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Now that I didn’t know. Thanks for the info @uclablueyes I first heard about Bryan years ago from a now deceased poster, Expat (aka SFJeff). He was keen on male butts and enjoyed rimming them for a long time. He told me Bryan met his exacting standards. Of course, I’ve no idea whether Bryan and his butt are still in great shape. It was a long time ago.

Totally agree @Trick I wouldn’t want to spend 3 days with a stranger in case there was no chemistry or his personal habits irritated me (just as mine might irritate him). That was my experience over the years @nycman I like to date nice guys, first for a session, then an overnight stay, before a weekend or an overseas trip. I was generous and had lots of fun with several hot young men on various trips as I'd first ask if there was some place or activity they’d enjoy (European city, diving in the Caribbean, skiing in the Alps etc). Even so, one muscleboy-bottom became hard to please on our last trip (sulking because on a trip to get Winter sun, it was cloudy at the beach) and said “this is work for me”. I sympathised - saying Yes, it’s why you’re staying at a luxury resort you couldn’t otherwise afford - and paid him the agreed fee, no tip.

I’m not bothered by your critical observation @xyz48B. I do my own thinking about profiles/adverts and I ignore the stupidities of others. I like to feel that working guys, if not “new”, are at least “fresh”. Similarly I enjoy thinking that they’re excited by the prospect of doing business with me. It’s part of why I like younger men. I can more easily maintain the fiction that they’re new to male-to-male sex and I’m initiating a virgin 😎

I truly enjoy the BFE so for me, it’s fresh white bedlinen every time I had a date. I find it pleasing in much the same way as I find it erotic for a tanned muscleboy to sport a pair of tight white briefs in my bed. If the guy was going to be topped while flat on his back, I would put a pillow under his butt and cover the pillow with a fresh hand-towel. I always preferred my guys to swallow my load too, so there was very rarely any mishap.

More than fair IMHO

I agree. My brief encounter with MB was this… Just over 3 years ago, at a film festival screening of “Papi Chulo”, I’d chosen seats in the first row but to the side where 4 seats were separated. The other two seats were empty but just as the lights dimmed, Matt Bomer came through the exit door and sat next to us. I was shocked that in reality MB is much better looking than he seems to be on film.

Well said @nycman For me, the lack of interaction meant it was unerotic. Reno seemed to be a little into it, while Leo just looked bored throughout. Given Leo changes his surname often, maybe Leo Lacklustre could be his new moniker 😐

Various recent travellers to Brazil have reported (on this site and on gayguides.com) that the rate is R150-200 currently. As ever, the rate will depend on how well you negotiate, what you require and whether you’re trying to hire a “gym-god”.

Well @friendofsheila Reno has yet to acquire an exotic animal as a pet - IIRC Hawn had an African hyena - but he certainly has the same lust for attention.

My view @xyz48B is that it would have been better to state in your original post…”I’m not looking for advice or helpful suggestions. I just want to vent”. Then I and others would not have bothered to reply and tried to be of help. I have one further observation - and I apologize in advance if you find it not helpful - but in this thread (and others where you’ve posted similarly) you are very detailed in describing what you feel you lack in your life and what you want/don’t want. I wonder if you are personally inflexible and too rigid in your thinking? Perhaps if you were more open to possibilities, you might find what you seek.

Thanks for the link @KrisParr It’s always good to witness how Leo maintains his avowed ‘straight’ status 😊

That’s happened to me several times over the years @xyz48B It was certainly the case with my current (much younger) partner and with 4 of my previous boyfriends/romances. I’m old now but this was mainly when I was in my 50s. Guys have told me I’m a kind and interesting man. I’m confident and I have a wide range of interests. I ‘cured’ myself of shyness (at age 17) by making myself talk to everyone I met. Many people respond well and enjoy conversation. My advice FWIW is to do voluntary work. Join and support charities and gay groups that interest you. I’ve met a lot of young people that way, and often being older is what interests them. They enjoy having an older man listen to them and take their opinions/ideas seriously. Also I really like the suggestion of a ‘killer wardrobe’ by @nycman and endorsed by @KrisParr. I know you said you “don’t have a shabby wardrobe for going out” but…would a good friend of yours (man or woman) honestly say that you dress stylishly? Admittedly this is something I feel strongly about @xyz48B I’m old but I don’t want to be invisible, so I always dress smartly to leave the house. Over the years, I’ve had compliments (on the street and in restaurants) about how I’m dressed from straight men and women as well as gay men. Yet I have a friend of many years who complains along the lines that you do. He is rich but he will not spend money on himself. He wears clothes from years ago, even though his physical shape has changed. Despite my urging, he will not buy new smart clothes or even get a new bespoke suit made. He considers me to be extravagant as last year I had a new tuxedo made (tho I only go to maybe 6 black-tie dinners a year).

True. I was out from a young age. And it was perfectly natural: we were both preppies.

It is a great song @Charlie. I’ve always liked the lyrics by Blane (Martin was the composer). I’m very fond of the song. I first heard it in full many years ago, when it was sung at a party by a dashing young teacher at Williams College. He finished it by standing in front of me. How could I resist? 😎

The English version is attributed to a famous cricketer who, being teased in the changing room about his big butt, said “You need a big hammer to drive a big nail”

Interesting thread @uclablueyes Are you reminiscing or just thinking about ‘guys who got away’? I was introduced to Greg years ago by a mutual friend at the Abbey. IIRC Greg was then a personal trainer. My friend suggested that Greg was available (then) as a working guy, but I was deterred by certain things Greg had said (made me feel it might endanger my good health). He certainly is now prolific as a porn provider. As for this, I recall two very pleasurable encounters with Scott Adler who lived nearby. Presumably Scott was also a near-neighbour to you?

Just my 2 cents…I agree with @nycman about Athens and Mykonos but disagree about Santorini. My views on Athens date from 2004 (the Olympics) when I toured with an old friend based there, who’s a fluent Greek speaker. It was tiring to stay alert to all the attempted rip-offs. My most recent experiences of Mykonos and Santorini were in 2018 (so pre-pandemic). Mykonos is wildly overpriced; think more expensive than the South of France or St Barth’s in high season. I enjoyed Santorini, thinking to myself that it was a one-time visit. My much younger partner enjoyed the overall trip (we went on a Seabourn cruise) but he surprised me later by saying ‘Never again’ about Santorini.

There’s no such thing as a “going rate”. And I must say I’m perplexed @xyz48B by your response to @goosh69’s answer to your earlier question. It’s a process to find a boyfriend and it’s not as simple as hiring a guy for a date. I was on Seeking some years ago and it worked out well for me. I had a lot of messages and before it became serious, I took the contact with guys offsite using WhatsApp and email. I had numerous dates with a series of attractive young men. Some had inflated ideas of what their company was ‘worth’ but I’d argue that those who are serious (about meeting an older man, and wanting more than a date) were realistic in their demands. I invited a lot of guys to dinner and a few stayed for breakfast. I also took the most promising guys on trips for a long weekend at first, then overseas. Over time, I must have spent thousands. But I have money to spare, and I had a great time with some handsome young men with nice bodies so I don’t regret my spending. But if you must have a specific figure @xyz48B I’d say that Seeking and a ‘sugar-baby’ are not for you unless you have a spare $25-50k a year to spend on this process.

Let’s hope it leads to @NYCgymfitNEW having an affectionate and very stiff “good time”.

Wow, he is very tall and big @ross06 I wonder how many tall clients there might be. For a few years, I was friendly with a similar blond giant who was a power bottom. After the first time I topped him (he was 6ft 4 and 200lbs), I felt like a successful mountaineer.

I really don’t want to think of him as a “member of our tribe”. I much prefer to see him as a raging heterosexual who slept with a lot of pretty, stupid and greedy women.

I’m sure the ‘Visit PV tourism office’ would applaud this thread…but the OP is asking about working men - seeking BFE with uncut tops. Surely some posters here can help him?

I only saw him dance a couple of times. (Baryshnikov was my favourite, “must-see” dancer) I spoke to Nureyev in the sauna, just ’small talk’, but he seemed happy to engage. Strangely both times, he was sitting alone. He had a good body and was well-hung so I didn’t understand why he wasn’t approached more.

I have no opinion on your preference @WilliamM but Nureyev certainly had an impressive cock. I encountered him naked, twice in a sauna (once in London, once in Paris).

You’re right @purplekow that is the easy option. I find it intriguing, however, that so rarely does the older man do that once the relationship turns sour. In this regard, I think especially of the ex-chief of BP, John Browne. Shortly before he was due to retire from BP, news emerged in the media of his escort-boyfriend. The young man had returned to Canada and being short of funds, he was interested in the offer by a major newspaper to pay for his ‘story’. Instead of helping him, Browne took legal action to prevent publication. In the course of this, Browne was found to have lied to the Court. He had to resign in disgrace from various boards, forfeited millions in stock options and bonus pay from BP etc. Yet if he had helped the young man to make a new life in Canada (by renting an apartment for him, giving him an allowance for a year, paying his tuition fees etc), it would have cost him only a few thousand.