Jamie21

I think the industry is already considered legal and taxable? I have a justforfans site. It makes a reasonable return after costs. My other income is as a provider but the justforfans is a good sideline. It’s all legal and taxable here ….being a sex worker and publishing porn is legal here in UK as long as it’s all done properly and consensual with ID checked and releases completed etc. It’s run as my own business and the revenue is taxed income.

They do go down. The oil price goes up and down all the time in response to changes in supply and demand. So do air fares. Clothing too. Gym’s have new cheaper operators come into the market. The only thing that never seems to go down is medical care but that’s because there’s virtually unlimited demand as people live longer and we treat more conditions.

I went to Dubai one time. I’ll never go back, even if they pay me I’m not going back there. I’ve travelled quite a lot and I enjoyed Greece, Canada, Spain, US and Israel. Sweden was ok, and France and Spain but maybe I’m too familiar with France. I think Spain is interesting; it has so many contradictions. I’ll go anywhere except places like Dubai. It was not an accepting culture and made me sad.

If it’s a ‘non standard’ request, as in they want a bespoke session, then yes fine ask for what you want and get the provider to quote you. But I don’t discount or negotiate my rates and all the other providers I know have the same policy. I get clients come back and say “any special rates for students?” or “it’s my birthday…any discount?” or the best one is “I’m really hot so can I get a better price?” the answer is always the same “no, this is the price”. Got to admire the cheek though!

Micro economics: the price is determined by supply and demand. Lots of providers and few clients the prices go down: few providers and lots of clients the prices go up. High prices and opportunity to make good money attracts new providers into the market so the price pressures reduce. I think the pandemic has disrupted the supply and demand equilibrium so that prices are unstable and unclear. It’s difficult to see a market rate. It will settle down again when things return to “normal” (whatever that looks like).

I must start tracking revenue by client! Got to look after your best customers. There’s some regulars (as in every couple of months) and plenty of 3 or 4 times a year. It’s fabulous to see regulars because I’ve learned so much about what they like, and it’s good to catch up with what’s happening in their lives. I think if you’ve been going a while you’ll build up a group of regular clients.

Personality, good manners, hygiene, humour, charm and humanity trump everything else. Clients like that are the absolute sexiest. Sex is fun if the client has those qualities.

There’s a legitimate reason for it where prostitution is illegal. It’s a loophole…. “I’m not selling sex, I’m selling my time”. What happens during that time is not the product and is done voluntarily without cost (hence no menu pricing). Therefore it’s not prostitution. Fortunately where I work it’s legal, so menu pricing is fine. Having said that I find too much menu is a distraction and annoying. The main thing I charge extra for is to bottom because of the preparation. Otherwise it’s all included. Who wants to have an exchange like this during a session? “May I rim you?” “Yes, it’s £20, just slide your credit card between the cheeks of my ass and eat away”. Not ideal (although I do wish my card reader was an ass shape 🙂).

Discussion of escorts and things rising is, I would hope, quite normal. Start getting worried when things don’t go up.

If we’re sharing graphs…here’s my revenue from massage/escort work over the past few years. The impact of lockdowns and such are evident (spring 2020, start of 2021) but it recovers so I’m still around… This graph excludes justforfans subscription revenue which tends to benefit from lockdowns. So the revenue streams are complimentary in terms of smoothing things out. That happened by accident but I like to think I planned it that way 😂.

I’m surprised you had disappointing hires here. The London market still has a lot of providers (despite some leaving due to Brexit and Covid), it’s competitive. Guys need to be good to get regular clients.

Yay! I look forward to meeting them if that’s the case. Welcome to London 🙂

I’m happy to share my perspective of working in the industry. Generally people on here interact with respect and often with great insight. I like to hear what others think and how they work. I also like to understand clients perspectives. It’s great that these things can help me provide a better service or work more effectively. I guess there is a risk that some clients might not like my view or opinion on things but so be it. This is me… and I’d not want them to book a session if they’re expecting a different person. If they like how I come over here then I’d hope they like how I am in person because it’s no different. If they don’t like me here then best not to book!

I saw a couple recently. They came together but watched each other with me. So it was like a sequential session and I charged my normal rate based on two separate sessions. I did wonder if they would definitely just watch or join in but no, they just watched each other with me. An interesting dynamic. As I do massage mainly then it’s virtually impossible for me to massage two guys at once. I’ve done tandems (2 tables, a masseur on each one) and the rate for that is same as single massage (time based). If it’s an escort booking then I’ve never been hired by a couple but the rate would be by normal hourly escort rate plus 50%. That said, I am sometimes hired by couples who want the wife to be massaged etc while the husband watches. The rate for those sessions depends on what they want because it’s usually bespoke. Female clients are much more work than male.

“We stand out for our massage service, one of our most fundamental values. There is nothing better for us than a satisfied massage services and for that reason we strive every day to deliver the best massage services. GuysMasseur is the leading provider of massage service in the USA. We have been many type of massage.” That’s an extract from the About Us section of their website. I’m not encouraged by it to be honest. The English is very bad.

Yep, my website is sensualtouchco.com and on Rentmasseur it’s https://rentmasseur.com/JamieW

Me too, pretty steady 3 or 4 clients a week, then just one over the Christmas period, next one scheduled for 4th. Last year Christmas was busier. I think it’s due to Omicron and people wanting to be covid free at Christmas/New Year for family and thus avoiding unnecessary social contact beforehand. I’m able to catch up on admin, writing and gym etc. It’s good to take a break sometimes too. Note to clients….I’ll be fully recharged and up for it in 2022 😉.

I wouldn’t say I see entitlement in clients. Some are demanding, fair enough, they’re paying so I’m fine with them asking for things, as long as it’s done politely. Occasionally I get a client who won’t or can’t engage with me as a person and I think that’s their problem not mine. They’d get a better session if they looked me in the eye and talked about what they like but they seem unable to do that. It’s usually because of their sexual hang ups and shame about being gay or something like that. Those clients tend to only engage with me as an object for them to relieve sexual frustration. I don’t mind it but it’s their loss. The flakes who book and then just don’t show up without any explanation or apology get blocked for ever. Their number is also shared with other sex workers. So they give me hassle once but that’s all. If someone apologised and had a fair excuse they get one chance. But overall I have to say 95% of my clients are absolute gentlemen (and a few women). I guess I’m lucky I’m not attracting troublesome clients. I’m also very accommodating so that might be part of the story.

I’ve a client I visit on out calls. First time I visited he asks me to set the massage table up in the bedroom (large master bedroom with en suite). Plenty of space for the table. There’s a king size bed with pristine white bedding. Over the bedding he’s placed towels. Beside the bed there’s some lube. So I know how this massage will develop. I set it all up, shower in the en suite, then we start on the table. After 20 minutes of massage he turns over and says he wants to move to the bed. Earlier than I expected but it’s fine. He’s booked 90 minutes, on an outcall I usually go over time because it’s good to be unhurried. The rest of the session is sex, no more massage. It’s energetic and the towels end up moving, the duvet gets covered in massage oil, lube, other stuff (I’m hung, it goes deep, shit happens so to speak), cum etc. When we’re finished his pristine white duvet is totally messed up and I say to him “oh sorry your duvet is a bit messy, use something on it before washing it to get the oil out”. He says not to worry. Next time I visit it’s the same set up. Except this time the massage lasts 10 minutes before we move to the bed, which now has what looks like a black sheet on it. I ask what happened to the white duvet? He says it went in the bin and this new cover is one of those special ‘play’ covers that it doesn’t matter what happens to it, so I shouldn’t worry about anything spilling. Funny thing is I’ve visited a few times now and he still wants me to bring the table, even though it gets used for 10 minutes. Something about starting with the intention of having a full massage but not being able to wait to get fucked I guess.

I think that’s very true. I’m aware of other providers who have struggled with this. It does take a lot of mental strength to do the work. I think the social stigma that’s unfortunately still associated with the work doesn’t help. It means you can’t openly discuss the work with others.

Whoever books first gets it. Simple. Sometimes clients ask my availability and I let them know my days / times but if they don’t book immediately they risk someone booking and I’d no longer be available. I’ve a few clients who regularly message asking about availability….but they never quite manage to book. Very strange. I stopped trying to understand these things ages ago.

There is a West End, and an East End but not a South end!! Unless you’re talking about Southend On Sea which is on the coast and not in London at all (unless you’re flying to the airport there which is confusingly called London Southend…hmmm). Londoners refer to the south part as South Of The River and of course the further south you go from the south bank of the river the more awful it gets 🙂 . If you can see the river it’s ok…but North Londoners won’t go beyond sight of the Thames. It’s scary and full of danger down there. Even the Tube doesn’t risk going far into that territory. Best stick to the West End for fun, the City for work and the East End for a curry. That’s London advice for you.

I never used to bother with the flu vaccine but I did get it last year because of the pandemic…why risk it when the hospital might be full? So I got vaccinated and had the Covid vaccinations too. It’s inevitable I’ll catch Covid eventually I guess but I don’t want to end up taking up a hospital bed. Those medical people could do without me in their way, I’d be irritable in hospital. However since I started massage/sex work I noticed I don’t get so many colds and coughs etc. it’s extremely rare to be sick. My health has been great. I think the regular close exposure to lots of different people boosts my immune system. Or is it a side effect of Prep? Or from just being less stressed because I’m not working full time in an office job where I have to metaphorically kiss ass all day rather than literally kissing ass for pleasure as I do now 🙂 . Who knows? All I do know is that sex work is good for my mental and physical health.

It’s quiet. I’m triple vaccinated and carrying on seeing clients. I am careful about social interactions but not otherwise stopping everything because it’s impossible to live like that for any length of time. So I’m still available and happy to see clients but I think people have been generally avoiding contact in the run up to Christmas. I hope in the New Year things get busier. Lots of clients have said they plan to visit if possible. Let’s hope that travel is possible.

I did not say that I didn’t believe you were sincere. I suggested alternative possibilities. You’d better name him if you want people to be aware of the risks.