Jamie21

Come to London. It’s part of my massage if you want that.

That guy got me too. Ion Davidov …something about him, I can’t say what it is but he makes me melt. He could do anything to me 😂.

#7 yes could be, or language issues (I try to allow for that, not everyone speaks the King’s English 🙂). The opposite is the ones that open with ‘fuck?’ or ‘full service?’. I’m thinking could you not say “hello do you fuck please?”😂. But “hey” or something similarly diffident does usually imply that they’re not serious. It’s a red flag for me (as are the blunt examples I gave too). I’ll engage and see if their approach changes but if it remains casual then they’re almost certain not to book or be flaky. #10 yes they could have got the urge! But that’s exactly what I see as a red flag. It’s an ‘are you available now’ thing. On the few occasions I’ve done those clients there’s been problems. Sometimes they’re drunk or high. So now I decline anything in the next 2 hours, just not worth it. Yesterday I had a client book in the morning for same day (like at 9am for a 1:30pm appointment) and it was great. I don’t count that as being an impulse and I had availability so he was booked, no problem. So these are my red flags, after seeing many clients (4 figures). Others may have different depending on their model or aptitude for hassle!

This. I totally agree.

I agree it’s a legitimate transaction. Some clients like the money part to be minimised and almost a separate thing so that the meeting feels less transactional. I’m fine with that. These guys tend to just hand me an envelope at the beginning or they leave it visible on the side. I never count the money while the client is in the room unless he asks me to. Once he’s left I count it and only a couple of times has it been short. I have a clients leave their shoes outside the door (they’re in a safe vestibule). This enables me to count it once they’ve left in the safe knowledge that should it be short I can open the door and find them still putting on their shoes 🙂. It’s the little things that make the difference isn’t it…

It looks ok, but definitely not natural. He seems happy with it, which is all that matters. It certainly works nicely 🙂

I’m not usually a bottom but the first few inches are the most difficult, after that it really doesn’t matter…then we’re just talking how long it takes. I find girth to be more of an issue than length. I have a client who has had his cock filled. It’s so fat I can’t get my hand around it. I’m really pleased he’s not asked to top me.

I found a group called voyeurs and exhibitionists run by a guy (who was himself a voyeur). He’s organise sessions for voyeurs to watch exhibitionists perform. Im exhibitionist and I contacted him about performing at a session. He organised it (was at a hotel suite), advertised it, sold tickets and then on the day I performed a sex show with a friend of mine for the audience. We got paid but it was the excitement of being watched by about 30 people that was the best part. We both went on after that to make porn lol. Sadly the group no longer runs.

I think for most the need for discretion comes because of the sex. They don’t want people to know they’re buying sexual services, because of the stigma that might bring, or the embarrassment. It’s a shame but that’s the case with society. And yes I also think some like the element of subterfuge that goes along with buying sexual services. It can be exciting if you’re normally very conventional.

Yes, Price and quality aren’t related.

Often, the more expensive something is the more people want it. A kind of exclusivity. Good for him. Sweat those assets while they last.

It’s almost certainly a bait and switch: You respond with a request to meet…but unfortunately Reno isn’t available at the moment because he’s travelling but you can book Bill instead for a slightly lower rate…

It’s because the cost to the provider of doing a half hour job isn’t half the price of an hour booking. There’s a minimum rate that he will have, usually for an hour. Anything less than that, even if it’s for only half an hour of time, isn’t worth the hassle. Say if my min rate is £150 for the hour, I’m not interested in £75 for half an hour. The amount of preparation time, hassle etc means anything starts at £150. If you want a quickie then book the hour, pay for the hour, and leave early.

Here’s the red flags which I’ve learned from years of experience. All of them are an automatic ‘no’. Say ‘sorry no’ to these clients and do not be tempted to give them the benefit of the doubt. Decide your rules and stick to them regardless. If you don’t do that the work will destroy you. 1. I’m not able to afford it, would you do me a discount? Top 🚩 2. I’m a student / temporarily unemployed are there special rates for me? These might come with a ‘sob story’. Very sad. But still it’s a ‘no’. 3. Do you do half hour sessions? (Anything less than your minimum advertised session….and if you’re advertising anything less than an hour minimum why are you doing that?) 4. Any reference to ‘I’ll be a regular client’ in the discussion. Big 🚩 You’ll never see him again. 5. Any reference to them being so hot that you’ll not want to charge. Run a mile from these. Run a mile. 6. Opening with ‘I’m very inexperienced / a virgin etc’. Don’t waste your time (if this comes up after he’s booked it’s less of a 🚩 but he’s likely to cancel on the day. 7. Any contact that opens with ‘hey, what’s up, how are you’ etc will be a waste of time. You decide whether you have the spare time to engage with a window shopper. 8. Any contact that opens with a dick pic (or ass). Delete and block. Don’t waste your time. It’s probably not his dick anyway. 9. Any sex chat during the booking conversation (unless it’s a genuine question about activities included). It will be obvious if the booking process is being used for sex chat. Big 🚩 Disengage immediately. 10. Last minute or urgent bookings. “Free now? I’m desperate” Always trouble. Just answer ‘no sorry’. Even if he offers premium payment don’t accept the booking. The common theme? These clients don’t value you. If you accept them at their terms then you’re agreeing with their valuation. That can’t be the start of a good meeting.

Sorry it happened. But there were far too many red flags, starting with the discount request. Be strict, have your rules and never break them even if it’s tempting.

Yes I think that happens. I’ve got regular clients who I get to know (and vice versa). With regulars it’s impossible not to get to know them to some extent. I think I’ve mentioned before that one regular client became a friend who I go on holiday with and do social events (to the extent that he no longer hires me because it felt awkward…that cessation of the paid relationship ended because I instigated it). However for the majority of my regular clients there’s a professional distance maintained I think mainly because of the confidential nature of the service. They don’t want to reveal too much and nor do I. That’s the difference between a client relationship in an accountant or doctor or lawyer relationship and that with your sex worker!!

I do the same! Very effective. Some guys ask every 12 months or so. Same things happen every time…. He messages: “Hi”…..then nothing for a few hours then “Looking for a massage” (I feel like replying “tell me when you find it”) but I play along. Next he asks “any pics?”. I send my website details. Then he asks “how much?” (It’s on my website but he obviously only looked at the pics), so I send the rates. Next it’s “when are you free?”. By now I’ve given up hope but I reply “10 am to late weekdays, daytime Saturday”. Then nothing for a day or so until he replies “any more pics?”. I reply “you asked the same questions 12m ago, and then 15m before that”. Usually he then goes quiet for a year 😂. There’s a few of these guys…each follows a well established pattern. Then there’s the guys who book every 6 months or so but cancel on the day or day before with some excuse like they’re unwell or the dog is having its leg amputated or something. These are the ‘I booked when horny but am now too scared to come’ brigade. 6m later they’re back, with no mention of the previous few cancellations, because they built up their courage again. I have to say to them “you’ve booked then cancelled 3 times now…are you sure you really want to book or can I help you overcome any anxiety?”. That usually results in them going away.

Slightly off topic but I did a film with a guy who freaked out when I came on his chest. It surprised me…I mean we’re filming porn, the cum shot is kind of the object of the exercise! We’d agreed prior to the shoot that there would be no internal cum but I kind of assumed a load on him would be ok. He’d already cum on his abs and then I bust my load over his chest for the finale which he immediately wanted to be wiped clean. I’ve never had that with clients. I understand they might not want it inside them but I don’t see any risks with cum on the body. Usually with clients I won’t cum unless they specifically ask for it. My focus is on their climax and once that’s happened they usually lose interest in me cumming!

I’m sorry to hear this. It sounds like the guy you hired is indeed a caring person and cares about your feelings which must make it worse. However clearly despite being passionate with you he doesn’t share your feelings. I think sometimes clients misread passion as indicative of deeper feelings, especially if you include kissing. I love kissing but I’m careful as to how it’s perceived. I totally understand his non response when you told him you loved you felt when with him. It’s similar to situations I have had when it appears that a client is ‘crossing a line’. They say things like that, they start sharing quite personal things, and they send lots of messages. It becomes really difficult to remain friendly, so as to maintain the relationship (in essence a commercial relationship) whilst keeping a distance. Sometimes you just have to respond with silence because to say ‘I like you but if it wasn’t for the payment I wouldn’t be here’ is to let too much daylight in upon magic and is personally hurtful. No one wants to do that to a client so you just say nothing and hope the message gets through. I hope you’re able to see it now in hindsight for what it was. If you hire someone, regardless of how it appears, always remember that if it wasn’t for the money he almost certainly wouldn’t be there, and if you’d like that to change it’s up to him to initiate it.

I agree with @DGHouIt’s possible to make a lot more money on OF, for less work. Especially once you have a catalogue of content on the platform. You can post a couple of videos over a month and your subscriber income could be thousands or tens of thousands, depending on how popular you are. These videos are shot in one day, with collaborators you like and then you might spend a few hours editing them. I pay a guy to edit and film some of my videos because I don’t have the interest or time to do the editing. I like the client work though so I prefer to keep both in person client work and the filming but I can easily see how for some popular guys the Onlyfans model is preferable. They also tend to travel a lot doing collaborations across the world so that makes it difficult to see clients in person.

A client said that to me once, quite convincingly. So I went slow but …I hardly touched the sides. My face must have looked surprised, until with a wink he added ‘today’ to the sentence.

This. I genuinely enjoy the work. I guess that comes over with clients. I think when you come across any worker in any job you can usually tell if they really like the job or if they’re mostly just going through the motions and not really engaged with the job. With a sex worker, because of the proximity and the very personal nature of the work it’s very easy to see and feel the difference of someone enjoying their work vs someone who is just ‘present’ in body only. So I think as a client you could quite easily misread that in a BFE as ‘he has feelings for me’ when it’s really ‘he is enjoying his job’. Be very careful with that because it can lead you to great disappointment. I had a regular client where the sessions were great, I guess they must have been because he kept coming back. To me he was a nice client, but just that…another client who I’d not think about until his session or at the time he booked. Unfortunately I didn’t see it coming but one time during a session he told me he loved me. At first I made light of it because I didn’t think he was serious but then he repeated it with total conviction. I didn’t know what to say but when I looked into his eyes I could see that my reaction had hurt him and I felt so bad for him. He told me he’d been thinking about me for ages and he wanted to take me on holiday with him. We didn’t get to discussing my rate for that because I suspected he thought I’d reply with ‘I love you too’ and we’d be in a relationship. I had to tell him that the feelings weren’t mutual…although he must have known from my initial reaction to his statement. He didn’t want to hear it though and he wanted me to reconsider and maybe I was just not seeing it. I had to be really blunt with him which was awful. I was so surprised that he had misread the situation so badly. Of course he’s never booked again. So I’d say be really careful about mistaking his expertise at his job for something else. 99.9% likely it’s going to end up badly.

They’re on my justforfans (link below). I’ve filmed a few with him, initially when he wasn’t showing his face.

Maybe they’re teasing you? Or it genuinely is just the site for sharing the number of known trouble makers?

You have 3* on there (out of 5*) not bad but I think you need to up your game a little to get to 4*. Tip better, do more groaning and say “harder… ugh it’s so big” regularly during the session, and arch your back more when you’re on your front. Otherwise you seem to have some decent reviews on there (except for the 1* in Sep,23…what happened there? I guess we can all have a bad day). I can’t share the website because of data protection laws. But if you keep doing a good job as a client I’m sure your rating will improve. Seriously though! …no such site exists. No one is interested in rating clients, there’s no practical way to organise it since there’s no register or website of clients advertising their potential custom. All anyone cares about is whether a client is going to be a time waster, refuse to pay or is crazy (or all 3 which is usually the case). You can tell that when they contact you 99% of the time. There are some sites where the phone number of seriously troubled individuals are shared so that guys know who they are but these don’t ‘rate’ clients. It’s solely from a safety and security perspective.