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Don’t say “sorry” @Dchan In my view, you’re not asking enough questions. My answer, not his: Yes because it’s easy money…if a gay guy wants to suck me off or just gets pounded in the ass by me You can ask but what do you do if he does not comply? If he cleans his teeth after smoking and uses mouthwash, you may not notice it. Whether it helps is your decision and yours only. Personally I’d be more concerned about his limitations and saying ‘Kissing/Depends’ would be a deal-breaker for me. Have you politely discussed your specific desires and wishes with him in advance of your date?

Not at all. You’d be completely safe PROVIDED you do nothing that could be deemed gay. I’m thinking of the European guy who, walking through a busy bar, brushed against the butt of another man. Displeasure was voiced, police summoned and the European was arrested and jailed. Heterosexual couples kissing on the beach have at times also been arrested.

He never advertised so he didn’t view himself as an escort 😎 We see each other very occasionally now “for old times sake”. He’s still handsome and has a great body…but strangely has never found a boyfriend.

Yes. I’ve managed that a few times. One of my favourite positions for topping is missionary. I like to interlace my fingers with those of the bottom, and then pin his arms down above his head as I pump his butt. It’s a great visual when the bottom has no control and reaches orgasm and cums all over his abs. Once I had a weekend date with a guy from LA. He’s the most prolific hands-free ‘cummer’ I’ve ever seen. One morning, I was topping him before breakfast and I hadn’t pounded him for long when he started to orgasm like a fountain. My favourite bottom tho is an English muscleboy. Blond and with a perfect body, he was my ‘friend with benefits’ for some years (I put him through his university studies and professional qualification). He not only came hands-free when being topped, but he also came hands-free when he was sucking me off. As my load hit the back of his throat, he would orgasm without even touching himself! When I saw this the first time and asked him about it, he said he couldn’t control himself; he loved sucking cock and he loved the taste of my cum. I think that’s when I fell in love with him.

I hope @robberbaron4u that by “dealing with”, you mean you’re consulting with a good criminal lawyer who can advise on this problem? I doubt you’d be called to testify. But Federal charges could follow. I’m sure you’re smart enough not to lie to or mislead the Federal agent - the electronic record of his flights and who paid would still be available. Perhaps you can evidence that he was just a friend whom you invited over to stay for a week.

I recall that you’ve speculated about Dubai and muscleboys before, @Unicorn I’ve no idea why you’re so fascinated by the lives of those men, whose photos you jerk-off to. @pubic_assistance is quite correct: money is the key. Certainly, I know the brother of an Emir is gay. I guess muscleboys, personal trainers and models may get lured by the prospect of big money from closeted Arabs…but the smart and rich Arabs play abroad in Europe and the US, rather than at home.

Run, don’t walk…away from him

IMO @robberbaron4u is correct. If this is a genuine idea, rather than a piece of complete nonsense, start crossing the globe yourself @moothrough There is no “regular arrangement” and there is no “usual practice”. Certainly, if you are very rich and already have a house in a desirable location, you could invite escorts. You only have to pay for their business-class flights and offer an upfront flat fee of $10,000 to the men you fancy. This idea reminds me of the scam where some Middle Eastern guys would offer large sums to escorts to fly to Dubai for a “special party”. Strangely, there were always difficulties with the advance payments but they always offered later reimbursement.

If I may, as a client in the past, comment, I’d say you definitely did NOT have a date scheduled @NYCgymfitNEW Otherwise, why did the provider query it? In these circumstances I would pay NOTHING to the provider. My only small criticism of you is that you might have responded to the query straightaway, saying Sorry, my plans are being changed by my boss so I cannot confirm yet. I still hope to see you if I’m able to be there. I wouldn’t worry about the provider’s anger. It seems to me that possibly he was taking his business-frustration with others out on you.

The US, Australia and the UK. I first approached a salesman and said we were unsure about the size. I explained I would pay for a small and a medium of each product in any event but we needed to try them on. If it was a good fit, I would then make a bulk purchase. No-one ever objected and we did our shopping.

I’m shocked @mike carey, shocked! You talk of comfort while I talk of the allure of a muscleboy in skimpy expensive briefs or jockstrap. Also, you are depriving yourself of the considerable pleasure of shopping with a handsome young man. The goal is to please him so that in turn he pleases you by looking even more attractive. You also talk of chain stores, such as Bonds perhaps? (Non-Australians may need to know this is similar to Target). On my 3rd visit to Australia, I met a very nice muscleboy: in bed, I told him to get “rid of those” when he undressed to his Bonds briefs. Afterwards, I took him shopping to David Jones (similar to Barneys) where we purchased Emporio Armani & Versace briefs for him - I recall that back then the underwear in Australia cost about 2.5x the US price! The muscleboy expressed his appreciation frequently during the rest of my stay, and he later appeared on the cover of DNA.

Oh Yes. Many times. I’ve always had an underwear fetish. When I undress a nice guy for the first time, I prefer to find that he’s sporting tight white briefs. When I was single, I dated quite a few handsome muscleboys. Taking them shopping for good and expensive underwear was a great pleasure for me. We’d discuss the merits of various brands and the fit of briefs versus jockstraps. On a couple of occasions, in the changing rooms of department stores, I got so aroused that the muscleboy gave me a blowjob. Most often, we had an erotic time at home: I’d insist the young guy model his new underwear for me, and I’d get so thick with lust that we had to go to bed.

Thanks for this. I’ll be sure to watch the documentary. Without your detailed post, it would not have appealed to me.

Welcome here @slvkguy. I too have read your comments on the other site. I feel there are helpful people on both sites, so your informative reports will be welcome here.

It was an academic study I read. Researchers had interviewed guys who frequented and dressed appropriately for leather bars. It was a survey of IIRC 250-300 self-defined leather fetishists who were prepared to answer questions on their education, occupation, other interests etc.

Most people in a bar or a club are pleasant and nice, in my view. And to answer the question you pose in the thread-title, it’s usually easy to tell me if a guy isn’t interested. You have to venture some conversation, smile and pay him a small compliment (Never tell a real looker that he’s handsome - he knows. And never tell a hot guy guy that you think he’s hot - he’s heard that many times before) If he smiles in acknowledgment but doesn’t respond to you @nycboi, move on as he’s not interested. That’s a difficult arena in which to meet a guy. Perhaps you could try talking to guys in bars etc to increase your confidence and become comfortable with small talk? How did you discover this? It’s not been my experience. Unless you engage and have a good conversation, you can’t possibly know this about a man. I’d rather you focus on being the best possible version of yourself. Make sure you’re very well-groomed and nicely-dressed before you go out. You don’t need dazzling conversation skills, but you do need to smile and be approachable. Everyone typically responds well to a flattering question. Years ago, I once picked up a leather-clad hunk, such as you describe, in a club - I simply said to him that I’d recently read a psychological study which found that men with a leather fetish were of above average intelligence and tended to have intellectual interests. I asked if he agreed? He laughed and confessed he was a lecturer in Romance studies at an Ivy League college.

I know nothing about Aaron Carter, but this thread caused me to read a little about him. I found that he had declared himself to be “California sober”. I read further on the meaning of that term. It’s used to describe people who give up their use of hard drugs and just continue to use marijuana. Given that marijuana nowadays is so much stronger than 40 years ago (when the majority of posters were undergraduates and presumably experimented), I’m staggered that continued use of marijuana can be considered “sober”.

You know him better than anyone @Coolwave35. To me, he sounds like a pushy little bottom who needs to be reminded you’re in charge. Tell him you’ll do what you want to him, depending on your mood. Tell him you’ll put your load where you want, once you decide. Tell him what to wear, and be very specific. For example: if you want him in a jockstrap, specify the colour and make; if you want him in white briefs, specify low-slung jeans to show the brand. if you want him to wear a shirt, specify the colour and the number of buttons he should leave open to show his pecs It might be very enjoyable to take your sub shopping 😉

No @Snbrd the OP did specify “department store”. So I can’t relate how 8 years ago I went to a gay-clothing store on Oxford Street, Sydney… to buy a new Speedo. It was quiet and the cute assistant suggested I try on different coloured Speedos. He walked into the fitting room and got on his knees to “check the fit”

Yes. I had two such muscleboy-bottoms, each for a few years. Both were inveterate gym-goers, had a submissive streak and were dedicated to pleasing a man. Unlike you @Coolwave35, I used to schedule the meetings as I enjoyed the anticipation and slowly getting ready for our date. Yes. After each session, in that post-coital glow, I’d talk over with the muscleboy what he’d liked most and what I’d really enjoyed, and we’d discuss what we might do next time. I’d be quite directive and detailed beforehand, as I found being dominant during the date isn’t necessarily enough for a good sub. I’d tell my muscleboy how I wanted him to be dressed for our date - sometimes causal, sometimes smart formal dress as typically I like undressing my boy. Also I have an underwear fetish and so I’d specify briefs or jockstrap for the date. There would be a fun reward and a fun penalty: for compliance, a load in his mouth; for disobedience, being stripped naked and spanked. Sometimes I’d get a few dildos/vibrators lined up. One sub really liked me using these on him first, whereas the other didn’t (he told me later) but liked how I just did what I wanted to his ass. Both muscleboys loved being tied up. I bought various restraints and I’d make that a “special treat” for them. (It takes time and energy to tie a guy up!) And I’d mix up the atmosphere for our dates. I might be romantic: undress them lovingly at the start but leave walking around naked while I was fully clothed, making drinks and chatting to them. Or I might be harsh: have the muscleboy strip and drop to his knees to suck me off straightaway, before I’d even greeted him. Another time, I’d use dirty talk sparingly: ask the sub why I should feed him my load or why they deserved to be fucked hard; tell them where I was going to deposit my load (on their tongue, on their abs or all over their face). Sometimes I took photos and gave them copies - both subs liked that.

…I’d say at least $10million in liquid assets nowadays

I recommend to anyone interested that they read a short book “Food Rules: An Eater’s Manual” by Michael Pollan. It’s a simple and easy read in under an hour. His advice is very pithy. It could be summarised as Eat food your grandparents would recognise; Mainly plants; Don’t eat too much.

Physical beauty has always attracted economic power. When I was single and younger - 20 years ago, so long before the rise of OF - I had affairs with 3 personal trainers. One became a regular fuckbuddy and the other two were brief but enjoyable affairs. To answer the OP’s question, I think the key element is to establish a friendly rapport first, smile and be friendly. I worked out with 3 different trainers and I was open about being gay and single. Trainers often talk among themselves about their clients, and some like to gossip. People in the gym generally regarded me as a nice guy, so that helped. Above all, be discreet in your approach so that a personal trainer can turn you do without any offence being caused. When I was interested in a guy, I often asked a fellow trainer about him (something along the lines of ‘Is he gay-friendly?’ or ‘Is he dating anybody?’) If there was a positive response, I made a point of working out when it was quiet in the gym. When I saw the guy, I’d ask him if he wanted to get a coffee or lunch with me. That way, if he turned me down, all he could complain about to others was “that gay guy invited me for a coffee”.

You have good taste @TexasTop He seems an attractive young man. If you’re in WeHo, why not take him for a test-drive?

I completely agree. I don’t mean to be harsh @Coolwave35 but… Did Bottom promise you fidelity and monogamy? Did you promise Bottom that he would be your only boy? Did you tell Bottom that you wanted him to be exclusive? Did you promise Bottom that you would pay all his bills even when you were not together? Earlier you mentioned how you admired Bottom’s drive and initiative, eg his making money trading on Amazon. How is his resourcefulness on Fire Island different? It seems to me that maybe you had some romantic notions about him. Bottom is a lovely, fit young man who does what you like in bed. He wanted to enjoy the Summer and he met other guys who, like you, were happy to reward him for his company. Having successfully navigated the social whirl of Fire Island, Bottom was able to enjoy spending time with other lovely, fit young men. You’re not naive @Coolwave35 but I wonder if there isn’t some jealousy that Bottom was able to have a great time without you? When you were not there to orchestrate his activities? From what you’ve written, it doesn’t seem to me that Bottom misled you in any way. You had a thoroughly good but transactional relationship with him. I feel you overreacted in cancelling your other planned trips with him - that to me seems like “cutting your nose off to spite your face”. I’d urge you to be the bigger, more mature man here. Call him up and tell him you really want to see him again and make a date!