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7 hours ago, Skip said:

Is $400 really that much? If you are really worried about the difference in  200 or 300 or 400 then maybe you would be better off putting some funds into your 401(k) because if money is that tight...you need to stick to porn online.  

@KeepItReal, here you go. 

1 minute ago, HoseMaster said:

For some people on these forums, that is a big difference.  I’ve had a few private conversations with some of the guys on these forums, and they do have financial limitations where they do have a fixed monthly income, and only have so much extra money to spend on some of the finer things in life. 

You’ve got members in this forum who act like unless you make seven digits, you shouldn’t be involved in this hobby. Not my view, but the provincial, myopic view of some here. 

48 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

Unless it’s genuine….

And how are you to know? Like I said, I had two providers who wanted me to know they considered me friends as long as the gifts and money and trips kept coming. But when I went MIA because of my mom’s COVID situation and communication and favors dried up, the friendship evaporated. One even ghosted me…after I shared that my mother had died. The other seems more…uninterested now.

On the whole, I don’t call people friends because like I said, it means I consider myself devoted to them in a way I wouldn’t with just anyone. But if someone explicitly says to me they consider themselves my friend, that changes the calculus – or it has in the past at least.

As for escorts as friends – I’ve learned my lesson. Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. I’ve had escorts tell me they are my friends and it turned out they weren’t. I’m not letting that happen again. And so that may mean that I don’t consider any escort a friend. One rotten apple spoiled the bunch.

Add to that…I simply wouldn’t pay any friend, at this point, to fuck. If I’m paying someone to fuck me, then it’s business.

@DrownedBoy– I agree with you largely. I especially agree with you regarding the competitive rates in the market where you find yourself.

You’ll all sorts of defenses to the contrary here, for various reasons. The most popular “if he can get the rate, let him.” Very capitalistic, but you’ll also see that the vehement advocates for that capitalism only seem to care so passionately about the supply side.

5 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

That’s a difficult one. Clients make a few visits, the sessions go well, we chat and get to know each other. Some then consider themselves ‘friends’.

When the provider says something akin to “I hope you consider me among your friends,” that’s different than me thinking because we hit off, that we’re friends. That word/line is manipulative coming from a provider.

I find it interesting that GB is so different, in more ways than one!

5 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

why should I reduce my rate just because some people can’t or won’t pay it? 

The “friends” question comes into play here.

2 hours ago, Rod Hagen said:

to me it sounds as if 1. you have money, which is great.  2. a friend hasn't taken advantage of your willingness to work for friends for free, which is also great. 

many professionals are not in a financial position to offer services or goods to friends for free, or even a discount.  also, many professionals are more guarded than you explain yourself to be.  that's not a fault.

I also don’t immediately consider someone a friend that I owe something. When you’re my friend, I owe you my devotion. And that means some sacrifice. Friendship doesn’t mean much otherwise…*
 

*For me

6 minutes ago, acks01 said:

You seem to be getting very upset by an off handed comment someone made. Maybe take a break from the forum for a bit? You've literally resorted to saying that people here are "predisposed to be jerks and assholes". Come on now. It's truly not that serious.

Til I make such a comment. Then it’s very serious.

4 hours ago, DapperGent said:

Perhaps, if you see them as people and not just as fast food items you could have a small but high quality rotation of men servicing you

This really bothers me. I cannot express exactly how much it bothers me. The negative association you choose to make out the gate without knowing me and assigning value to my statements that nowhere near approached the level of - “menu” of men.

And add to that the piling on that members of this forum have done to applaud it. It really does say that there are people here are predisposed to be jerks and assholes. Instead of reading something as a neutral statement or even saying, “Surely my gut reaction was wrong and he didn’t mean that,” some will go with the worst case, most insulting interpretation at hand.

17 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

It seems like there's been an influx of inexperienced, young, and high charging escorts as the pandemic subsided. I have a theory.

Or they’re desperate in these “difficult, unprecedented times.” 

4 hours ago, DapperGent said:

Perhaps, if you see them as people and not just as fast food items you could have a small but high quality rotation of men servicing you

First of all, that’s a disparaging, derogatory reading of what I wrote.

Secondly, I do look holistically at the guy. And I’ve found that those who haven’t fallen victim to “Hollywood glam” are much better at providing. Add to that that they’re not as expensive, it’s a better combo for me.

I resent the idea that I’m picking over providers like menu items. I resent it greatly and find it personally insulting. 

7 hours ago, mike carey said:

I disagree. It is possible for the two relationships to exist simultaneously. I have read people in here recount friendships with escorts enduring when the escort retired. I have friendships with escorts with whom I have discussed hiring (and not done so yet) and others where I have had social interactions and even travelled with, where we have kept the sexual part of our interactions professional without compromising the friendship. Not all escorts are open to that, but don't discount the idea that some may be.

If I had a mate who was a lawyer or a plumber, would I engage them professionally without expecting free or discounted service? Of course I would.

I knew this example would come up.

You would pay them. Would they demand it? There’s a difference. Maybe they would. I’ve always offered my professional services to friends free of charge. But folks who aren’t friends get my bill…and I follow up. That doesn’t mean if a friend offers me something for my professional service I don’t take it. I do. But I don’t ask or expect it. For a friend.

With the escorts who wanted me to know they were friends, all I can say is as long as money and gifts flowed their way, they were tangentially attentive “off the clock,” and when we were together they were very…assuming. Both of these so-called “friends” who are escorts went MIA after sharing with them that my mother died of COVID and that’s why my communication and attention to them had suffered. So…friends? Meh. No. They manipulated my feelings and I was duped.

Admit it. Learn from it. Don’t repeat it. 

14 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

or do you voluntarily take a pay cut

I am “the boss,” so…

And I was the one who proposed to the board four years ago that I take a 40% salary cut to keep the company solvent. I have the best job in the world (for me) and have been and would be paid less than my education level and experience level should dictate because I love my job so much. So to talk about doing work just for the pay, for me, is a tad foreign. I understand there are folks out there who do that, and that I’m fortunate that I have a job like this, but it’s really 100% true.

There’s a difference between an occupation and a vocation. I believe I am paid, fortunately, to live my vocation.

2 hours ago, DapperGent said:

satisfaction is what we pay for no?

It is. It’s disappointing when we end up paying and aren’t satisfied…Especially disappointing if we pay a premium. At a certain point, there’s a diminishing return on investment for satisfaction. I don’t need to pay a premium just because some guy has done porn; in fact, my experience with guys who’ve done more than several porn shoots (not “big” names, but still) has been more the more entitled crowd. The guys who are “just” escorts have been much more down to earth and less caught up in their own glam. At this point, I’m not interested in paying for a porn star. He won’t be as gloriously manicured and stage lit when we’re together anyhow. 

15 minutes ago, cany10011 said:

It's nicer if they dispense 100s and 50s... can't carry such a thick wad in my slim pants. Ruins the silhouette. 

 

You mean we won’t mistake it for a different bulge or augmentation? 😆 

I have to call my bank if I want to take more than $500 out of the ATM! 

You really have to be offering me something outstanding for me to countenance rates like that. 

4 hours ago, mike carey said:

Well, his profile says he's a bottom, so perhaps not!

I even looked for that…And didn’t see it. It must’ve been because it was late. That does add a little nuance to that puzzle.

Still…has anyone met him?

5 hours ago, Rod Hagen said:

I agree, haggling sucks.  Pick a price and stick to it.

If you’ll take $1200/night, say so and don’t budge from it. Same way if you’re willing to pay $2000/night.

4 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

but ask yourself the question: would the meeting happen if you weren’t paying?  Perhaps it might, perhaps it might not but we really don’t want to contemplate that too hard because it’s going to let daylight in upon magic. 

That’s really the point I was trying to make with a lot of words. The meeting 100% wouldn’t be happening if I weren’t paying.

I’ve escorts, two actually, tell me they consider me a friends. Friends don’t fuck friends for money. I’ve learned that. 

Tsk tsk.

@nycboi– You must learn. The escort denizens deserve it! They’re entitled to. You should be happily handing your money at $400/hr over to them. If not more!

You’ve asked a forbidden question. You’ll be told if he can get $400/hr, it’s not too much. Just like Jeff Bezos making his fortune while Amazon workers can’t pay for basic necessities. Bezos can get it, so it’s not too much. 

https://rent.men/MascColombianBot
 

Has anyone met this guy? His ad says basically nothing and unless I’m missing something, “bot” hardly sounds like a real (legit) guy…

I wear what fits. My options are limited.

Anonymity.