Jamie21

Yes I guess that’s true. London market is different. But I do get a lot of enquiries that don’t follow through. People saying “I’ll book next month” and “I’m thinking about it”. I’m not charging deposits to enter into a discussion with me. I’m fine to talk about the session with potential clients as long as it doesn’t become protracted or turn into a sex chat line service. Often they just want reassurance about coming because they’re nervous and inexperienced so it’s not a problem to me to help those guys.

I’m vaccinated now, they said wait a couple of weeks for full effect. I was told the risk is greatest by going to sex clubs or parties where you’ll be touching or having sex with lots of people. The risk from having a massage with a vaccinated masseur is much much less. So I’ll be avoiding sex parties for a while but I’m still seeing massage clients and am being even more careful about keeping things clean. People can make their own evaluations of risk but I want to do as much as I can to reassure clients.

In the past few years I’ve seen over 600 clients, I can recall about 4 that no showed. It’s very rare, and in my view not worth the disincentive that a deposit will provide to potential clients to apply a deposit policy. If my experience of no shows was worse then I’d consider it. I have occasionally (around 3 times) asked for a deposit if the booking is involving a lot of travel for me or if I have experience that the client is flaky. As for providers not showing up, you’ll get that if you engage amateur providers.

A lifetime. Start now. Keep going.

I learned at intimacymatters.co.uk and from other masseurs and courses. Then by trial and error. Still learning, always will be. Learning the massage techniques is relatively easy. Learning the business is more difficult. Learning how to really understand your client’s needs is the most difficult part of all. It’s also the part that makes all the difference and is absolutely the most interesting and rewarding part of the job. Focus on that.

It’s quiet. It might be because it’s August and people are away (my August is traditionally quiet). It might be because people are struggling to afford treats. It might be fear of pox. It might be all of those reasons. It is tough!! Send money 😉

My rates are on my website and on Rentmasseur (although on Rentmasseur the flexibility to show different rates based on time seems to be limited). The difficulty of putting rates on advertising sites is that you need to remember to update them when you change your rates. Last year I increased my rate for the hour massage (because my studio increased their room rental rate to me) but I forgot to update one of the sites where I advertise. A client contacted me via that site and during our conversation I said my rate to him. He questioned me because it was more than the advert. Of course I gave him the advertised rate but I did quickly update it!

This the problem with menu pricing, or as I call it the low cost airline model. There’s a reasonable looking base price but to get anything nice you add on all the extras and it becomes expensive, and annoying. I think it’s fair to charge extra for some things, like out calls (because of travel time & costs) and perhaps if the client wants something significantly outside of your core offering, but otherwise have a time based price that includes everything you’re happy to do. If you’re not happy to incorporate it into your massage then don’t offer it (even at extra charge) because you won’t do it with any sufficient degree of commitment. Your client will be able to tell. I think this is why some masseurs include optional extras with big charges attached. They really aren’t wanting to provide the activity but figure that they might aswell monetise it to compensate for having to do it. If you aren’t comfortable massaging naked simply don’t offer it! Do what you’re happy to do, within an overall price. That’s the fairest way for you and your client.

Generally clients won’t want to pay deposits, that’s my experience. So I don’t do them. Only if a client has booked a 4 hands and they’re not a regular client will I consider a deposit (if I get signals that they’re a bit flaky). Setting up a 4 hands is complicated and if the client doesn’t show up it’s wasting 2 masseur’s time.

Yes I agree. You’ll get a better massage usually from someone who’s first a masseur than from someone who’s an escort and is doing massage to pad out the time. Masseurs are invested in giving massage so that’s their focus. Of course they’re good at massage, and the sensual elements and will go to intimate areas then your massage will be arousing and seductive, and your masseur will ensure it includes an appropriate climax.

When I’m with my American clients I use my best English accent, it always works a charm. Of course an Englishman will be able to immediately identify my class status as soon as I open my mouth…so it’s less useful with the locals, they can tell I’m just a Londoner. But a foreigner can’t tell and they assume I’m very posh (which indeed I am!). Of course if they want a cockney when I open my north and south then I can do that too. And now I realise it’s straying off topic so just to keep things straight…I’ll do the accent for a tip, ok?

The not wearing socks is something I can’t abide, especially with dress shoes. You’d never see that on Savile Row or Jermyn Street.

In Milan I felt totally under dressed even when I had my best outfit on. I tried so hard but effortless style just seems to be something only Italians can pull off. I just looked English regardless of what I wore. And yes…you can usually spot an American (you usually hear them first) and then you see them. I don’t know what it is but they just don’t blend in to the background. And then you find they are extremely polite in person. I’m not used to being called Sir (unless it’s in a Dom/sub porn situation!!) but Americans seem to like using the phrase…”yes sir” when responding to requests. It’s very charming to English ears. When someone is in a different culture it’s difficult to know what’s allowed etc so I’m not going to judge because a lot of what seems inappropriate behaviour is just through innocent mistakes. I find it quite funny to hear of some of the faux pas that happen.

Hilarious 🙂 I live there (if you count England as Europe….many don’t but that’s way off topic!). I’ve traveled all over Europe many times, to about 15 different countries. Never found people to be arrogant (even the French…) And to stay on topic, my European clients tend not to tip as much as Americans do. The tipping culture is different here.

Filming content with guys is difficult as handling some of the most flaky clients! I film with amateur volunteer guys who’ve never been in a porn movie before (it’s all done with consent forms / release agreements) and with other justforfans or Onlyfans models. The amateur guys are relatively easy to line up but oh my goodness some of the other porn models are so difficult to coordinate collaborations with. A few are professional, turn up on time etc but so many are either late to the shoot, won’t commit until virtually the day it’s happening or just take ages to reply to messages.

That’s a whole continent categorised then!

Yay! I’m in some of Rab’s videos. The one we did called “another 4 handed massage session” has been very popular. We recently had a client book a 4 hands because they’d seen that video. By the way…. I love how @soberguy described it as ‘practically famous’ 🙂.

I had a guy message me on Monday this week: “hi, are you available today?” My answer… “no sorry I’m busy”. On Tuesday he asked same question. I gave him same answer. On Wednesday he asked again. Same answer again (I did suggest he give more notice). Today (Friday) he asked and I was available. So the booking happened. Yay! I don’t mind clients booking like that as long as they don’t mind being told ‘no’ more frequently than ‘yes’. But I prefer them to book ahead if possible. Kind of intrigued at what he did on Thursday though….??

There’s also an alert system to warn of dangerous clients or those that refuse to pay.

Put it all on Black 17

Yes there’s an App called Client Rating According to Providers. You put in all the details of your clients performance after the session and it calculates a score, based on 7 key aspects; Approach to booking, Sociability, Sexual performance, Hygiene, Openness to experience, Likeability and Ease of service. You might hear providers discussing clients scores on the App before accepting a booking. You’d hear “what’s his A.S.S.H.O.L.E rating on the C.R.A.P. App?” If the client scores < 5 they’re either declined or the price goes up. I understand that Uber have copied the model…

That’s good. I’ve clients who have been very generous in taking me to clubs or for meals. It’s unusual of course but some clients do like to get to know you a little better outside of the actual session. It’s even more of a ‘thank you’ than a tip.

Hmm I agree with most of that except the last part. Sex work is a real job. It’s probably unconventional but it is real. Nor is it lucrative, not when you consider all the time involved beyond the actual time with the client.

Most of my clients don’t tip. I know they’re satisfied though because they come back. If I charge by card the card reader has an option to add a tip but I don’t use it because it seems like I’m expecting them to tip, so card payments never include a tip. About 20% of clients pay by cash and some of them add a tip. I don’t expect it though. I prefer that if they enjoyed their session they book again or leave a positive review.

Agree!! You pick clients as much as clients pick you. You learn how to market to attract quality clients, you learn how to provide a better quality service than the average (actually that’s not difficult; there’s lots of amateurs), you learn how to get clients to come back. High quality repeat clients are your core business. Get those and you’re doing great.