, and still act like they didn’t know I asked for a deposit?? 🤦🏾‍♂️ You’d be surprised. Had a client last month in Columbus who wouldn’t even send a deposit for a $400 visit, even though he knew I had to travel from St. Louis and stop in Ohio to meet him, on my way to DC. And the kicker is, he wanted me to host which means spending hotel money out of my pocket. But he was more than happy to write me a whole letter about how interested he was, and his prostate issues 🤦🏾‍♂️ People like that are the real scammers. All he has to do, is not show up: and I’m out of hotel money and possible other work. Luckily enough, I booked a different client in Cincinnati who did send a deposit. Maybe they do that because they don’t want to lose the client right up front. So they probably rather wait to see if they can get them to commit beforehand I agree except, even if someone did add the deposit: hotels do it all the time, and get away with it. (didn’t take long to find this and it’s just an example). Yet many guys expect us to travel to a city AND pay for a hotel, along with possible fees and deposits, before getting cash in hand. How is that fair (not questioning you, just the overall principle). So in some cases, the deposit could be added by an escort for that reason. How is it fair for a provider to spend $100-200-300 on a room, and then have that amount subtracted from their earning…Unless they are seeing multiple clients, which these days seems uncommon unless in the ideal market 🤷🏾‍♂️ Bingo, 100%… and people and clients need to just understand: IT IS NOT FREE TO BE AN ESCORT. Sometimes I just want to tell “cash only” guys, “take that cash and shove it up your ass”. However I know that would be unprofessional and rude, but it’s just the principle. People can’t reasonably expect that a provider is going to always be willing to shoulder the full burden of risk: commuting and/or booking accommodations on the “hope” that the client will show up and they’ll make back their expenses. The escort is generally the person with the greater need for money. A client may not want to be scammed and lose $50-$100, but an escort stands the chance of losing hotel ($75-$250 on average) plus, PLUS…PLUSSSSS, the payment from the client AND from potential other client. So a cancelled/flaked session may cost an escort $90 hypothetical hotel+ $300 hypothetical rate = $390. At a Loss. What escort is asking for a $390 deposit to cover that potential loss? Every time I think about stopping deposits, someone does something else to make me keep asking them. Someone who can’t understand why a provider with a website, multiple good reviews, established in the biz for years is asking for a deposit: the person is a scammer, potential scammer, or likely scammed a provider in the past. I even had a regular who was anti-deposit, he admitted to booking a popular provider for two hours, who was visiting Kansas City and cancelled on him to see me instead. I told him, I appreciate it but: I don’t normally condone stiffing another provider. It’s 2023. Things change. Businesses change. People used to pay cash to cabs: look at Uber and Lyft. Clients who can’t get with the program are going to frustrate a lot of providers, and be using their own right or left hand (or mouth if they can get that far 😆 And for providers who take deposits and don’t show: that can happen with or without deposit. I have seen/heard escorts scam clients right before their eyes, even with cash. If someone really wanted to rip a client off, they could take your cash and gun you down or have someone ready to jump out the other room or closet. So it’s no fool proof method for not being ripped off. The whole concept about not sending a deposit being safer, is just ludicrous and ignorant. The opposite is true. If they wouldn’t walk around with cash normally for safety, they shouldn’t use cash as a safety mechanism because they “been scammed before”. I should say, “well I been robbed before so, I don’t walk around with cash, you need to pay with etc etc” I think people who say that anyway are just full of crap and won’t show anyway. They know they’re playing games, they aren’t fooling me or anybody else with the nonsense paranoia.

lol idk why, but those can be my favorites. It’s like finally: let yourself be freeeee—eaky lol.

100 percent. And people just have to accept that some providers will ask a deposit. Doesn’t mean it’s always a scam. If someone is going pay a provider anyway: no need to put up a fight about sending one if the person proves to show legit. Now, I’ve heard of situations like from a client of mine: a home builder company was asking him something like THOUSANDS of dollars for a deposit to build on the land plot. They weren’t going to spend their money, they needed him to front it. He was talking about this project for awhile, but ended up backing out. Even had the blueprint and everything. If I were that builder: I woulda been asking for deposit from day 1, if I knew it was something I needed. I’m sure there’s ways for clients how to do their own “screening” on someone, but that’s not in my arena.

You’re right. I had to fact check that and go back. I called him first because he was asking to meet that night, and I since he was clear across town I had needed to get a response soon. Then he called me like 30 minutes later. I guess it seemed like 10-15 minutes including the texts that were sent. The actual time was more like: Of course, he didn’t book that night or the next like he said he was: and now he’s blocked and added to the bad list along with the other reports he has too ✌ In fact, since I only stayed on the phone for 4 minutes: I think it should be stated 😂 It’s especially tricky when I say, “well okay I have to get going” and then they somehow slip in another question or sentence. And who even questions that anyway?? It’s a reason why the show on MTV called catfish is still on air, tons of stories where people have spent months chatting with someone and haven’t met yet. Idk why someone would attempt to “ridicule” someone who has spent more time on the phone than necessary.

I’m almost thinking about moving to New Orleans for the season. I had a good time when I was there, and was busier with appointments than I expected. I’m just not feeling my current State at all. And St. Louis is kind of like the “Midwest” New Orleans (even has a Mardi Gras as well)…but it’s just not popping. I was a hit in New Orleans for a few days. I liked the steady visitor traffic and even the locals were eager. Only 1 person didn’t want to do a deposit, but he still showed up. I told him: meet me in front of the hot dog 🌭 restaurant lol. I didn’t get to see it all this trip, but I did want to check out Metairie a bit more…at a bartender’s advice. Even though I liked the city, it’s embodies everything “ Big City south” and with that comes racism, crime, poverty…in sections. And the open hand drinking I love: but it definitely brings out the crazies. It reminded me of Las Vegas the most. I happen to know a friend who goes there often, who can help chaperone on future visits. And I was already making new friends at the Phoenix gay bar lol.

I stopped answering unexpected calls awhile ago. Part of me wants to go back to doing so, but like @Simon Suraci, most of the answers are going to be in the ads. I also prefer not to be caught off guard. Unlike other professions that may be “working” between certain hours, our hours may be variable or only when actively taking a client. I always send a text when I see a phone call. I’m willing to talk on the phone, but only after client has provided screening details and has agreed to send a deposit. If they’re just calling me up out the blue, I’m not doing it. Too easy of an opportunity to be disrespected or spend too much time on the phone. It used to be okay awhile ago, but I find the majority of serious clients recognize a text or even email, is usually the best way to break the ice. Last time I allowed myself to answer a call was in August while I was in Denver. The guy talked good game for 10-15 minutes. But he wasn’t ready to book that day and gave me the run around the next day, and had some questionable comments on the Number. I’ll answer a phone call maybe once a year, and then not have to wonder why I don’t take them anymore. However, I don’t mind to phone up someone as I’m arriving or if they need directions getting to where I am. But phone calls: have to be scheduled with an appointment

Thanks for clarifying that, and extra 🧁 points for reading my ad/reviews and of course the compliments are appreciated! 🎉 And I should add: I’m not advocating deposits (e.g. let’s ALL charge one), I’m moreso letting people know: don’t necessarily hate on it either. I know some escorts don’t like to do them because it sometimes obligates them to show up to a city or booking they may need to change later. I respect that. And I’ll say yes: it took me awhile to get to this point. The old-younger me, didn’t take deposits. My door was open, I would drive miles away with nothing but a phone call or text, and address. However, my location has changed, things have changed. Things that have happened to me over the years have changed how I do business. When I’ve been: -stood up en route -short changed, -f**k a client and he “goes to his car to get the money” but never comes back, -drive 500 miles only for the client to cancel upon arrival, -book hotel rooms and client texts to cancel as I’m handing over the credit card to the front desk, -book a hotel for $90 at the Sheraton on Priceline (non refundable) and two clients both no show: It changes you. It changes your confidence and trust that some random 👨🏻 is going to pay me upon arrival, let alone show up. The excitement and thrill of doing that, doesn’t replace real life shit that has actually happened to me. Then again, I actually was taking deposits even long time ago. Even before cash app, Venmo and PayPal became popular: I was occasionally accepting on western Union or MoneyGram if the client was a drive far away. They happily did it without fuss. You’re confusing hate with “hate” lol. Hate IS ridicule. Ever heard the terms “Haterade” or “player hater”? I was thinking about something. I have 3 options: I can stop deposits, but I’ll contact you when a client wants me to host (which means I need to book separate accommodations to host most of the time) or travel to an area an hour or more from where I reside. That way, I won’t have to ask for a deposit. Or 2, if and when a person fails to show up, or cancels 20 minutes prior to me arriving to their location: I’ll contact you and ask for their reimbursement of my fee. That way I don’t have to ask them for cancel fee. Or #3 non of the above: I can stop deposits but will no longer host (eliminating overheads). When I travel, I’ll just get any run of mill hotel that suits my budget, and will not pick hotels in convenient areas if it’s more than I care to afford. Even if it’s 30 miles outside of town. Clients will have to pay/provide all accommodations to host. All Outcalls will require direct phone call to their hotel room OR picture of ID that is attached to their home address. Any of those sound doable?

I also looked up more literature to read, regarding how other established pros feel about deposits. Take note 📝 And regarding scams:

You’re hating on a sex worker right now. Just think about it. You’re being rude and condescending, dissing another man’s way of working: yet you’re not hating on sex workers. Hmm 🤔 And why are you concerned about how many bookings I get in a particular city? If you’re not willing to do deposits, that’s your prerogative. You shouldn’t be offended nor be defensive about it. Every person has a particular way of working that suits them. Just because you hire regularly, doesn’t mean you are the manual to how a person should run their ship. It also has nothing to do with going 3 days without a client. It may be that way for someone, even if they didn’t ask deposits. Again, to prove my point AGAIN from other sources: Again, not me posting. Another source. I’m only posting this stuff to educate you and the PRESUMPTION (which I’m only doing because I have extra time on hand) It’s easy to point blame and criticize someone when they say something you don’t agree with. But when I’m not the only one talking about the same thing, hopefully you can get out of the critical mindset.

Well if that’s how you feel, maybe you don’t even need to be in this arena. Thats a condescending view towards the profession. If thats true, I should be equally wary paying upfront for what I have to do to book a meet. Expecting an anonymous person with no pics or reviews, to show up to a hotel I spent or drove across town to see. And yes I will keep doing what I’m doing because it is working out for me 👍🏾 Thankyou very much. When I wasn’t doing deposits, there were still flakes and no shows, and people who asked for appointments but argued they never confirmed. Only difference now is, I’m not wasting my resources on gas and hotel rooms expecting people to come thru and leaving me hanging. Or giving out my apartment address without a deposit, and then wondering if someone is just trying to address collect from me. And just to prove my point from elsewhere in the escort world (not a post from me): So erase the hating on deposits and sex workers.

Thanks for the uplifting words. I know it’s hard to navigate the scammers, and someone new may be reluctant. But that’s why I give options when I can. I will sometimes say: instead of deposit, I can consider etc etc instead. We’ve already seen that, you don’t even HAVE to do a deposit, and still get scammed. I just don’t like that there’s people cruising the sites, who try to put up a fight about deposits: or the word @Vin_Marco used: an honorarium. In my case, a nominal honorarium for basic upfront costs that I have to spend out of pocket. Whether that’s $100 on hotel or $20 for gas. Uber does it Lyft does it Amazon does it AMC movie theaters does it Apple does it RentMen themselves do it! They charge us upfront, before even guaranteeing we’ll ever get a client. No escort site allow us to post, and then pay out of proceeds of clients, unless it’s just a free site all together. All these places and companies charge something before receiving material or service. I don’t care how many times someone has been scammed. If it wasn’t by me, it’s a non factor. Seekers must stop with the nonsense about making it seem they’re so horrified and shocked 😯 that an escort asks something upfront before meeting and/or travel. It’s not a hookup/dating app. Amazon is not delivering Tarzan before payment.

I appreciate you speaking up for me but, let’s not go that route lol. I don’t want to get off on the tangent of politics or stereotypes 😂 Also, the Midwest is somewhat an unspoken territory around here. I don’t think many in the Midwest, consider it Midwest lol. And there’s Ohio, Indiana that also get branded as Midwest, even though they are in eastern time zone (which shares cities like New York and Miami). But technically: they are in the “middle” Of where the east and west begin, respectively: I’m glad you’re willing to learn. That’s what the purpose of it is. I didn’t mean to come off arrogant or pompous. It was just an example of how to make a good encounter versus an adversarial encounter. I actually hesitated on posting because I didn’t want to appear to be bragging, but I get tired of people making it seem like I’m perpetually frustrated or like having a deposit is a ticket to rejection.

Not to add the apparent new Iran/Israel/Hamsas war brewing. Just seems like, can’t catch a break for long! Like it’s always something. I think humans are just become more combative and irrational, like in the 1940s. I almost kinda like how they “faked” everything was great back in the 50s and 60s 😂

Hun, that’s not a similar incident. That’s completely different. In my case: I may ask if someone has read my ad, if they presume to argue or say something like “cash only” despite me mentioning first line in my ad, and including it in my website. That shows the person did not read my ad. I just dealt with that today. Someone expected me to be willing to drive almost two hours away, and book a room for the visit: yet says he doesn’t want to send deposit. Meanwhile this is all mentioned in my ad and website. So clearly all he did was look at pictures, and then look for number. All the other info I posted, went out the 🪟 That’s a lot different than saying you are asking if the guy needs an Uber. That is a nice gesture, but via text maybe the guy took it to mean: “I have to pay for your Uber too 🤨 “ Not even in the same league ⚾️

Good array of options given, it’s always good to have more than 1 choice at hand. I think you drafted up a pretty decent consultation lol. However, and this is just from experience : unless someone already has a lawyer on call (and I’ve known guys who have lawyer friends which is easy), I’d just be “reasonable” about expectations. Back when I was younger and dumber (and too trusting of so-called friends), I’ve had a couple situations that required having to consult a lawyer. Lawyers aren’t always interested in “disputes”. They’re also in biz to make money. And a lot of lawyers are honest and will tell you in their free consolidation: “this isn’t going to make me money OR this case is too petty for me to pursue, you don’t have a case, etc”. Of course it doesn’t seem that way, but from the outside looking in, that’s what it could be. In a case like that, something like a police report and restraining order will save the $1,200 one may have to pay an attorney to handle it. And most likely, that’s what they’ll refer anyway. I actually briefly had a stalker in Nashville years ago. I reached out to the police, but it wasn’t anything promising they could offer. I think what finally stopped was, I can’t remember anymore what I did…but he finally backed off. Well I should clarify; it’s not that I don’t believe what happened: it’s just that it sounded like something else might have been at play (no pun intended). But I’m not going to gaslight your story, because only you and him know what happened. I was just moreso wondering about how did this and that happen in the way it did. But your honesty in that you were horny (I think many of us have been guilty of horny fog 😶‍🌫️ at some point) was understandable. But by all means, dude was out of pocket in the situation. I think he knew what he was doing…however if he was a real bait and switch, he should have just asked you when you walked in the door, and made sure he got the money. Or turned you away. To go thru with it, and then the next day come after you…just seems off. So you aren’t in the wrong, but I don’t think threatening to shutdown RentM was the answer. However I do agree, they should do some better screening and I’ve said it before: there needs to be a tutorial on RM training clients and escorts how to book and behave. People barely even know how to read an ad, let alone deal with a confronting situation 🤦🏾‍♂️

Thanks, but yes I did catch your point. And I concur with the accuracy of such. Sorry I got off on a tangent there for a moment. I should probably clarify, this was another “tongue in cheek” type of thread that I know the answer, but it was more a hypothetical question. I know rates aren’t going to go down, at least not for the foreseeable. Even where it is legal, like in areas of Nevada: it’s way more than $200 and $300. If anything it would have the effect of alcohol, as you mentioned. Or lobster 🦞, which was once considered sailor scraps. As for being frustrated in a business of pleasure: I must clarify it’s not the business. It’s the lack of quality and accountable clients that are prevalent in certain markets, and who seem to gravitate to certain websites/providers. I know you can consider yourself privileged and blessed to maybe have a higher tolerance or less an issue in affluent areas. And being of a type that appeals to the “ideal” definition of beauty, may also have its advantage. However, not everybody has that advantage and some have to work in shitty markets where the clients constantly hassle, low ball, argue over anything more than $100-$200, list goes on. Even today, I had to deal with a gem who’s been trying to book since yesterday, and he was supposed to send deposit to confirm until, he didn’t: (I’m in Blue of course) That’s not business. That’s retail theft lol. That’s why Target had to close a few stores in some areas. I’m dealing with the same thing in my region. Potential Shoplifters, over text lol. It’s like, how can one not be frustrated dealing with idiots like this? I had one good client in the past week…and that’s it. $400 but, that’s not really ample when I’ve had several other flaked/bullshit bookings. And the past 2 bookings I’ve had, I’ve not been able to save anything because when 3-4-5 inquiries don’t keep their word, that just backs up things I was planning to do. So this past month, the money from a booking is low within 2-3 days. It seems only 1 client out of many, who are not liars out here. I have a reason to be frustrated, but just because I talk about it doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy the business. I just don’t like people who are full of shit, and that’s why I have to continue asking deposits to begin with. Those same people will have me driving out and booking a room and will blatantly lie about coming and don’t. Been down that road before.

I have to agree with @BOZO T CLOWNand @Vin_Marco. Even though the situation is upsetting for sure, it just doesn’t seem right. But I can’t say necessarily one way or another. Not sure why the provider would wait until the next day, and just not when he was there to ask for the phantom payment. Why would he leave, and then… Wait, who went to whose place on this meeting in the first place? And I agree with @DrownedBoy, it’s no reason to drag RentMen under the bus 🚌, and jeopardize every provider’s earning or give RentMen MORE reasons to lock us down MORE than they’ve already done (no nudes, no rates, no mention of even the word escort being allowed, etc.) They have no responsibility any more than Grindr, Adam, or your local gay bar or bath house has…for something happening to you, OUTSIDE of the venue at hand. It happens. And they won’t have any grounds to be shutdown, because it’s an advertising platform with no rates. I agree you should probably just settle and pay him a portion and see if that helps. You could always flip the script and say you’re going to look him up too, but: fire and fire equals: 💣 🌋 However, I just don’t 100% see it. I mean to go from “you can’t afford it” to him saying “let’s do it anyway” just sounds too messy and confusing. Like wtf. Even if he said let’s do it anyway, I still woulda said: “I don’t want to cheat you BUT, let’s be clear this is a free service right? And reiterate that before and during meeting, and again after if you have to. But yeah…sounds crazy. I hate hearing stuff like this because then some clients run with stories like this, and call ANY escort who asks for payment for a cancelled or session that went longer than planned/parts of a session wasn’t expected a scammer/blackmailer/etc. Hell…I even think many gay dudes think we’re scammers just for the mere fact of trying to sell our services in the first place. It’s just sad. There doesn’t need to be all this animosity in the biz if people were just transparent from the get go.

This is definitely a factor I know. The amount of provider ads have gone up, and I believe that’s partially because unlike 2008-2016 era: there’s no Craigslist or backpage for entry level or lower priced guys to start out on. It used to be a distinct difference between RentBoy, M4RN and Backpage: Upscale, midgrade, regular. Now, RentM has basically become the platform for everyone. Of course there’s others like Mintboys and a couple others, but they still don’t even have the traffic CL and backpage used to get. And the ads are often weird, very vague: which also attracts tons of Timewasters and off-gay clients. But, I try to advertise much as possible and free advertising I can’t complain about. Otherwise yes, a lot of guys seem to be driven into sex work, which is why I said before: I try to steer clear of the big cities because it’s too many guys all trying to do the same thing. But even the medium markets like Kansas City are starting to get overcrowded, yet there’s nobody paying shit. They’re all on these hookup apps talking about how much they don’t pay for sex. It’s like…sad to me that some people actually have to write that in their profile. If they have to write that, they should be paying for sex, since they brought it up first ☝️ You’re right, and I discussed this before. For anyone to say older escorts can’t be equally valued: is basically discrediting the majority of escorts on this forum since many are over 30 and even 40 years old. And that…deserves a visit from Will Smith. Keep my age, out your f-ing mouth 👋🏽 lol And I’ve said before, I feel I’m hornier and more desirable now than in my 20s. And my friends are the same, some are jerking off multiple times a day..and I’m like, I can’t: I gotta save it for a client lol. Thanks. But it’s not so much just my number. Lot of it is coming thru emails and DMs on Adam4Adam. Such as this: I’m like okay, he not even looking for a pro. He just trying to give somebody gas money. That’s not even a rate, and not even something for me to entertain. But I’ve said it before, Adam 4 Adam “clients” can be a workload. I keep the platform because it gives the chance to see potential client profiles, but too many of them are just not educated on prices. Well if you ask me: one of my longest regs liked to suck dick and get fucked, then go hunting for Elk 🦌 and Bear 🐻 in Alaska 😆 Goes to show certain people need to drop the stereotypes ☝️ I been called daddy but I don’t go for no late teens ☝️ Early 20s maybe… I know that’s well intentioned but: I should just address this from my own perspective. Its great that you can afford to make such trips, and perhaps you don’t require gas money if you’re already in the area…or have other means to cover it. However, in my case: it’s not about gas money. When I ask clients for deposits, it’s not always that I can’t afford my own way or don’t have the means. However, I like to set a precedent from the start that my time is valuable, and it begins BEFORE the session starts. The concessions to drive, rearrange even simple plans with my day, spend money on hotels to host (and you’ve said previously you don’t really have to get a hotel to host clients because they host you, right?): all that is time and money spent. I’ve given examples before, there are some insidious people out there who don’t care or value the time and money I spend to see them. Therefore I won’t waste my time or resources going to visit them. IF and when they become a regular client: usually then I’ll offer to meet without asking for deposit. I even wrote a line on my website: I’m NO LONGER able to provide free outcalls and pay for hotels out of pocket, without a deposit to confirm. Even if they have to mail it to my P.O. Box. And that’s just to further emphasize: I used to be able to do it, but now: I’m not willing to do it. I’ve been in the game since 2008, and I’ve had times I’ve driven long distances or booked rooms for bookings and chanting; “hope he doesn’t cancel, hope he doesn’t cancel”. Sometimes it worked out, other times it didn’t. And when it didn’t, guess who I had to call to give me the $250-$300-$400 that I lost? Nobody. So now, I don’t take chances anymore. I don’t want to, there’s no reason I should need to. I can’t see how $50-$100 is going to kill someone, especially if like you say: they give it to you anyway. And in the free sex world: half these guys don’t even offer gas money at all. That’s why I rarely give them the time of day. Unless they are within close range of me, like less than 5 miles: I won’t bother. Because I’ve had too many guys, have me waste my gas to see them, and pull some shady shit at some point. The last one, and the last time: I drove 90 miles to see him, spent the night: and had to leave again the next morning at 6:45 a.m. because he couldn’t trust me to stay while he went to work. And we met each other 3-4 times. I was like, I might as well stayed home 🤷🏾‍♂️ that was $30 of gas right there, just to be inconvenienced. We had a good time, but it was completely soured by the fact I had to get up and do that drive all over again, after I only had 3 hours of sleep 👎🏾 In the world, or in the United States? Didn’t we just have a discussion about 1. RentM taking down our nudes? 2. And we can’t post rates on many sites. 3. Can’t advertise services on the street 4. PayPal closes sex suspected accounts 5. Can’t get a business license as “sex worker” to begin with, it doesn’t exist 6. sex work only legal in select counties in Nevada, not Las Vegas/Clark county 7. Texas just made portions of the industry a felony 8. Certain states regularly runs stings 9. can’t advertise as escort on Grindr/scruff/jack’d where majority gay men cruise for sex 10. Sex work is excluded in the terms of many card/app companies TOS. So…remind me again, what free market you’re referring to again? Last thing we need is for people to sugarcoat the under-protections the industry has. There needs to be a continued activism to decriminalize and de-stigmatize it on multiple levels. I’m not versed on the alcohol part, but as far as marijuana goes: I have seen what it did in Colorado. It made a lot of people wealthy but at the same time, brought out too many dispensaries. The city is chock full of them on every corner, moreso than liquor stores it seems. What used to be something like a hardware store or fast food place, is a weed store. It’s just really gave Denver a sorta “smokers” haven. I don’t smoke like that so I’m not an expert on it… However, it did bring about a “commerce” of sorts. The prices stabilized and were “justified” and expected. Meanwhile, more escorts started posting in Denver, and the whole market is trash 🚮 right now. After my last trip to Denver in August, told myself I will not go back there again unless I have a $1,000 client. I know there’s a local poster from Denver here on the forum, but the majority others have become rude, timewasting, unreliable. I had 0 clients during the 3 days I was there, and basically threw away 🚮 money I had made in another city. That was an example of a city I went to and didn’t get gas money from anyone: hoping when I got there I would book people, but ended up having to suffer with the setback. That’s why I don’t bother seeing anyone who can’t send a deposit. Too many guys from the sites lie, and have tons of bad reports from other escorts. So I think everyone, clients and escorts: has to accept not everyone is going to deal the same.

I’m just going to let this question sit for a minute… Car Insurance Rates Skyrocket 17.8%—Why Is This Happening And What Can You Do? WWW.FORBES.COM Car insurance rates are up by double digits and drivers may not see relief anytime soon. According to the... I get the pay range for us varies greatly. There’s people out there who feel $50 to $100 is reasonable to spend. Yes one may be paying but, it’s not an all inclusive ticket to every service, for everybody. Some think $200 is ample to get FULL service (the whole 9+69 hint hint lol) for the guy they want. Back in 2008, $200 was about the average/median for most escorts with professional taken pictures on RentBoy. Occasionally $150 I’ve seen also. So how can it be 15 years later, prices seem to have stagnated in some areas? That said, I do think it’s something that is being understated. And it’s not even about “everything else is up, so I have to go up”. But moreso: why is there this idea that because everything is up, some expect us to go cheaper to accommodate someone? If a dudes says a rate of $250, but then a client says “that’s too expensive”: to lower it would mean to have a little bit less than what’s needed to keep up with everything else. Then again, I almost wonder if it has nothing to do with things going up: I just think people will say someone is expensive just for the hell of it. Or the equally flattering terms like: “you’re out of my league, too rich for my blood, or “I’m sure you’re worth every penny”. This is why I just wish there was a big billboard in the sky with a list of average escort or erotic masseuse rates. So when they say something is too expensive, they can just look up in the sky and have something to reference. Idk if these people even research it, or even care. Or if they are used to seeing guys who only do this as a side “hustle” for fun thing or what. How Much do Escorts Charge? An Accurate Estimate for 2023 PHILADELPHIAWEEKLY.COM Can you put a price on companionship? Apparently so, and this is exactly the cost. Read all about 'how much do... One thing for sure, the price “shaming” is uncalled for. On the bright side, (because I know some love to throw the “complaining” card out there): Most all the visits I do end up actually meeting, realize the value and often end up including a bit of extra. So it’s not those I’m talking about. I’m moreso referring to a segment of seekers out there, who don’t seem to understand: this isn’t play money on the side for everybody. Calling a provider “expensive” is like telling an artist their work is overpriced. It’s rude.