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I would state what your budget is, without necessarily suggesting that you are telling them what to charge. Example Demo: You: How much? Provider: $400 You: Thanks, You’re definitely worth it. However I’m only able to budget $300 at this time. If that’s not possible I can reach out next month when I have enough saved. Provider: Oh ok, well if you’re willing to host/come to me, meet me between the hours of X and X, or come right now while I’m at this hotel, I can be willing to accommodate the $300 You: Great, thanks. Appreciate you working with me. I’ll be right over OR here’s my address, don’t worry about booking a hotel: 123 sexy street, Beverly Hills, 90210 This way no one feels flaked on, and the provider may still be willing to work with you, if you can make some concessions and accommodations yourself. No need to be ashamed and not buy what you want. However, don’t be slighted if you hear something different like: “i don’t offer any meets for under $XXX” It’s like when people contact me asking for a $100 session. My answer is usually always no, but after the last guy was very rude towards me, I’m not doing anything less than my minimum. Well, I understand it’s not that. Maybe I didn’t describe it enough. I think moreso it’s just that: there’s so many more providers out here popping up in markets that don’t really support the supply. Places like Denver and Nashville, and now even Kansas City, etc used to not have many providers…but more and more are flooding the market. In response it seems the clients come off less appreciative and seem to have a disposable attitude. That’s why my solution to the issue is to just get away from the saturated markets and focus on smaller locations instead. Well, just to clear you up: there’s no aging going on here lol. Though even if it was, it’s moreso supply and demand (as I explained up above) and, like you said…The implication of apps and how they can potentially have an effect on the biz in a broader dynamic. And just curious what’s the true implication of inflation that you’re looking to define?

Regardless: that 1 local guy you sent a deposit to had nothing to do with a deposit, considering you said everyone else you met were traveling providers. It was likely moreso because it was a local guy who probably would have jipped you with or without a deposit.

It sounds like you have only dealt with 5 providers then? If out of those 5, only 1 didn’t turn up. That wouldn’t quite speak for the throngs of other providers out there that are advertising, correct? Therefore it’s not quite possible to equate your experience as a hypothesis in the big scheme of things. You just happened to contact 5 guys, and 1 who asked a deposit didn’t show. And since he was local, you could provide the local area City that is. That would determine whether it’s a high chance of that happening. Just like I said: for every one (1) no show you can name, I could name 10. As for part 2, technically a missed (or flaked) client opportunity IS monetary loss. If I’m expecting to earn something based on a client contacting about a booking, and that client flakes/ghosts/suddenly doesn’t reply back: that’s $200-$400 that I thought I might be getting, that I wouldn’t. And that has a direct effect on my earning for that week. So my solution now: I don’t want to know, if it’s not happening. Show me the money and send a deposit, or pay something and we can do a consultation 1 on 1 privately, undivided attention. Boom. Issue resolved. Not assuming you’re directing that at me but: I just made nearly $500 over the weekend, and non of it was from meeting clients directly. It’s nothing to do with contempt or animosity. It’s moreso about setting boundaries, being innovative, being willing to think outside the box and do what’s best for the greater good of one’s biz and well being…not be persuaded or intimidated by antidotes suggesting since others don’t do something: I should do the same...at my peril. I’ve agreed to see clients too many times without a deposit, and got stood up too many times. Those days are over. I’m looking forward and towards the future 🚀

Eh, meh…that’s a tough one. But I get it. Sometimes I appreciate another escort reaching out to me, long as it’s not overtly sexual. One guy in St. Louis we’ve hung out. And in my earlier days I would occasionally reach out to others for references or verification on if a city was good to travel to (haphazard I know but, this way long time ago). There’s one advertiser, cute guy but who’s wanted to hookup with me in like 3-4 different cities, but it’s like: “come over and let’s fuck”. However, unless it’s someone from the forum…lately I don’t really mix with other advertisers as much. I can’t help but cringe when I’m hanging with someone and they’re like, “I have a client/with a client”. In my head I just be like: You can be around me all day long and not know I’m texting or making plans to meet a client.

Thanks, I mean at the end of the day we are farmers 👨🏿‍🌾 selling bananas 🍌, eggplants🍆 and apples 🍎 lol. And I agree, it does take an ability to sell your package and deliver. Which I’m great at in person and once I know the client is genuine. heck just last weekend I was able to get the co-owner of a gay bar to invite me back to his place (well he invited me and was already interested, but I just facilitated it), and now he’s going to be booking me for an overnight next time I’m in town. However, the issue is the initial riff raff of inquiries. Like I said, I’ve been in sales before and I know the need to be a “good sport” and not take things personal and be driven by emotions. But when an escort lives in area where people regularly disrespect sex workers, or conservative, unsafe, etc: A dude has to do, what a dude has to do. And in my case: I feel I can be a much better sales person if I only deal with CLIENTS, not “timewasters” and guys who think texting at 7 a.m. or telling you what hotel they’re in and if you’re available tonight, is just an inquiry that can be flaked on:

I understand that but, I don’t think our industry can be compared to that of the definition of “sales”. Many (not most, don’t quote me and I know there’s all levels and diversities of sales) sales jobs tend to be going after people who have no idea they want a product. The last “regular job” I had was in sales, and I left that for this. It was not at all similar. Clients contacted me, they wanted the product, I didn’t have to twist anyone’s arm, or sale some boring product/package (pun intended) I didn’t like, with a script and a bunch of quirky lines. Sales people also tend to have hours where they are dealing with that, and hours that they shut off. We never shut off. Clients will text/call us at all hours, in cases where we aren’t even in the position to converse with them at that moment. Then out of kindness, I’ll respond back, only to be met with dismissive, indecisive, unreliable behavior. Why. Why should I keep doing that for free? I wish I could think of something to compare our industry to, but I can’t at the moment. Uber/Lyft is probably the only modern day thing that has a direct comparison. But their business model is way different. The drivers don’t handle clients, the app handles everything for them. We don’t have that luxury. We place a ad, and have to basically run the entire ship 🛳️ from start to finish. Meanwhile RentMen just sits back and chill, while collecting our payments (no diss at them, but just stating the facts because they are simply an advertising platform). It’s not that I’m frustrated at the business (I know hard to believe) it’s just I want a different way of doing things. Yes there’s some frustration I’m always having to respond to “inquiries” at unpredictable times, only to deal with bullshit like above, and not even get paid for it. Yes, that is frustrating, who wouldn’t? Tell me someone who wouldn’t be frustrated after they waited 30 minutes at a gas station in their car, for a client to confirm: only for that client to then cancel and…AND say they are going to call someone else? You wouldn’t be frustrated? At 10:30 at night? And you live an hour away? This is why I decided it’s time to move to getting something for each “inquiry”. I’m asking $20 now, if I client wants to reach me. That’s not much to ask. That way I can get/share details and figure out if it’s something that can happen. But I can’t keep doing that all day everyday, just to hear one excuse after the next after I volunteered my time. If they can’t do that, they probably just using my line for free entertainment or a bit of attention.

That’s why I don’t even like to tell people how long I’m in a city at all, and just say I’m playing by ear. Of course that’s dependent on driving versus flying in (which I rarely ever do for that reason). I know I tried to let you know I was only 4 hours from Buffalo couple months ago, but I know that’s too much notice for some people 😂

Just be careful because: I’ve found on two occasions clients have blocked me (one did it because he was being a flake and I told him off, and the other was a regular client who was likely married and would do the block/unblock thing). Well guy A had pulled a fast one by emailing me on RentMasseur. We met and everything after he sent a deposit. I had no idea it was the same guy I told off previously. Well a few months later he hits me up again on a hookup app (I’m sure we know where that’s going). No response all day, and I’m only in town for 1 night. He then texts me in the evening just as I’m about to start driving to the next city because I waited around for him all afternoon and didn’t hear nothing back until then. I text him back, but messages are in green (instead of blue which means delivered on iPhone). Partly why I stopped using Google voice for my ad phone and switched to iPhone. So I’m like, he must have forgotten to unblock me 🤔 Needless to say, his game is over with after what I told him last time 😂 Which kinda sucks because the time we did meet, was a great time. But it was more than a time or 2 that he’s left me hanging or switched up last minute. Better to just be transparent with people, because he might ask “did you get that message I sent about my Black Friday sale??” And if you say no, he’ll know you blocked him and might feel slighted.

Jokes aside, I don’t feel we as providers need to run our ship 🚢 based on what people feel escorts SHOULD do, nor operate the same way, year after year. If someone wants to receive a nominal “honorarium” (pardon Vin for stealing your word lol) to arrange a session, by all means that’s their personal business. As long as they aren’t scamming or ripping anyone off, there should be no judgement. Theres no rule in the escort Bible saying: “you must answer to all texts and phone calls before receiving payment, even if you have no idea they aren’t just wasting your time and playing the same game with 5 other escorts”. If someone can show me that, then I’ll reconsider it. I feel I’ve done everything I needed to do. Sitting around and answering additional texts for free round the clock, is not one of them. And let’s face it, we’re not selling cars or homes and getting $10,000 commission checks. Like I said before, the pay isn’t enough to take on every client inquiry, unless every text inquiry that ever reached my phone, were certain to actually book. Which like you said; never gonna happen 🤷🏾‍♂️

I appreciate it and know you mean well. But there’s not necessarily much else to tell me lol. I made my decision, and of course with your help I can feel better that I don’t have to be FOMO about having my phone number available on RM. I just feel at the end of the day, things are how they are for a reason. I find it ironic that on my own site, people get quicker to the point than those who send messages on RentMen. I come right from the start with what I offer, and what’s needed. I feel RentMen and some of these other sites, don’t do enough along each step to acknowledge that we’re not available for free. It shouldn’t be “do a bunch of work and then I’ll pay you after”. It should be, “I’m booking an Uber, where’s my credit card?” Nobody calls Pizza Hut and keep the person on the phone for 60 minutes, asking how big is the pizza, what’s it include, and then say “I’m not ready to eat yet”. That would be asinine. It’s no reason I should have to be asking friends for money (like I’ve had to do like 3-4 times last month) and then be sitting around answering texts day after day. Those people should be booking and paying the money they pretended they wanted to give me, in the first place. If they aren’t ready to plan a visit or send a deposit when they contact me, there’s no reason I should have to do that for free, with no proof of it actually happening. All that does is leave the door open for them to be a flake, play some bullshit games and then act like they are so innocent…only to do it again and again down the line. Even though the client/escort pool is expansive, I find it’s often the same ones who come back around, playing the same game they played 2 years ago. The industry is actually smaller than it seems.

Too late, I’ve already updated my website and gone ahead and gone back to requiring $20 to book a consultation for inquiries. I did it earlier this year and it went okay, but going into the holidays where the psycho bullshitters really come out, I’m not hesitating for another day. This is my thing: the information is already posted. My rates are already on my website, what they need to know is also there, pics/dick size etc etc. it’s nothing more information they need other than, “Should I send the deposit on cash app, Venmo or your website” and “this is what I want to get into”. Anything else is just dragging stuff out. And the reason WHY in this particular case I was not having it is because, the area of town this guy was in: I was just in that area shopping and had killed several minutes waiting for another client to confirm. Other client confirms and sends deposit but then immediately has to cancel. But where I stay is a good trek from that area. I’m basically telling him: if you want to meet tonight, I need to know soon. Because once I leave that area of town and head home, I won’t be able to get back up there the same night because it’s too far. Thats like you being in Los Angeles, and having some client tell you he’s interested when you’re about to be headed to Palm Springs. But then takes forever to confirm. And like clockwork, you get back to Palm Springs and he’s like, “R u still available in LA 🤦🏾‍♂️ On top of that, there’s more to the story. Like I said before, he’s contacted and met me once previously last year. So no need for him to be acting dumb like he needs more information. And this is a message I already told him all the info he needs: Now…he never texted or responded back after that message when I said I’d be available in St. Louis. Now he wants to text me 10 months later and book a visit like I wouldn’t remember: And the only reason he even got the chance to get a reply from me, is because I seen our previous texts. It wasn’t until after he started BSing that I referenced his number and showed he’s ripped off scheduling other providers as well. So it’s not just about paying to be asking for information. I don’t have the capacity to be dealing with nonsense people, nor do I think it’s right that I’m sitting around answering all these texts and not even getting paid minimum wage for it. RentMen isn’t our employer. I have bills getting backed up, because I have a whole phone feed full of messages from piece of shit guys like him, who never manage to book an appointment. I don’t have time for that anymore. THAT is why I am starting to require paying to get info. And I’m glad you’re able to still meet good clients out there with your strategy, but not every place is the same and not every person is treated the same. People just have to recognize inequality in the sex work industry and ACKNOWLEDGE it, period. It doesn’t have to go into politics or race, but just recognize there’s inequality in the business. Some clients may treat other providers differently, than perhaps someone like yourself. You may attract a better clientele by not showing your number, than someone who’s client base is looking for quick big dicks, without any hurdles (aka, texting and not paying a deposit, and getting to flake whenever they feel like it).

I’m just over the mixed messages. They try to sugar coat it by saying they only made an inquiry and didn’t book a time. When in reality they asked for an appointment, but didn’t hold up their end of it. Simple as that. It doesn’t take making a time/place, etc (which as you can see, was done with other providers and still fell thru). I can understand an inquiry just looking at pics and asking a question. But a late night text asking if I can come to his hotel is a solicitation for something taking place. If they don’t think much of it, they’re a piece of shit. It’s like, if that person didn’t want the booking: why even go out your way to contact and invite me? That is just so tacky. It’s delusional to “line me up” by making an inquiry and then claim to have no intent to follow thru on it.

Dude claiming to have contacted me today for just an inquiry 🤦🏾‍♂️ Then later he’s talking about: Meanwhile, I’m being made out to seem like I’m crazy despite what others saying 🤦🏾‍♂️ I’m just at a point, I’m tired of this shit. I don’t have time for childish, insincere, indecisive, inconsiderate, uncooperative, unreliable…list goes on. To make it so bad, this person actually booked me ONCE before. So it’s like, he should already know the drill. Why not just ask me out like a NORMAL FUCKING PERSON and book a session, or say: hey Jarrod I am coming to xxx and want to book for xxx date. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus 🤦🏾‍♂️ take the wheel. I am going back to charging $10-$20 to be contacted for “inquiries” again, effective tonight. I’ve wasted my time 3 times already in the last 24 hours dealing with nonsense like this. Some of these clients out here think we are a free conversation piece and expect us to sit around and wait for them to make decisions with no sort of commitment. As if I have nothing better to do with my life, than to wait on them to “possibly” get back to me. This is another reason I can’t wait to get out of my current market (full of flaky, indecisive dudes who love to harass escorts as free entertainment and MIGHT book IF and only IF they get to waste your time a few times over a course of a couple years, and have the patience of a saint to not go off or block them 🤦🏾‍♂️ , but I find this is a big American issue almost everywhere. I’m also writing a letter to rentmen and RentMasseur asking if they can start charging clients to contact/get our number. So when it happens, you can thank me later 🎤 ✌A deposit isn’t enough. These people need to go thru 3rd party or pay before reaching us. The ease of them to bullshit and play games is way out of control.

I just need to say as well: this type of advice needs to be addressed and moderated (hint hint). It’s one thing to have an opinion or preference, it’s entirely different when making generalizations that’s not true. Especially when you throw in guarantee in the mix. You’ve gone beyond a preference and basically just make an incorrect (borderline slanderous) suggestion about providers who charge deposits. Even though this is a forum where opinions are welcome and exchanged, I don’t think that’s a pass to start throwing out potentially damaging assessments based on…bad apples. As I’ve said before: there’s plenty stories I can tell of clients getting ripped off without a deposit. Even with cash. I’ve seen it right before my eyes. There’s also plenty stories I can tell of clients who send deposits and flake themselves. By denigrating everyone who charges deposits, you’re basically perpetuating the discrimination and prejudice towards sex workers, by making us out like to be frauds and scammers. And that does nothing to fuel decrim that would help bring about a more honest and safe exchange: which would like you said, help facilitate a society where one CAN be free to contact police if a client or provider ever ends up in a potentially harmful situation.

Oh you mean like: But at the end of the day, I don’t have time for all that. People like this detract from the overall purpose of being in the business. Like I said earlier, I don’t mind sending them away if they always have an excuse. Even though I didn’t go out of my way or lift a finger, as I didn’t without a deposit: If I did make arrangements, that would have been setting my whole afternoon, booking a room only for him to never get back to me. And that’s why I don’t do it. I understand where you’re coming from but, at the end of the day: people don’t necessarily treat us with the customer service values you harp on. Also, unlike other industries: we’re not obligated to act in perfect smiling, no confrontation, take the abuse. They do that for the greater image of the company and to make the brand, name and superiors look good. RentM isn’t an employer so therefore, we set our own rules and boundaries. I’ve also said before: some areas deposits are more required than others. In cities where people tend to be habitual flakers/stand ups/or risky inquiries (Kansas City/St. Louis, Dallas/Houston, Tampa, Indianapolis, Phoenix to name a few), I wouldn’t dare work without a deposit. Matter fact, I did work in all those cities without deposits, and experienced lot of nonsense and wasting of money believing clients would show up or other clients would book if another flaked. And that’s why I don’t do it. But it’s a select few others that I could trust clients to come thru either by genuine sincerity or lack of other options in abundance. Even then, I try to still mention it. Trying to go back to doing business without doing any deposits, is not something I’m willing to go back to. Right, and I often say: for every 1 time a client has been ripped off, multiply that by 10 for the escorts..

For once, I actually concur with you But on a serious and less “harsh” note than you stated: I think there’s other reasons for it as well. I can give an example; couple years or so ago: I had a first time client want to come to a place I was hosting…but it was a shared 3 family home (common in the Midwest and places like Denver, where there is one big home with 1 entrance, but 3 or 4 separate residences…which I will never ever live in again unless it’s an actually townhome style like I’ve seen in St. Louis and DC). Well, as he was walking up…the neighbor girl and her boyfriend and another woman were downstairs out on the porch with a dog. The client had to make a long trek from the street to the front door of the house. Meanwhile, these people are outside wondering who this large, older White dude in a suit was walking towards the door. It’s not that I am judging the client’s look or feel some type of way about him…but things like that are why it can be helpful to know what someone looks like. And let’s face the facts: there’s many clients who don’t host (or will have me pull into their garage, so nobody will see, which I HIGHLY suggest against for safety and other reasons) because they don’t want their neighbors to see who’s coming. We should be able to reserve that right too. If I had known what he looked like, I would have told him to wait until the coast is clear, or simply scheduled him at a later time. But like I said, it was the wrong type of place to host anyway. And it’s not just that. As you’ll be able to see from this iPhone conversation: My reason for asking deposit is because, I’m not about to be waiting around on indecisive people all day to figure out what they can do. This is the EXACT reason why I continue to do so. This guy sent a deposit before, but then didn’t want to send another because he wasn’t sure. But yet I’m supposed to wait around for 5-6 hours expecting an appointment, only for him to NCNS? and then today: Deal with this shit a few times, and from people like this over and over and over again: eventually you learn to start asking for deposits and don’t waste time making any concessions for the ones who find an excuses not to.

I suppose…I guess it’s all in the delivery. I think when the client heard deposit and picture, it may have come off wrong way. I usually don’t require both. But many don’t have an issue volunteering. And of course, sending/receiving a pic is by no means an automatic pass of screening. People send pics that aren’t even them, and make up whole lies. So it’s really not something to bank on solely.

But there was no implication that the provider only wanted to see hot clients. He just asked for a photo. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Every time a person in the United States buys liquor, cigarettes, gets entry into a club or bar: they have to show an ID. That’s regardless of whether they are an adult or “can pay with cash” (The non deposit client’s favorite line). Our biz should be no different. Some providers aren’t into straight up blind “dates”. Especially in this age of hookup apps that many clients are already on…there’s no excuse to not include a pic if asked. Even the most straightest of married clients have no problem with this. Again, it’s all about different providers having different ways of working. It’s not 1996 anymore (I was too young but…I know it was around 😂 where you could just show up with just a voice and cash. Those days are gone. Nobody wants to just “find out when they show up”. At least not me. People have gotten stabbed, murdered, beaten, shot, robbed…Nobody should feel compelled to lower their standards in order to take that risk. I don’t judge a client’s looks but: if I have the option to not know who’s coming versus know who I’m meeting: I’m choosing the latter. But it’s not a requirement necessarily, more of a suggestion that shouldn’t be considered a red flag 🚩 it should be a red flag if THEY have an issue, and they KNOW the provider is legit. That’s the truth of the matter.

I agree with you both, thanks for acknowledging the facts. I’ll try to keep in mind to allow minimal distraction from those who are not intent on being a drama/flake free client.

Yeah, Charlotte doesn’t even sound like a place to do *ex work. Sounds like a place to go to church, eat some soul food and sell Girl Scout cookies 😆 But the reality is, it can be a sketchy area and there’s still a lot of residual “servitude” mentality out there. My last time thru NC was in 2019. I booked one cool client in Raleigh (he sent deposit), the rest were flakes. I skipped Charlotte. Think last time I stopped there was 2017/18. I don’t think it’s a mafia, I just think it’s like I said: something they are watching on the news, hearing in church, conversing with their friends. You can include Kansas City in that bracket as well. So much so that, I’m literally ready to leave everything behind and go. Every time I come back here from travel, I find myself in a tight financial situation…and I live here 🤦🏾‍♂️ Just last weekend I was at the mall, feeling like a million dollars after having 3 good clients. Went to a fancy watch shop, went to GNC, treated my friends to dinner. And now I feel like a peasant again because I come home and not a single client has booked 😞 No matter how many clients I reach out to, few can give a solid YES to booking without some extenuating drama in this town. It’s borderline anxiety inducing. For example today: And here it is now, 9:30 at night…and no word back 🤦🏾‍♂️ It’s like, it never fails. The good thing is, there’s still cities…medium markets that are okay. I won’t name them, but many providers don’t travel there and have no idea they exist. They usually are a couple hours drive away from the main cities that every escort and their mother, flocks to. Places like Charlotte, Kansas City, Tampa, Denver, San Diego, Portland, areas of Texas…they all have too many sex workers working, yet the people can be so uptight and STINGY (yes, I said it and not taking it back lol) that…it’s almost not worth really making trips unless you have lots of time to burn and/or low overheads. And I can even deal with the timewasters in smaller markets more because, they usually are the “you’re so hot I can’t believe you’re here” crowd. I get their curiosity but it’s generally better than the ones who seem to act as if they can call any escort, and I’m just a number.

Meh, I disagree to an extend. No proof of a red flag 🚩 If that were true, clients on RentMasseur and RentM who show their photos should also be red flags. Obviously they’re doing it for a reason, they want the provider to know what they look like. What’s wrong with that? Granted, I don’t necessarily always ask or need a photo. But if I ask what their physical description is and they send one, it shouldn’t be a bad thing. Only caveat is: some may include pics of their “frontal areas” but it can end up being bigger than what the picture represents. Not a bottom but, always good to be prepared just in case I feel like being vers 😆

Seeing this post on a different airwave in another space 🪐: I feel similar about some other cities. It’s like, the phone will be going off and people reaching out: but they never manage to book. They just TAG YOU’RE IT and then run away. Or it’s a “catch me now when I’m horny and you’re least prepared, if not: I’ll contact you next time” which often means: 2 years from now. Regardless if I charge a deposit or not (which was the whole reason of doing so in the first place). And it’s not just 1 or 2, but in DROVES. Meanwhile, I can go to a different city just 3-4 hours away and be okay. Just experienced that last week. I went the whole of October with nothing but flakes and no goes, then I finally decided to take a short trip and booked 3 within a couple days before the month was out. It makes me wonder, is it stuff on the news 🗞️ , or something they’re hearing in church making them behave that way? Sometimes I like to watch the news in cities, and the ones with the most odd crimes (especially when often showing ethnic people) tend to be the cities with the hardest clients to book. I notice this often in cities that lack diversity or have populations equal in number to Black/White. It’s like, they say things have changed but, seems like sex work is the last place to receive it. And as it should, considered we’re still not officially decrim, despite segregation, being gay, and gay marriage have passed those milestones. It’s just bizarre. Sometimes I feel like saying to them: you don’t HAVE to look for sex workers if it’s not something you want to do. I appreciate it but, it’s neither a need for you or a need from me. It should be a mutually agreeable thing. And an understanding that a price/deposit isn’t an expression of worth or a direct attack on theirs. And that’s what I refer to when I say: imagine one of those commenters ended up having to move to one of those bad cities either mistakenly or against their will/choice? It’s easy to see how that could equate to probable financial ruin

I still stand by my decision to require deposits, despite what may have been shared here. I also have a hard time believing someone who says they’ve never been asked for a deposit. I’m sorry, no offense, but unless someone is only contacting a certain type of provider…I just can’t see it. You can’t tell me you’ve asked a provider to come see you from an hour or 2, maybe even: visiting from halfway around the country away: and not been asked a deposit. I don’t believe it. If so: just say you’ve never asked to see a provider further than a few blocks away or, one who wasn’t ALREADY in attendance or visiting wherever you may have also been in attendance. I know this topic been discussed to death, but I never get tired of talking about it though. I’m still willing to defend deposits as much as needed, even if I don’t need to. I’m also willing to accept exceptions: considering last week I did take 2 bookings without a deposit, however one was an outcall to a clients hotel very close to where I was staying, and the other ran into me in person after having prior seen my ad. I have even heard clients tell me they don’t do deposits, but then later learn they have a cash app or Venmo account. And have even later paid be thru that method. If the business ever moves into official Decrim, and/or if things continue online: I highly believe deposits would become the norm. I’ve already made deposits part of my website, there’s not much stopping other sites like RentM from making that a feature, and simply branding it as “pay for a pornstar”. So, don’t be surprised…if it ever happens. My thing is: for every person who talks about deposits, I rarely ever see a legitimate reason why one can’t. I’ve know people send deposits by all means: cash in mail (in fact a former member of this forum even offered to do so with me, but at the time: things were “different” and I told him I would settle upon arrival), other means are western Union, Moneygram, cash app, Venmo, etc etc. If someone is going to pay for something, what difference does it make whether they pay a portion ahead anyway? And then, some people expect to do the deed and pay afterwards. By the time you do all that, you basically got the person for free, and can pull a gun out on them and tell them to get the fuck out…technically. What’s stopping you from doing that. Morals? Okay…so all clients have morals is what you’re saying, including the ones who no show, or fake appointment requests? Only to not respond and then do the same shit two years later, only to not respond again, do the same shit again the next year, and the next year, and the year after? 🤷🏾‍♂️ People need to get to a better mindset in this industry. So many people equate asking for any money upfront as a scam, or a sign of the provider not having money, etc etc. Time out for that. It’s a bit selfish and condescending to make as if the provider should shoulder all the initial responsibility of getting to/providing a place to host. Someone is going to end up alone or in a worse predicament. Case in point: one of the clients I seen the other day, paid a couple guys. I don’t think they asked for deposits: but his story was, he paid one guy $1,000 for the night and only got 2 hours before the guy got “tired”. He ended up booking with me later on. Overall: The big issue is, clients in 2023 and even particularly in some areas: have become more flakier than ever. Unless a provider works only from home, doesn’t travel or do Outcalls and possibly has another stream of revenue: deposit may not be needed. Or, if you’re in a city or neighborhood where things are relatively within close range…It may also not be required. But not every escort has the same situation. Like for me, I often have to travel to the next city or state, FEW STATES away to see clients. I would be foolish to do that without at least mentioning deposits. If when I arrive I have the luxury to be flexible, I won’t. But I also feel it’s fair to require the same standards from all clients, and even hosting a client without asking a deposit: has caused issues for me; guys who pretend they are showing up around noon, and then I book the room an extra night and they don’t show, or people who show up with no/less money than agreed. Even have had walk outs and no pay after offering services. The provider is always in the position of carrying the heavier burden, than the client. Even if you stand the chance to lose $50-$100: the provider can be losing $150-$300 per session for every flaky client. Just like for me last month, I counted up about $2,000 in fraudulent bookings, from clients who requested appointments but failed to follow thru. I hope each one gets the karma they deserve…

Well I’m not asking for the world to change for “us”. I’m moreso asking for understanding and respect, accountability and reliability from those who initiate contact. It’s not a distant fantasy, it just takes the will to ask and command it. If I were to take your stance, and just be perpetually “unbothered”, then I would have never taken the steps to create a website, start asking for deposits, stop taking phone calls at random out the blue and having my time wasted, list goes on. I’d probably be just like some other advertisers: letting clients flake on them or never reporting the repeat offenders to the proper channels. And those same guys don’t really take the business serious either so: you have both sides just playing games with each other. Not everybody operates that way. You can’t just give 2 options and take it or leave it. Sometimes it takes some standing up from oneself, and part of doing that is letting people know: if you contact me and don’t reply/respond, don’t expect me to continue being willing to offer my services to you. And I don’t have to say that in silence. I don’t have a problem letting them know I’m burning their bridge, if they have proven in previous correspondence to be disingenuous. Because if I don’t, they are liable to come around and do it again, as I’ve posted evidence in photos in this thread: and that “unbothered” attitude that you suggest, opens the door for them to mess me around again. They’re not paying or would be paying until they actually book a session or send a deposit at the very least. Beyond that, they’re nobody until they have actually shown a vested interest. Sex work can be a very intimate industry but also one full of adversaries. A person who who doesn’t respect my time or blows me off isn’t a bother to me. It’s simply an indication that the person is a potential enemy and I need to prevent or stop meeting them. At the end of the day, it’s my soul and my energy I’m lending to these guys. If they can’t show respect to me before even meeting me, or they have met me and continue to show disrespect: they have no business in my space. And I have no problem telling them that. That’s not being perpetually frustrated, that’s communicating boundaries and showing others that they can’t treat sex workers like nobodies just because it doesn’t have the same standards of other businesses.

Wish I could say so but Halloween night/weekend is one of slowest days of year by clockwork. Had 3 bookings Wednesday to Friday but then dead ever since. Crossing fingers 🤞🏾 for November because, this October has to be one of my least profitable I can remember in awhile. Seems like all clients have gone ghost 👻 Boo 😒