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This year is only a few weeks old, but this post must surely earn the best ‘non sequitur’ of 2023 award 😎

The guy of the same name as Calvin Klein’s ex?!

Have I missed some debate or controversy? Why @robberbaron4u did you start this thread?

So sorry you had this experience @ttm269 My advice is Do NOT pay him any more $. It’s very unlikely that he will threaten you further, but if he does, stay calm and say that you will report him to the Police for extortion. You acted correctly IMO. View the experience this way. Now you know to meet a guy (hire And non-hire) in a public place first, before inviting them to your apartment. why physical $ cash (not an online payment) is best. how to get a jerk out of your home - you prioritised your personal safety!

It may not be odd at all, if he’s a young man or not so experienced as an escort. You’d have to ask him directly @ericwinters It could easily be that he has certain wishes or restrictions. For instance, the lower rate for 3 hours may be because other clients have bought him dinner as part of the date. The overnight rate seems OK but first check what he expects to happen on an overnight date. He may have stayed over with nice clients who first take him to dinner, or possibly with clients who allowed him 6 hours to sleep. This reminds me of when I had several dates and lots of fun with a blond muscleboy (24, who was a great bottom) so I asked about his rate for an overnight date. I was stunned when he quoted the equivalent of 4x the usual rate (it was years ago but then he asked for $4000). I carefully explained my plans for us: full sex before dinner, I’d take him to a good restaurant for dinner, on return home, we’d have full but shorter play together, then sleep for 6-7 hours, on waking, he’d give oral to completion before I’d take him out for breakfast. He immediately said his rate would be $1000. I asked why he’d earlier said $4000 and it transpired that he’d only done 1 overnight date before. That was with a client in his 20s who was equally fit and topped him 6x during the night! The blond muscleboy told me he was exhausted and barely slept. My plans suited him very well, and hence the reasonable rate.

Quite right @JUWS Tho Bette never sang there(at least, not to my knowledge), I had forgotten St Marks - in its heyday, it was hugely popular. I didn't use the Baths (as quick, anonymous sex never worked for me) but a nervous friend asked me to go with him - to my surprise, that evening I met separately 2 guys who also worked on Wall St then.

Yes I saw her perform there in the early/mid-70s. I went there with 3 friends (we were all in black tie) and it was quite a surreal experience, mingling with many near-naked men while she sang (rather well as I recall). You’re right…a small thing but its full name was the Continental Baths.

Totally agree. Yes, you must learn to obey (and not ignore) your instincts. I’ve played with numerous men in 3somes (and some 4gies) and had a lot of fun. My rule for personal safety has always been “First play with each man singly” before setting up a group date.

Thanks @CuriousByNature I hadn’t seen the sad news. He was a remarkable and prolific songwriter. His songs were the backdrop to my youth. My favourite was ‘Anyone Who Had A Heart’.

Thanks for this thread @12is12 Tho I’ve been to a couple of strip clubs, I’ve never had a lapdance. I found the provider’s advice, posted above, intriguing. I never knew the interaction was as limited as described, and the sexual element seems non-existent. I can’t imagine wasting my money on a lapdance or several. Admittedly it was years ago, but I had much more interaction with a gogo muscleboy (a ‘barback’ who also danced) in a Key West bar. I tipped him $20 after his dance, then spent time chatting and bought him drinks. Outside the bar, he asked if he could sleep over at my place - I said Yes if you’re a good cocksucker. We were on a dark street and he promptly demonstrated his excellent skill.

The NYC guy charged in line with (then) top-end rates. We used to meet for drinks before, and I once took him to dinner after, a date…but he treated social time as “off the clock”. The LA man had a much more variable pricing policy. We went on vacation for 10 days and I gave him $5000, while we had a couple of long weekends in places that he chose and there was no ‘fee’ (but obviously I paid all the travel and related costs). We had dinner together often, but sometimes he paid - especially if there were lots of gay diners as he enjoyed subverting their ideas about a very handsome young man having dinner with an older man.

As I recall, Tony’s response was unexpected. He claimed the escort had mistaken someone else for him. And to return to the original point of this thread, in 2005-2015 I dated 2 fit, young men who were actors (in TV movies) but supplemented their incomes by escorting. One was in NYC, the other in LA but both told me the same story of sporadic work/income versus continuing expenses. Both operated their supplemental business the same way: getting prospects by referral from existing clients, interviewing new men before meeting, discreet in public but good fun in private, careful about being photographed etc.

I wonder if he was thinking of an established ‘agency’ (which some years ago also offered sex-on-the-premises) called American Boys which was based in an apartment near Plaza de Universidad

IIRC years ago, there was a big-dicked blond escort (working name of Ken Ryker?) who inadvertently outed him. He revealed publicly that a regular client of his was Tony D.

Nor did he, it seems 😎

Terrible news. It only confirms me in my precaution of having no banking apps on my phone - I have them on another device that always stays at home.

Just an aside but I had the same experience in a very smart part of Buenos Aires. It was on a busy street just before 1pm when I intervened in a street robbery of an old woman. Some people on the street watched while I tackled the robber, but many others went inside buildings where they and the porters continued to watch from indoors. No-one called the police or offered help afterwards.

That all seems sensible to me @Vegas_nw1982. I retired at 48 (so retired for 22 years) and I’ve enjoyed it hugely. It’s great to retire while you’re still relatively young, energetic and in good health. I would suggest some caution however. I put some capital aside as a ‘future medical expenses’ fund - it’s impossible to predict when/what illness may strike - and I prioritize staying in good health. Secondly I would estimate your own rate of inflation, rather than rely on the official figures - I spend a lot on travel, hotels and restaurants in normal times and I’ve noticed price increases way ahead of the published rate of inflation - and try to future-proof your living expenses.

Speaking as a retiree, I’m also well-placed like @Coolwave35 But unlike him, I’m now 70 and I have a younger boyfriend. If I were to become single again, it’s unlikely that I would find another attractive young man and so I’d consider hiring. My income exceeds my needs (and my capital is untouched) so financing would not be a problem. I feel retirees may fall into two camps. I’m still in the first - healthy, able to travel extensively and enjoy life fully - but as the years go by, I may be in the second camp - health conditions, possibly house-bound and not able to travel overseas easily or at all. I’ve noticed with older friends that it’s difficult to consume and spend more as you age. So perhaps the demand for personal services by retirees will increase markedly. I’m not sure, however, whether many younger men will market themselves to these potential clients.

Me too. It looks like a gay party. And the naked man with semi-erect cock reminds me of the former model, Jeff Tomsik, when he was young and playful.

When I hired, I’d always spell out exactly what I wanted. I’d do this first in a text or a brief phone call. My “coded language” was along these lines: I’d enjoy dating you. I’m looking for (day, time, location etc) I’m a lazy selfish top with a dominant streak; I enjoy French kissing (ie with tongue) and cuddling, and I like to be sucked off. I always use condoms for topping. I find it hot to unload in my man’s mouth, and really hot when he swallows my load. Are we fully compatible? Over the years, I recall only 1 guy (a popular escort in DC) refusing to discuss physical preferences over the phone. I politely declined and moved onto another guy with whom I was compatible. I also recall how numerous guys told me how refreshing it was to meet a guy who knew what he wanted and was clear and direct straightaway.

You have good taste @BOZO T CLOWN He has a very nice body. Maybe he will send you a face pic if you politely express your interest in dating him? I wonder though if you will have a ‘learning experience’ with him, and whether he will meet your needs….in that he doesn’t list his activities nor detail his interests.

More than ever, I think that this year it pays to be savvy - book well in advance, travel at less busy times on unpopular days of the week etc. I just booked using points 2x business class round trips East Coast-Europe in early Summer. And I’ve booked some flights within Europe for a little less than I paid in 2019 by choosing flights out of smaller airports and travelling midweek.

From what you’ve written @TyrEngineer I don’t understand why you hesitate to move on. Unless you live in an area where there are few available men, there’s no reason to accept being badly treated. I’ve never eaten in a restaurant where the maitre d’ said ‘We have no prices on the menu as we tell you the price of the meal when you’ve finished’. Similarly, when I talk to a guy to establish that we are compatible, I learn about his pricing - activities matter to me, money matters to him - and I only agree to ‘a la carte’ pricing in restaurants.

I love this exchange of laconic comments on this working guy’s performance. It seems sensible to conclude that Your Mileage May Vary.