Jamie21

I’ve had a baseball bat up me on camera in the past ha ha. It wasn’t on Flirt4Free though…what’s the point of doing it free?

Sometimes it feels like 3 decades

I should learn not to bother engaging in these chats!

Yes it’s a different perspective here. I do screen clients but not to the extent you do. Probably a big reason it’s different here is that sex work is legal. If I get a client who refuses to pay or is abusive I can call the police. You can’t. That’s a big difference.

Yes that’s what I’m saying. If I really didn’t enjoy seeing the clients though, I wouldn’t carry on doing the work. I don’t do it because I have to, I do it because I want to, and because the client is paying then my focus is on their enjoyment.

Maybe….but they’re paying so it’s kind of their experience that matters more than yours? That’s my view anyway. If they pay my rate and are respectful that’s enough for me, I’m not expecting great sex, insightful chat or clients who unquestionably accept my agenda. If that happens it’s great but it’s not why I do it. If they want a buffet massage they’ll get a buffet massage. If they want me to fuck them 28 minutes into the massage and then cum on their left ass cheek then ok I’ll do my best …but I’ll suggest it’s better to go with the flow however if they insist then that’s cool. It’s kind of easy to get blasé about sex if it’s your work but I can understand that for me the encounter might be like a normal day but for my client it might be the highlight of their year. I think if they are turned on by the session and happy then so am I. Indeed it’s a turn on to see a client enjoying themselves, a kind of positive feedback loop. That’s why I do it.

This is my view too. Tends to be that someone who is an arse behaves like an arse regardless of the medium they use to contact me… and there’s loads of ways clients use to contact me: text, phone call (from withheld numbers sometimes), WhatsApp, Telegram (the App not the message service stop), Twitter DM, email, message on Rentmasseur, occasionally on hookup apps (though I don’t advertise there?), and even occasionally by message on this website (and of course those people are delightful, which is in keeping with the vibe on here I think). I was even approached to book a session in the street one time (by a regular who happened to see me…I wasn’t walking around with an advert on my back). Everyone is different, the trouble comes when you try to put people into boxes to assume their motives. I try not to do that but it isn’t easy.

I have a demo video on my website. If clients want to see me before booking a session then they can get the password to it from me. If they’re not interested in booking to see me in person they can watch my films on justforfans which of course requires a subscription. I’m not interested in doing live cam sessions, it’s too much hassle.

Perfectly put….. poo appears post poking perhaps pertaining to prominent penises.

It happens quite often. I’m hung, which seems to cause messiness sometimes. It’s cool, just stop, clean off and then carry on. I won’t rim after an accident down there though. When I film porn with guys who bottom regularly sometimes there’s an accident just the same as when I see clients who might be inexperienced bottoms so there’s no need to be embarrassed about it. I remember I saw a client one time at his hotel. We’d massaged etc and he wanted to fuck me (all this had been agreed previously so I was ready). I don’t usually bottom but if it’s arranged beforehand and agreed as part of the massage it’s all good. At this point in the story I’ll warn you to not be eating as you read my post, whether that’s eating food or ass….Oh and I’ll add at this point too that I was wearing a new pair or white adidas socks which I was really attached to. The socks are important. Anyway… the client (I’d seen him before) wanted to try various positions in this session on the bed which was all fine. I think he wanted to re-enact scenes he’d seen in porn. I’m flexible and did my bit getting into some quite impractical positions but hey, it’s a job…. Then he wanted to do me doggy as I leant over the end of the bed. As I’m bent over looking at the headboard he’s pumping away behind me when all of a sudden I feel a bit different and uncomfortable. He senses this and stops thrusting, then he pulls out quickly (not a good idea). Instantly there’s a cascade of dirty water from my ass all over the carpet, and my socks which bore the brunt of it. The client has jumped back and is now panicking about the mess. I’m standing in a brown mess, my socks ruined, the carpet, previously a nice cream colour is now muddy brown, and I sense that the session is probably now over….and so are my socks. I tell my client to go and get some towels from the bathroom and as he’s in there I’m peeling off my socks and have grabbed a towel off the massage table to wipe my bum. Anyway, we clean up as best we can and fortunately most of the stain comes out of the carpet. The client is staying in that room overnight so he’s anxious it’s all cleaned up ok. Fortunately after we’ve tidied up he can now see the funny side and we spend a while chatting on the bed, both naked but somehow the horn has gone. I didn’t like to check with him whether he’d cum or not but he seemed satisfied and paid etc. I dumped my socks and the brown stained towels in the bin as I left the hotel. I think the douche (which was done at least 4 hours earlier, and which had been clear) had probably resulted in some water getting trapped in my passage and it was disturbed by the regular changes of position. I’d used a shower attachment to douche and had probably used too high pressure (you learn…). It’s usually best if you’re anxious about making a mess to avoid too many different positions and avoid keep pulling out. Once it’s in, keep it in, if possible, and if there’s a risk of mess don’t wear new socks.

I sometimes have a monkey massage my clients (only when they are laying prone and can’t see what I’m doing). My monkey does their back etc while I catch up with the paperwork and put some washing on. He’s very good, no one notices the difference. I’ve trained him not to bite my clients’ nuts (although some clients were quite partial to that 😳). Unfortunately now I’ll have to lay him off. If anyone has work for a massage trained monkey please let me know. Seriously though… this condition is just another thing to be mindful of when giving or receiving massage. If you’ve any skin conditions or any contra indications for massage then don’t have a massage, or give one! Get yourself checked regularly at the clinic, be body aware about what to look for, use good masseurs who follow proper hygiene protocols. Avoid those who subcontract their work to monkeys…🙊

I think it’s a common assumption that the costs are low. Clients think it’s just costing my time to provide a service, especially if it’s an outcall and they’re effectively providing the venue. However it’s a lot more than just my time and a bit of massage oil. There’s cost of advertising, and for me there’s costs associated with renting a nice studio to work from, the cost of being available almost all hours (when often you can’t do other things in case someone wants to book), cost of trying to keep fit (trying!!!), regular waxing sessions, and keep healthy (regular testing) plus the cost if you catch something you can’t work for a week at least. I get regular massage training which also costs. Then there’s tax to deduct from the gross income on top of all those expenses (only some of which are tax deductible). So it’s a misconception that if you pay the guy $300 then he’s got almost $300 to spend. I’d say at least half that goes on overheads. I think the recession will be a dampener on rates but I don’t think you’ll see them reducing much (for guys providing a professional style service). I think the supply of guys will reduce as people leave the industry so that will act to stabilise rates.

BigDomDixXXL is obviously a bottom who doesn’t remove his jock, and RippedMSCLGod last visited the gym in 1973. You just need to read between the lines.

I agree that in Europe there’s a stronger social underpin and more liberal attitudes. Here in UK I don’t pay for healthcare, my sexual health screening and any treatment is free, prep is free, travel without a car is easy although the costs of accommodation in London is extremely high. There’s still some stigma about doing sex work unfortunately but it is reducing as attitudes become more open minded. Plus it’s legal (within boundaries) so I can advertise openly which makes it easier to get clients.

Yes, over 29 is the beginning of the end in the gay world! In my head I’m always 29. Physically I’m 10 years younger than my age (I’ve looked after myself I guess) but in the gay world I’m definitely ancient! Luckily I’ve never wanted to fit in to any group or comply with any social conventions like that so I’ve ignored those social group conventions about what you’re supposed to do at what age. I think Groucho Marx that said he didn’t want to belong to any club that would accept him as a member. I feel similarly so I disregard age, looks, background etc as being restrictions about what’s possible. That opens up opportunities. So despite being ‘too old’ to do sex work I find that I get plenty of clients because fortunately not everyone wants a sensual massage done by a hot young thing with one eye on his abs in the mirror, and one hand on his phone scrolling TikTok while he perfunctorily goes through the massage motions. Interestingly I find that female clients are more open to older masseurs. Maybe it’s a trust thing or that female arousal is more about emotional connection and less visual than male arousal. I do think that gay male clients will make decisions to hire on things like pictures (and cock size especially) whereas female clients will decide to hire based on things like their perception of your professional approach, references and respectability (and only then will they consider cock size!!). In those respects age acts as an advantage. I’ve a sex worker friend who still does sensual massage in his mid sixties. He’s busy, his clients value his experience. I’m not sure I’ll have the energy or inclination to still work at that age but I’m not ruling it out. Let’s not let age define what we can and cannot do. If you can physically do something at age 90 then go ahead and do it.

Yep, probably. There’s a lot of competition here. Lots of guys just playing at it, offering poor service.

Wait! You mean if what I do was illegal I could charge more?

Sorry but I can’t help thinking how wonderfully intriguing the title of this topic is….“Finish sex” sounds like it’s a computer game 🙂. Yep, I finished Super Mario Bros.

Unfortunately there’s rather too many dilettante providers working in the industry. They pop up, play at it, mess people around and then find that it’s all rather too difficult and they then disappear. It’s no wonder some clients are wary. I hope clients can tell the difference between the amateurs and the professionals. You can trust guys who are doing things properly- those with a track record, website, recommendations, professional pics on their adverts etc. It’s safe to give them your number.

Maybe they’re a public figure who wants to be very discreet. Maybe they’re just paranoid about the sex worker contacting them on the number. Or maybe they have had a bad experience from sharing their number previously and want to avoid it. It is irritating but there could be legitimate reasons without them being a flake or some weirdo. I get clients booking by email or even Twitter DM. Most of the email bookings come via the contact form on my website so actually I’m inviting them to do it like that. In reply I suggest to them it’s easier to communicate by text / WhatsApp or call if they have questions etc but some just prefer the extra distance an email provides and they keep it all to email. Indeed there is a public figure who books me via email and he won’t share his number despite him visiting regularly. I think the signs about whether they’re a flake or not are evident regardless of the form of the contact though. Most of the flakes do actually contact with their number (because usually they like the thrill of the ‘sex chat’ and sending pics etc) and that’s fine because I can just add their number to the time wasters list.

I hadn’t considered that either. My point was that if I did sex work just for a way to earn money then I might be tempted to take clients who were into pnp style sessions. I’ve a friend in the business who started taking drugs, because some of his clients were too, and then he became reliant on them and I saw his health and personality deteriorate. Fortunately he’s clear of it now but he had to stop doing escorting because otherwise it led him back down that route.

Agree with @BenjaminNicholas, it’s a job I choose. If I was having to do it then I might feel compelled to go with clients who ‘party’. But because I choose to do the work, because I enjoy it, then I can choose not to do things I’m uncomfortable with.

Absolutely! My sessions are massage. Massage is like a seduction. If they’re not up for it to develop then they can still enjoy a great massage (done on a table, properly). If they are keen to explore then massage is a great way to allow that to happen naturally. Yes I agree if the client is being hesitant and isn’t wanting to discuss why then there’s not a lot you can do, just be supportive and go with it.

My view is if that’s what they want, or if that’s what they can manage in the moment, then that’s fine by me. Of course I’m concerned if they suddenly want to stop: Did I do something wrong? Are they ok? Is there something causing anxiety? If he (or she) is happy to talk about it then we do. For some people the act of hiring someone is a big step, and in the heat of the moment it can all get a bit overwhelming. Feelings of guilt, shame or just performance anxiety can come out, it’s understandable given today’s judgemental society. If I can help by talking it through with them then I see that as part of the job. It doesn’t upset me, in fact I see it as a compliment if they feel they can share these things with me.

No drugs on overnights. If a client wants to pnp or take drugs on an overnight then I’m not their guy. I’m not dealing with clients off their head etc. I think you’re right though, lots do want that.