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Thanks @CuriousByNature I hadn’t seen the sad news. He was a remarkable and prolific songwriter. His songs were the backdrop to my youth. My favourite was ‘Anyone Who Had A Heart’.

Thanks for this thread @12is12 Tho I’ve been to a couple of strip clubs, I’ve never had a lapdance. I found the provider’s advice, posted above, intriguing. I never knew the interaction was as limited as described, and the sexual element seems non-existent. I can’t imagine wasting my money on a lapdance or several. Admittedly it was years ago, but I had much more interaction with a gogo muscleboy (a ‘barback’ who also danced) in a Key West bar. I tipped him $20 after his dance, then spent time chatting and bought him drinks. Outside the bar, he asked if he could sleep over at my place - I said Yes if you’re a good cocksucker. We were on a dark street and he promptly demonstrated his excellent skill.

The NYC guy charged in line with (then) top-end rates. We used to meet for drinks before, and I once took him to dinner after, a date…but he treated social time as “off the clock”. The LA man had a much more variable pricing policy. We went on vacation for 10 days and I gave him $5000, while we had a couple of long weekends in places that he chose and there was no ‘fee’ (but obviously I paid all the travel and related costs). We had dinner together often, but sometimes he paid - especially if there were lots of gay diners as he enjoyed subverting their ideas about a very handsome young man having dinner with an older man.

As I recall, Tony’s response was unexpected. He claimed the escort had mistaken someone else for him. And to return to the original point of this thread, in 2005-2015 I dated 2 fit, young men who were actors (in TV movies) but supplemented their incomes by escorting. One was in NYC, the other in LA but both told me the same story of sporadic work/income versus continuing expenses. Both operated their supplemental business the same way: getting prospects by referral from existing clients, interviewing new men before meeting, discreet in public but good fun in private, careful about being photographed etc.

I wonder if he was thinking of an established ‘agency’ (which some years ago also offered sex-on-the-premises) called American Boys which was based in an apartment near Plaza de Universidad

IIRC years ago, there was a big-dicked blond escort (working name of Ken Ryker?) who inadvertently outed him. He revealed publicly that a regular client of his was Tony D.

Nor did he, it seems 😎

Terrible news. It only confirms me in my precaution of having no banking apps on my phone - I have them on another device that always stays at home.

Just an aside but I had the same experience in a very smart part of Buenos Aires. It was on a busy street just before 1pm when I intervened in a street robbery of an old woman. Some people on the street watched while I tackled the robber, but many others went inside buildings where they and the porters continued to watch from indoors. No-one called the police or offered help afterwards.

That all seems sensible to me @Vegas_nw1982. I retired at 48 (so retired for 22 years) and I’ve enjoyed it hugely. It’s great to retire while you’re still relatively young, energetic and in good health. I would suggest some caution however. I put some capital aside as a ‘future medical expenses’ fund - it’s impossible to predict when/what illness may strike - and I prioritize staying in good health. Secondly I would estimate your own rate of inflation, rather than rely on the official figures - I spend a lot on travel, hotels and restaurants in normal times and I’ve noticed price increases way ahead of the published rate of inflation - and try to future-proof your living expenses.

Speaking as a retiree, I’m also well-placed like @Coolwave35 But unlike him, I’m now 70 and I have a younger boyfriend. If I were to become single again, it’s unlikely that I would find another attractive young man and so I’d consider hiring. My income exceeds my needs (and my capital is untouched) so financing would not be a problem. I feel retirees may fall into two camps. I’m still in the first - healthy, able to travel extensively and enjoy life fully - but as the years go by, I may be in the second camp - health conditions, possibly house-bound and not able to travel overseas easily or at all. I’ve noticed with older friends that it’s difficult to consume and spend more as you age. So perhaps the demand for personal services by retirees will increase markedly. I’m not sure, however, whether many younger men will market themselves to these potential clients.

Me too. It looks like a gay party. And the naked man with semi-erect cock reminds me of the former model, Jeff Tomsik, when he was young and playful.

When I hired, I’d always spell out exactly what I wanted. I’d do this first in a text or a brief phone call. My “coded language” was along these lines: I’d enjoy dating you. I’m looking for (day, time, location etc) I’m a lazy selfish top with a dominant streak; I enjoy French kissing (ie with tongue) and cuddling, and I like to be sucked off. I always use condoms for topping. I find it hot to unload in my man’s mouth, and really hot when he swallows my load. Are we fully compatible? Over the years, I recall only 1 guy (a popular escort in DC) refusing to discuss physical preferences over the phone. I politely declined and moved onto another guy with whom I was compatible. I also recall how numerous guys told me how refreshing it was to meet a guy who knew what he wanted and was clear and direct straightaway.

You have good taste @BOZO T CLOWN He has a very nice body. Maybe he will send you a face pic if you politely express your interest in dating him? I wonder though if you will have a ‘learning experience’ with him, and whether he will meet your needs….in that he doesn’t list his activities nor detail his interests.

More than ever, I think that this year it pays to be savvy - book well in advance, travel at less busy times on unpopular days of the week etc. I just booked using points 2x business class round trips East Coast-Europe in early Summer. And I’ve booked some flights within Europe for a little less than I paid in 2019 by choosing flights out of smaller airports and travelling midweek.

From what you’ve written @TyrEngineer I don’t understand why you hesitate to move on. Unless you live in an area where there are few available men, there’s no reason to accept being badly treated. I’ve never eaten in a restaurant where the maitre d’ said ‘We have no prices on the menu as we tell you the price of the meal when you’ve finished’. Similarly, when I talk to a guy to establish that we are compatible, I learn about his pricing - activities matter to me, money matters to him - and I only agree to ‘a la carte’ pricing in restaurants.

I love this exchange of laconic comments on this working guy’s performance. It seems sensible to conclude that Your Mileage May Vary.

I sympathize @Tygerscent I guess you were feeling frustrated, but was it the shuttle bus or the aircraft seating that upset you? For years now, people have complained but they buy airline tickets primarily on price. The constant desire has been for lower prices. Luckily, in North America and Europe, safety standards have been maintained and are higher than ever. Otherwise, space for seating and the quality of catering have declined markedly. And during the pandemic, I warned friends to prepare themselves for much higher prices for flights. It seemed obvious to me that as pent-up demand for travel soared, airlines would seek to restore their profitability and rebuild their balance sheets. Capacity is limited. I’ve noticed already that for longhaul flights I’m paying 60-80% more than before the pandemic.

I never experienced this…as I refused to play along with the ‘game’. Years ago in Barcelona, I wanted to see a guy with a good reputation. A phone call at 7pm established we were fully compatible. I was in the centre of the city but he suggested I visit him, a 20 minute taxi-ride away, at 9pm. When I asked for his address, he gave me an approximate location and to call him again from outside “the corner cafe” at 9pm. I politely said I was serious about the date, but I wasn’t about to travel there and back across the city at night, to wait on a street corner.

I used to discuss hiring with two close friends (but one died a few years ago: he was Expat on here). It started when I was open about my love-life, and I discussed hiring. The surviving friend with whom I discuss this has a different take on life, and we enjoy a wide-ranging discussion on the business.

You’ve reacted better than I would have done @builder boy And I suspect you’re more easy-going than I would have been on such a long weekend. I would NEVER have allowed him to take a 6 hour nap and miss dinner. When I travelled with a muscleboy, I’d ALWAYS suggest a shower on arrival at the hotel. Then I’d want us to “break in” the hotel bed and “get fully reacquainted” straightaway. This had several benefits - it made sure we were both on the same page, it took care of my erection and the exercise gave me a good appetite for dinner. I always treated the muscleboy, aka my travel companion, politely and generously. But I remembered that it was work for him. It was important for me that my pleasure and his paid work meshed well together.

I’m sorry to read that you were so very badly treated @builder boy From reading your posts over the years, I know that you’re one of the ‘good guys’ here. My experience over the years is that you have to be VERY clear on extended dates as to your expectations - what you enjoy, what you want to do/have done to you, scheduling play-times and the frequency of play. I’ve only been disappointed once: it was a long weekend with a muscleboy I’d topped a few times. On the third day, after a great night out and terrific sex in bed, he revealed he suffered depression. That meant we had a dull and chaste (no-sex) last day together. I feel the key to a successful extended date is that BEFORE going on the extended date, you have several short sessions (where you establish sexual compatibility) and at least one overnight date (where you test his skills as a companion, discuss various topics and gain insight into his personality and character) .

You may not be his First Client @Islesguy but you could be “Next!” 😀

Very nicely put. I too enjoy the company of attractive young men. It’s not about sexual desire. They make engaging companions, have energy and intellectual curiosity about the world. They contrast well with some of my old friends whose views are now rather rigid and who are now unwilling to try new things.

When I was using the internet for dating, I assumed that everyone was shaving off 4 years from their true age. And for my pics, like those of everyone else, I chose the most flattering ones of me. I can believe that the “embellishment” of reality is much worse nowadays. Requesting recent accurate photos seems a reasonable safeguard against misrepresentation. FWIW only once in my internet dating days did I have to say “You look nothing like your pics” - the pics were of a young fit-bodied guy in his 20s; a chubby, balding guy in his 40s turned up - and so, as @guru68 suggests, I walked away