Jamie21

Just ask and open your wallet. If you’re concerned that he might say ‘no’ and that might influence the relationship…don’t be. It’s very unlikely that he views the relationship in the same way you do (despite how he may behave in the session- that’s just because he’s good at his job).

Let us know how it goes! I did go up into the rocky cliff top area above Elia beach for some cruising. It’s good to wander round naked and see who’s up for fun.

I was once contacted by a client on a gay naked beach in Mykonos… I’d been walking along the waterline with my friend looking for a couple of beds to pitch up for the day. We find a suitable location and lay out our stuff and settle down to sunbathe. I checked my phone and see a message from a client ‘Hi Jamie, did I just see you on Elia beach?’. I messaged back ‘oh! Yes I am there…where are you?’. We then found each other and had a chat. He was with his husband so slightly awkward (I think the husband knew he’d hired me…). My friend thought it was hilarious. Later on a guy walking around in a white t shirt with ‘masseur’ on the back approached us touting for business. A massage was booked for next day (one each for me and my friend). It was nice to be on the table for a change (and yes it was that kind of massage 🍆💦). So I think if I lived in Mykonos I’d use the beach to look for business 🙂. Although I think I probably don’t quite have the beach perfect body that seems to be a requirement for that beach!

Yep always great to end with head massage. Some clients are asleep after 5 minutes of head massage 🙂

Everyone is different. Some clients cum after say 40 minutes…and not by me being unskilled and failing to keep them bubbling away….they just get over excited and cum. Last summer I had a client laying on his front, half hour into a 90m massage shoot his load just because my cock was next to his face. “Jamie…I just cum” he said, and he called time. I asked if he wanted to continue, maybe cum again etc but for him he was satisfied and asked to use the shower. He paid me the full rate. Another client who I first saw a couple of years ago did same after 15 minutes. Despite me trying to slow him down he didn’t want to relax so things rapidly developed and he shot his load. After that he was happy to lay down and receive a proper massage for the full time (with a second cum). He’s done the same thing every visit since that first time so now I just know that he likes to start like that. Everyone is different.

I get asked that. I don’t consider it unusual or offensive. Personally I don’t like them, so I avoid the aroma but if my client wants to use that’s fine by me (as long as he asks). I’ve one client who asks me to supply some for him. Actually that reminds me of another request which was made of me which is quite unusual. A regular client asks me to get him sex toys. I’ve bought a Fleshlight, and one of those awful fake rubberised vagina/ass thing for him. He reimburses me the cost when he pays for his session. The strange thing is we use the toy during his session but he then asks me to keep it for him, and he then isn’t interested in it any longer.

Well worth it @Coolwave35 😉…see you soon!

I think you were right to pass on him. ‘He’s avin a laugh’ as we say here in England. PS…By the way…next time you’re in London for a massage my rates have increased…£1k for the hour (inflation here terrible). I bottom too…that’s £200 per in thrust (out is free) 😉.

Some unusual requests I’ve had: 1. Wear underwear you’ve worked out in. That’s fine. 2. Don’t shower or use deodorant ahead of my massage. (Could have been same client as 1 above). That’s fine too. 3. Can my friend / partner watch? That’s fine but there’s extra charge if they want to join in. 4. Will you piss on me? This was a 4 hands massage (the guy was a client of the other masseur and I was asked by the other masseur if I’d do this with him). It was agreed. But I wouldn’t do again because I struggled to piss! Try anything once but this was not something I’d do again. 5. Will you tickle me? This was agreed. He actually wanted to be ticked for the whole massage, so it wasn’t actually a massage…. it was a tickle. I struggled to keep tickling him for the whole session. Wouldn’t do it again. Hard work! 6. Will you massage my wife as a surprise? (Actually this is a fairly regular request). It’s always a ‘no’. She must be in agreement and aware of the massage beforehand (and sign an agreement). Amazing how many guys ask for surprise massages for their partner. Of course there’s lots of normal, regular requests such as to wear certain underwear, use toys, certain physical acts, role plays, use masks or blindfolds, use floor/bed, shower together, happy starts middles and ends including how that happens etc. It’s amazing how many variations of massage are possible.

No, it’s a regular request. The answer is yes.

I’d say you’re both at fault. He was rude and you haggled over price. His rate is 300. That’s it, the starting rate. Looks like from the exchange that he expects to bottom. So he has to prep etc whether you book 30 mins or 3 hours. I don’t take bookings for less than an hour. It’s just not worth it and it seems that’s his view too, it’s not unusual. Often clients looking for half hour sessions are the same ones who haggle over price. Most guys I know will take a very dim view of haggling. It’s like saying to the provider “you have valued yourself at X per hour but I don’t think you’re worth that so I’m offering Y per hour”. That’s a poor start to what you hope will be a good session. For this reason, as soon as a client questions my rate I know for sure that they won’t book because I’m not reducing it nor am I going to do anything to facilitate the booking. That’s what he did….his response was that of someone who has already decided you’re not the type of client he needs. He could have been a little less blunt: “Sorry, I don’t do anything for less than $300”.

Does that mean after an hour they pay, then after another hour they pay again etc for however many hours the session lasts? I’m intrigued…is there a bell or something sounding after an hour? What if at that point your cock is in him? Do you pull out and sort the money then stick it back in once the fee is done? It’s like there’s a card reader in your ass crack the client has to swipe his card through whenever you stop pumping. “Ugh he’s stopped and I’m at my limit on the Visa, I wonder if he takes Amex?…swipe…great! …started again”😂 I only had one client try to pull a fast one on me. I always collect payment afterwards. The guy was dressed and ready to walk out without offering payment so I said “how would you like to pay?”. He makes some move to his wallet and says “oh I don’t have the cash”….in a surprised way. I think he expected or hoped I’d say “oh you were so hot and I had such fun that you don’t need to pay me, we’re now friends…this was a hookup etc”. Some guys have this fantasy that they’re on a date, maybe I made him feel like that and of course that’s what I’m aiming to do, that’s the job… but occasionally you come across those that think ‘oh maybe it’s real?’. I think he was one of those rather than someone trying to not pay. I felt quite awkward for him because he clearly hadn’t read the situation. Looking back on the messages we exchanged before he booked I could see he had assumed a familiarity with me despite my saying the rate and time duration etc so it clearly was a client session. I said “oh it’s ok I have a card reader, you can pay by card”. At this point he ‘found’ some money in his wallet but it was still short of about half the fee. I’m sure he expected me to say “oh that’s enough don’t worry about the balance” but I said “there’s a cash machine 5 minutes walk away, I have to walk past it so let’s go there and you can get the balance out”. So I got dressed and walked with him…very closely..to the machine where he withdrew the balance of what he owed me. He’s been back a couple of times since and always had the cash. I do think I’m his situation he hopes that we’ll end up mates and I’ll see him off the clock because he often messages to hookup etc. With clients like that it’s very difficult to make sure they’re clear about the nature of the relationship. If he wasn’t paying I wouldn’t see him. Some people really struggle to understand that unfortunately and I don’t want to have to explicitly explain it.

I agree with all the points you make @Simon Suraci, about that video, the use of baby oil (a total no no) the table wrong height etc. Although I don’t necessarily agree about the escort part. But I read @TectonicThrust post as being indicative of what he wanted rather than ‘recreate exactly this video’. For me a video showing something the client likes is useful and I can include it at an appropriate point in my routine. I can pace the session appropriately, read my client’s body and include the things he wants naturally in the massage. I don’t draw such a distinction between escort work and erotic massage work. You’ll obviously get a range of massage skills depending on the training the guy has had, and you’ll get a variety of sexual activity that he’s prepared and willing to include. He will be somewhere on the spectrum from purely therapeutic masseur to full service escort. What rate he charges for that is up to him. The important thing is that the client’s requirements and expectations match with what the escort/masseur is prepared to and skilled to provide. If those match and the rate is right then the ingredients for a great session are in place. What facilities that? Good communication from both sides.

I’ve filmed with him, for our respective fans sites 🙂. Actually I’ve done two pornos with him lol. Lovely friendly guy.

Ah yes in my rather innocent way I’m assuming they’re both based in a country with an up to date attitude to sex work…. 😊, one in Europe.

I’d have no problem with that. I like to know what clients would like to be included although I think it’s important to keep an element of the unknown; if the massage is too choreographed it’s less exciting. Before the massage starts I always ask if there’s any part of my client I should avoid, some people say what they don’t want touched (if there is anywhere it’s usually either their head, feet or their bum hole). If they say nothing is off limits then I feel internal massage is ok. Usually if you just apply a bit of pressure with your finger there they’ll open up for you if they want it inside 🙂 If you specifically want to have your prostate massaged as in that example video it’s important to ask. Some clients are quite embarrassed or coy about describing what they want so I’d say it’s a good idea to send a video and say “something like that please”. Most masseurs who do sensual or erotic massage will welcome this.

Of course it works both ways. Many times I get messages asking about my availability, services, rates etc and the client simply fails to reply when I go back. Here’s a few recent examples: No response to my last message. You’ll see I responded within an hour of each message. And my message has been read (the advantage of WhatsApp🙂). Or this recent example: In that one, when he messaged at 2pm I was with a client. The ‘services’ remark (there’s no ‘?’ …but I took it as a question asking what are my services?) is difficult. Aside from no response to my reply (this is now 3 days later) his style of questioning really didn’t deserve a response did it! I give a bit of understanding if English isn’t his language but really…’services’ isn’t giving me confidence he’s going to book. Or this one maybe? So I didn’t respond to the 00:56 message because I was asleep. I wouldn’t do a booking at that time at short notice anyway (wrong kind of client). But hey I replied and he was fine to suggest different times. I replied back within 20 minutes and it seems he’s disappeared? That was an encounter avoided fortunately! And finally this one: Obviously he just wanted to tell me he saw my add. How lovely, at least I know my advertising is visible (even if it only attracts the diffident 🙂). All of these examples of indifferent communication are from the past 2 weeks. Is it any wonder that some providers just don’t bother to respond to enquiries that look like they’re going nowhere? I don’t condone it, I reply to every message as soon as possible but I totally understand why people sometimes just wouldn’t bother.

Masseurs still have web pages. At least I have a website…and I know others do too.

I’m always surprised how people who’ve not worked as a provider seem to know exactly how it all works! It’s rather like all the amateur epidemiologists that suddenly appeared on Twitter during the pandemic, who swore they knew better than any expert who had studied it 😂. I find it amusing when people with no experience of doing sex work themselves try to tell me how I should run my business! Other sex workers never offer such advice because they know that it’s such a personal business (it’s impossible to do it without being authentic to yourself). They only give advice if asked. I’d say a 3 hour delay in responding is only one possible indicator that they’re flaky. You’re closing off opportunities if you go by just that one sign. Look also for other signs of flakiness…. casual language in how he responds (when he eventually does), an amateurish advert, lots of ‘ask me’ on services, few reviews, poor pics etc. If there’s a few signs then you have a good chance he’s flaky.

You can call it at 3 hours. I’d disagree though. Sometimes if I’m travelling I’m not able to respond for > 3hrs. Or as in a recent example …a text “r u available now?” at 2am. I was asleep. Responded 7 hours later at 9am when I woke. I wasn’t available at 2am anyway so I guess he was looking for an immediate response. I don’t do last minute 2am appointments. So whilst a slow response might imply he’s not organised or interested it doesn’t necessarily mean that.

Not so bizarre. Many clients want absolute confidentiality. Some are married or high profile. It’s understandable they’d use an alias, and then forget what name they used when rebooking.

Same. I’ve a client who likes to be spanked during massage. I do it because he likes it but it kind of makes me feel bad to hurt him… I know that’s what he likes but it’s still not really my thing. I did a 4 hands for him recently with another masseur friend who I know (have worked with him many times) and I know he’s much better at administering spanking than I am. My client’s ass was red by the time he left lol. I just wanted to kiss it better and bury my face between the glowing cheeks (well….he got that too and I could feel the warmth on my cheeks as I rimmed him 😂). My friends hand was bruised from all the slapping. I’d certainly not have done so much of it had it been just me but I loved seeing how much the client enjoyed the experience.

I’m sure most of my clients use an alias. One or two have even had a different name the second time they visited (I had their number in my phone against their original name..). It can get quite tricky.

That’s a definite pattern I see. If a guy contacts me and quickly starts a kind of ‘sex chat’ or sends a cock pic…it’s a 99% certainty he will not book a session. I don’t take deposits because I don’t have big sunk costs for a session if they don’t turn up (unlike @Jarrod_Uncut) but it is of course a waste of my time. Luckily I can screen out the time wasters by spotting these signs (sex chat, cock/ass pics, late night requests, certain trigger words, guys who ask for discounts, ‘students’, fantasists and guys arranging ‘surprises’ for their wives 😂). I have a < 0.5% no show rate but only about 50% of enquiries turn into bookings. It’s sometimes tempting to take bookings from ‘high risk of no show clients’ but I mostly avoid that. I can see how @Jarrod_Uncut must be tempted to take these risks because he’s already traveled and spent money. The business model is a very challenging one. I certainly couldn’t cope with it.

On a variation of this, I once refused to charge a client. Looking back on it I can see the funny side now but at the time I was really annoyed. He was a French guy visiting London. Had booked me for an hour sensual massage. Everything went wrong. He was a little late because he couldn’t find my place (I guess that’s down to him) but it started the session off a bit stressed. Then after 10 minutes the masseur using the other room phoned my room to ask me if I could see his card reader anywhere. This interrupted my client’s massage, just as I’d got him to relax. I couldn’t see the card reader so in the end I had to let the other masseur in to find it (which he couldn’t do). I apologised to my client and carried on, trying to re-establish the right atmosphere. Then, 10 minutes later an alarm clock which had sat on the shelf quietly for years suddenly decided to go off….and I couldn’t turn it off. Eventually I managed to silence it. By now the massage was 40 minutes in and should have been at a more erotic stage but there was no chance of that. So I just told the client that in view of all the calamities I’d not charge him anything. I finished him off and he got an hour but it wasn’t very relaxing or erotic.