Jamie21

Insights about what clients like or look for can be helpful but that’s not why I’m here. I just find the posts amusing and interesting on the whole. I think the discourse and courtesy is better here than other forums or places like Twitter (which I avoid any interaction on…I just post porn on there 😂). I’ve picked up a little business from it, which is welcome, but the main point of it for me is amusement at the stories and at the misapprehension of some commentators about how the business works.

And that you are erudite. All we need now is a classics reference to @Coolwave35’s story.

I’m always in London. Always. I never visit other cities (for work at least). There’s no need…London has enough clients to keep me busy. My website says I’m in London, my RentMasseur says I’m in London, my other adverts say I’m in London yet….I still get clients saying “can I book an hour this evening, I’m on 21st and 3rd downtown” or whatever (sorry I’m not good on generic US addresses!). Somehow they think I’m in their town. When I realise they’re not local to me I tell them I’m in London and they seem surprised! To be fair I do think that sometimes my number has been picked up by a website that ‘collects’ sex worker numbers to make it look like a lot of people advertise on there. It could be that but my number is clearly a UK number so I still find it funny they think I’m round the corner… I’m sure that when people see someone they like then they just forget to check whether they’re local.

I participate! But I do understand the point made by @DynamicUno. There’s an element of risk that potential clients might be put off by comments or views expressed here. I’m of the opinion however that if I’m being true to myself with opinions on here then anyone who is put off by that is probably a client I don’t want to see anyway because the dynamic wouldn’t work. Everyone wins that way because I don’t want to see clients who expect something different to what I do nor do I want clients to be disappointed. I want them to love it and come back.

It’s the price to pay for the gift. There’s always one guy who somehow makes you throw all reason and rationality to the winds. With me it’s a guy I first met when I started making porn films. We were not intended to film together. I was scheduled to film with a different guy. I’d turned up a little early and was waiting for my turn. The guy running the session was talking to me about his bad back (this was a massage porn film, we’d been discussing massage techniques) and in walks one of the models for what it turns out was an earlier session (but he was over an hour late). I looked around just as he walked in. In that moment he looked at me and smiled. As he walked across the room we kept eye contact. I knew in that instant we had to film together (and evidently so did he because he told me so afterwards). Fortunately the director noticed and changed the pairing so that we’d be together. He’s chaotic, has used drugs (not now fortunately) and is totally unsuitable for any sort of relationship. The actual sex is decent but I’ve had better, but the fun with him, all the build up to sex is amazing. There’s something about him that gets me every time. I don’t hire him (he’s stopped sex work) but I have worked with him (seeing clients and doing films / shows) and we come across each other from time to time. Every time we meet something happens that I’d not do normally. We know we are totally unsuited to each other but as soon as we kiss it’s like starting a chemical reaction.

It’s life. If the wrapping is so perfect, and he knows it, he doesn’t need to try once you’re looking to go beyond admiring his appearance. I bet there’s many like you who fall for his charms. I’ve done similar. You keep looking because surely there must be something substantial behind such beauty? But you find theres’s nothing inside, it is indeed all superficial.

I see what you are saying @robear. Whilst you appear responsible unfortunately many aren’t and they’ll download all the content and upload it to free sites. Some of the films on my justforfans are available for followers to purchase by downloading them. Most of them are viewable online through the subscription. It’s my income, it costs me to make the films (I have bought cameras and lighting equipment, I pay for editing, for locations and subscriptions to sites to promote the films. Plus there’s my time. If there’s no way of me monetising the films, at least to cover the costs and my time I simply wouldn’t do it.

I don’t hire other providers but I do arrange sessions with them if they’re up for that because I like to share ideas and talk with them about the work. It’s networking really. It provides an opportunity to talk with someone who understands sex work from a similar perspective. I find that only those who have done the job can really understand it. If the other guy has an Onlyfans or similar then the meet is also a collaboration and we film it for content.

I did a collab with him recently for my justforfans. He’s a great guy, totally professional. Great body, and really friendly.

I have an Onlyfans (and a Justforfans) and you’re correct that when you do a collab with a model you don’t pay them: it’s a mutual deal whereby you both get content you can monetise on your Onlyfans page. There’s an interesting dynamic though in that the ‘big names’ on the fans sites tend to collaborate with other models in their league in terms of followers and profile. You contact guys to collab with and if they think you don’t have enough followers they won’t collab with you because they won’t get enough exposure. You have to slowly work your way up the hierarchy by performing with models who are in your league or just above to build your presence. Luckily when I started I already had a couple of friends in who had a decent profile in the porn industry so I collaborated with them. Basically on the fans sites you fuck your way to the top (or bottom depending on your perspective). It’s very like real life 😂.

$499 is reasonable though. (just to keep this going…)

Or you lost out to someone who was more proficient at blowing. Always important to practice those skills, and swallow of course.

I once turned up to a client (hotel out call) a whole hour early by mistake. I think I’ve written about it on here previously. It was a duo session with another guy. Client wanted the other guy first and then me to join them after a couple of hours to ‘add some variety part way through the session’. All was agreed (I knew the other guy I was working with) and times arranged etc. I confirmed it back to them but somehow I still knocked on the door of the room a whole hour ahead of my scheduled time. The thing is I really struggle with time. It’s definitely a conscious effort for me to keep track of it and be on time. I couldn’t read a traditional hands clock until I was much older than my classmates. I still find it difficult to measure how long things will take. Anyway the client was fine about me being early, he found it funny (told me it wasn’t the first time he’d had a hire cum prematurely!). He still asked me to wait in the hotel lobby though until my scheduled time…

Huw Edwards did nothing illegal, the police have said they are not interested. Maybe he was unwise but who hasn’t been unwise? I don’t think it is any business of anyone else’s what he does with his money and in his non work time. He’s not a politician he’s a journalist so there isn’t really any public interest in it. As long as he’s doing nothing against the law then he can do what he likes. Including paying silly money for pictures of an adult. I’ll sell him some of mine at those rates 🙂. Unfortunately for him the desire of some parts of the media industry to destroy the BBC has driven them to publish something that is not worthy of the attention it is seemingly getting. I bet plenty of those high profile people who are lining up to criticise him secretly think ‘there but for the grace of God go I”…. I’m not surprised he’s suffering mental health issues because it must be stressful for him being the centre of this circus. I hope he gets good help and can come back to do what he’s good at.

I agree with @AJDalton it’s not good form to cancel a client because something better or more lucrative has come along. I’ve not done it (although I’ve never had something where the financial incentive is so compelling to do so!). I have occasionally asked already booked clients if they can move their session forward or backwards by half hour or an hour so that I can accommodate another request but if the first come client says no then I honour their original booking. People book an hour to see whether they like you. It’s a more cost effective way to try out before booking longer. I’d rather have a regularly returning 1 hour client than a once off longer client. So I think it’s good business to be respectful and honour those who have already booked, even if it’s an hour because you never know: they could become a regular. My business is sustained by regulars. The other point to note is that I get disappointed when clients cancel a booking, so I really don’t want to be doing it to them unless of course it’s unavoidable (sickness or something like that).

No regrets. I love doing it. It can be challenging though, and impacts your sex life. I think you need to be mentally strong, and keep a sense of perspective. It’s not a ‘normal’ job.

I charge more for out calls. That factors in the travel time. If it’s beyond my normal out call rate area then I’ll quote a rate that takes into account the travel time and costs. Then it’s up to my client whether they’re prepared to pay it or not. If they are, then we have a deal. If the travel time exceeds 90 minutes each way then it’s usually not viable for them.

And then there’s being hired, confirming all ok with the client before setting out, going to the address the client gave you, arriving on time and then being told by the client that he’s not ready for 15 minutes, waiting around for him to be ready…only then to have the client ghost you and switch off his phone. Presumably because he’s changed his mind…. And what’s worse is doing that with another sex worker because the client wanted the two of you. No deposit paid or anything and both of us having travelled to him and wasted our time. We waited another 10 minutes just in case he was genuine, and then gave up and went for breakfast together (the guy I was working with was a friend). We waited too long. I was also naive then because I didn’t notice the signs he would flake (there were lots). Now I know better I wouldn’t wait longer than 5 minutes without a clear message. It works both ways, provider or client should be on time, if they’re not they should message the other person and agree a revised time if possible. Otherwise cancel it.

When I posted my original comment I did say ‘most people’. I didn’t say ‘you’. My perception is that it does apply to most people. This issue reminds me of the Ricky Gervais ‘guitar lessons’ joke.

Leaving the market to those who logically decide they can afford it.

I keep saying. The price a guy charges is totally up to him. It’s what he values his time at. It’s got nothing to do with your perception of value except if your perception equals his then you might hire him. If he values himself so high that no one hires him then that’s his problem not yours.

Overpriced for you.

Not worked up about it are you…. And you choose not to pay it. Like I said 😉

I think the reason most people get worked up about rates being ‘over priced’ or ‘not good value’ is because they can’t afford them. The rate someone charges is entirely up to them. You can choose to pay it or not, that’s entirely up to you. If there’s a market it will happen.

Charge your normal rate. Because although he has said now that he doesn’t want any sexual activity that is highly likely to change, either at the first session or subsequent ones. In that situation, if you have discounted, it’s not easy to then charge the normal rate again. His expectations are set and if sexual activity did occur he’d possibly think it was because you were happy to do that outside of any transactional service. That all becomes very difficult. If he books you at the normal rate and expects to pay it, and nothing sexual happens then you do have the option of giving him say 20% back after he’s paid you if you want to. Then you’re in control of the rate.