Jamie21

It is also very hard to change yourself though! But easier than changing the world. I still want to fix things I don’t like in the world of course, but now I catch myself before I charge into the fray and I let it flow around me. Their problem not mine.

I’ve asked for deposits twice. In 8 years of working and many many clients (4 figures). In my early years I had a few out calls that were wild goose chases. The kind where the client is all keen etc until you reach their place and then they ‘disappear’. Now I’m wiser and I can see the red flags and avoid these time wasters. Both occasions I asked for a deposit were 4 hands sessions where the other provider was travelling and I wasn’t confident the client was legitimate (but I was sufficiently confident to accept the booking). I can accept the time wasted if my judgement was wrong but I’d feel really bad to get the other provider into a flaky client situation, hence I asked for the deposit. Both times the client paid the deposit no trouble, and turned up, so all was good. Like @josh282282says, I just factor the cost of the occasional flake into my pricing and I do as much as possible to mitigate against the time wasters. It’s just sensible good practice to do this. It’s easier to adjust yourself to the world than it is to rail against the world because it won’t behave as you want it to.

I sense you haven’t been on here long? 🫣 I agree with you on flaky clients. Many of the dilettante types are just getting off on the enquiry. Honestly the number of ‘hey are you free today / tomorrow etc’ to whom I respond but who then simply go quiet is astounding. What do they do?… Get bored? Lose their phone? Forget they asked?. Why ask me, get a reply and then ignore it? I’ll never understand that. Or the ones that message with ‘hey’ and then silence….what’s that about? Trying to see if I’m real? Same day requests are annoying if I can’t do them because it feels like income foregone but I’d rather they ask me because sometimes it works. This is a service business, you do need to be a bit flexible to clients requirements, within what’s reasonable for you. If you want the predictability of a 9 to 5 job….go and do a 9 to 5 job. I certainly wouldn’t do that! I love the variety of the job. I don’t see many scams, it’s mostly impossibly pretty females sending me direct messages on X. If only they looked at my X they’d see its full of gay porn. They’d get more chance of me falling for it if they send me some hot topless guy asking about a collab. That I’d probably reply to 😂

I do massage on the bed (especially if the clients room is too small to fit my table). Even a single bed is ok. Personally I prefer to give massage on a table because the bed is too soft and not ideal for a good massage but needs must. As for hotels…they don’t care. I’ve seen clients in some of the top London hotels, both with and without my table. Often the client meets me in the lobby because sometimes you need a key to use the lifts. Otherwise they just give me their room number and I meet them in the room. It’s all agreed beforehand.

Unfortunately a lot of these unprofessional providers live chaotic or on the edge of chaotic lifestyles. They’ll manage to show up for you a couple of times and it’ll be fun but eventually they’ll let you down because ‘they have to’. They didn’t mean it (they rationalise to themselves), their need is more important than yours (they tell themselves) and they definitely maybe mean to reimburse you (they tell you) but somehow it never happens and time moves on. Their life becomes more chaotic and they forget. The red flags for these guys are always there: irregular replies, indications of drug use, unpredictable behaviour etc but they look hot and are enticing so you overlook it all and get drawn in. Hire professional guys, it’s much better for your sanity and your bank balance…

Yes and the model has more to lose by having their IG banned or suspended so they’ll be very careful about even responding to requests to meet. I direct all such enquiries to my linktree which has info on how to contact me for discussions like that. OF is the same, and one definitely doesn’t want to engage in any kind of meet up discussion on there. Unfortunately naive clients do sometimes send such messages and I guess they assume the answer is a ‘no’ when they get a bland or no reply when the reality is they just don’t understand how to play the game….

Mainly the aesthetic. They have to be longish mid way between ankle and knee, the right colour and enhance the calves. I’ve got large calves which the socks enhance. It’s all about the details 😂

Don’t DM on instagram. Especially don’t mention paid meetings or anything similar on there. Instagram will ban suspend or ban the model’s account if they discuss such a thing on there. You’d need to move the discussion off instagram if you wanted to discuss hiring him. Similarly on Onlyfans: they will ban or suspend any creator discussing meets. I get guys messaging me on both my IG and OF about meeting and it’s difficult to respond to them directly. Best to contact guys for meets via their X / Twitter (they don’t care!) or via his contact number which you’ll find with a bit of simple research if he’s open for business.

I do that! But they have to be sports socks.

When you do sex as work (whether that’s escorting/massage or porn) it can become difficult to cum. So often you’re trying not to cum because ‘it’s not time yet for the film or the client …you get used to not cumming. In addition sex becomes so normal and commonplace that you become desensitised to some extent. I expect this is probably the reason he was trying to set expectations. I always try to set expectations with clients, we’re human. Things don’t always work. Some clients can have quite unrealistic expectations of an overnight (although to be fair those guys never actually book…they just talk about it). Overnights are more about companionship than endless full sex and cumming. It’s about chatting, cuddling, bathing, eating, watching tv or porn together, going to the hotel gym, kissing in the elevator, holding hands at the bar, kissing him passionately while he’s pinned up against the corridor wall, visiting a local sauna together, hiding under the duvet sucking him off while he phones his partner 🫣, showing him how your new prostate massage toy works, walking out of the bathroom in nothing but a leather harness and jock just as room service has wheeled in dinner…. (Ok so some of these may be autobiographical 😂). What I mean is these kind of longer sessions are about connecting much more deeply than is possible in a shorter 90m session. Tbh I prefer to do them as an afternoon rather than overnight. They work really nicely as a 2pm to 8pm or something like that because it’s sexy to have afternoon fun while everyone else is working, there’s no sleep involved (I like my sleep uninterrupted!) and somehow it feels more illicit. Day use hotel rooms make such a thing possible.

Too much hassle to prep every time! I don’t bother doing it with regular clients who I know are bottom. Plus the majority of my clients are bottom because I’m hung and that attracts the bottoms😂. So I basically assume they’re not interested in my hole unless they say or imply otherwise when booking.

Yes, although clients who definitely want me to cum usually ask for that when booking, so I know and can make sure it happens for them. I avoid booking more than 3 a day so if they all want me to cum then it’s possible but tbh mostly I try to avoid it. Once the client has shot his load he’s not much interested in me doing so!!!

Yay!! That’s my site 🙂

Are you saying I’m old??? …..you’re correct, although I call it ‘experienced’ and my clients call it ‘daddy’ 😂😂😂

Risky, but if you definitely want to know you’ll find out this way. Be prepared to be disappointed though! It’s not binary between ‘he’s a great actor and is doing it for the money’ or ‘he really is into me and will give it all up and come and marry me’. Anyone decent at this work will be able to make their clients feel fabulous / desired / sexy / attractive etc for the duration of their session. I can find that in anyone (ok, almost anyone 😬…I can recall one or two who got through the screening…). I’m not ‘acting’, I’m not doing it only for the money although that is a factor. If one did it only for the money one would very quickly burn out in the work. But I’m also not thinking ‘I want to marry him and run off into the sunset’ even if there’s strong chemistry, the sex is amazing and we get on. It’s just that one is able to compartmentalise it and treat it as a job. That’s quite difficult to understand if you haven’t done the job, but nevertheless important to understand if you become infatuated with a provider. I’d say best to not put him on the spot. If he has decided he wants to start a relationship then he will tell you. That way you’ll definitely know it’s real. Effectively he’s resigning from his job if he does that.

Provider (of sexual services). The words in brackets are implied. I think the obfuscation is clearly because of the legal position of sexual services in the US. Here in the UK it’s legal to provide sexual services, and of course it’s a much less puritanical society. The phrase most commonly used here, and which I use to describe myself is ‘sex worker’.

I’ve had exactly the same thing happen to me. I try to be a professional in this industry (it’s not easy). I keep my commitments, am always in a fit state to see clients (never drink, never do drugs), I provide more than I advertise (always aim to exceed expectations). I never ask clients for pictures or discriminate on their looks or age or anything. If I’m unwell I’ll cancel and offer the client an alternative. I had a client tell me I was cancelling because they weren’t fit enough when the reason was I was unwell. He simply didn’t believe me. I couldn’t even challenge him on it because he blocked me as soon as he’d sent me his ‘poor me it always happens to me…you guys are all the same’ message. If that’s his view of things then everything that happens to him will be seen through that lens. It simply reinforces his mistaken world view. I think these guys have personal issues to overcome before they’re ready to come for a massage. It’s a problem avoided for me. I’m glad he revealed what he’s like. You did the right thing. You can’t please everyone. Consider it a bullet dodged. Work with people who aren’t full of self pity.

I think straight men are more scared / censorious of same sex activity than straight women are. Women seem much more open minded to same sex activity whether that’s guy on guy or girl on girl. I’ve done live sex shows (me and another guy fucking) and most of the audience was women, of all sexualities. They loved watching two guys go at it. The ‘straight’ men in the audience were more anxious about it (probably because they were turned on but didn’t want to acknowledge that because that might make them gay 😂). The women just enjoyed it.

Might be. Red flags tend to come in groups: incredible pics, low rates, requests for deposit, request for extra money for an Uber etc. Do an image search on his pics… he could be ‘borrowing’ them. That’ll reassure you that they’re probably genuinely him. Then beware of other red flags cropping up once he’s drawn you in.

I tell clients that they’re welcome to touch me as much or as little as they like. Some like to touch, some prefer to just receive touch, it doesn’t matter to me. The most difficult clients are those who are grabby and have no sense of how to touch. Fortunately they are very rare. I think most clients like to feel my cock brush against them during the massage. I do let it land in their hands as I stand at the side lol. I saw a client a couple of days ago who wanted to wank me off and shoot on his chest as I kneeled astride him on the table. It’s the visuals that he liked. Some clients like to test out my hole too although it can be difficult if I’ve not been expecting them to be interested in that. If I know beforehand they’re likely to go there I’ll prep and lube it up.

I’ve been working as a masseur for 7 years. Best job I ever did.

I did an 8 hands one time. It was hardly a massage. It was more like an orgy. I wouldn’t call it a massage.

I give them regularly. I only give them with other providers who I know because a lot rests on the skill of the providers. Here’s some tips if you’re thinking of a 4 hands: It’s not like a 2 hands but with 4 hands. It’s a less relaxing style of massage. More is going on so the client will probably find it difficult to fully relax like they would in a 2 hands. Often, 60 minutes is enough because 4 hands progresses fairly quickly. The 2 masseurs need to be similar in style and philosophy. It will feel strange if one masseur is mostly firm and the other uses lighter touch. If you want the masseurs to interact with each other as well as you then ask them beforehand. Make sure they’re comfortable working with each other.

I love it!!! Sit on my face. 🤪

@mike careyhas sensible advice. The red flags (well covered elsewhere on here) are what you should look out for when hiring; the location is very much secondary, if it matters at all.