DrownedBoy

As always, the Japanese are ahead of us in thinking of stuff like that. Ai To Yokubou Wa Gakuen De (Yaoi) manga - Mangago

I think it only becomes a moral issue if the provider is in a position where he really can't refuse, and the client knows it. Like they need the money for food or don't have anywhere to stay. My opinion (not shared by everyone I know).

Got that one too. When he dropped to 450, I just said, "No, I don't like to haggle. You asked for 600, and I have to pass."

Fort Wayne is easily the most sexually repressed city I've ever visited around here (albeit this was back when I was in college). Lots of fundamentalist seminaries and such. One of my uncles wasted a perfectly good brain by "following his calling" there.

I have seen some RM who have an automated feature on their RentMen messenger. If anyone tries to contact them with it, it automatically responds with rates and a reminder to text them if you're interested.

Well the people saying he's "crazy" are people who only texted him, whereas others actually met him. Getting to be a tough competitive market out there.....

Yeah, tell me about it! Such different reviews! I think he had a break from escorting, because he's been in Chicago forever. I met him twice within, I think, the past 6 months. Easily the most intelligent and cultured escort I was able to meet and have a conversation with. Of course, I was more impressed with his mind than his body....which seems to be a factor here. EDIT: I should add that I don't generally hire escorts who mention their intelligence, as I'm admittedly shallow, and I've hired many "educated" escorts who seemed anything but. However, if his knowledge of the humanities is any indicator, this guy struck me as someone who received a humanistic education at a very good university.

A bit expensive for live porn, I think, if they're already hooked.

I don't know if it means anything, but many of providers I've met have given me a variation of this. Hopefully they're just trying to keep their boyfriends under their hat, but I've met a provider who seemed unable to sustain a relationship. I know since he treated me like a free therapist.

Translation: Thanks for the money, sucker.

I thought the same when someone said this. "You look attractive compared to most of my clients."

This has got to be the funniest provider name I ever saw. I would have paid for the laugh if he hadn't already delivered the punchline.

Ditto, but even that can be troublesome, as I mentioned awhile ago in some other thread. Once, in response to a request for my stats, I gave them the relevant ones - height/weight/age/etc. - but I declined to give my race. He insisted and told me that if I didn't give my ethnicity, I should find another provider. I did.

Just a reminder from my OP - we do have a lot of studies (ethnographic) on this area, but only from the provider PoV. They make interesting reading. You can find a LOT of these on the Internet; I found these 2 the best: Surviving the Streets of New York: Experiences of LGBTQ Youth, YMSM, and YWSW Engaged in Survival Sex (urban.org) Chicago_0.pdf (innovatingjustice.org) The NYC study really delved into the issue of race. One brutally honest quote from an interview with a provider:

Nice alliteration.

Yup. Occasionally I turn it on if I want a client to notice I was looking at him. However, that's also led to me getting unsolicited and rude propositions.

I usually use Tor for this, but I can no longer access RM through them. Thanks @maninsoma for the advice on how I should use Chrome on Windows. I saw rates for American providers, but they were out of date.

I'm seeing younger clients do this....another reason I'm preferring, more and more, escorts who are at least 30 years old. A few months ago, I hired some kid and we agreed to his price. When the appointment time came, he started whining, like a little baby, that he "deserved to see a picture of the man he was meeting." I cancelled on the spot.

Only as long as you don't mind all the side effects from the treatment. And dealing with the fact that, no matter how much science says undetectable = safe, you'll still be a pariah to many potential partners.

Does anyone think that if escorting was legalized in the U.S., problems like this will go away, or at least be less of a factor?

Especially when combined with a lowering of income.

That's why I listed Latinos in the top tier...

You shouldn't. At least not according to what I've seen. I won't give exact numbers and names, but it seems like there's an unspoken racial hierarchy. Casually, I'd say, from highest to lowest: 1. Caucasian and light skinned Latino 2. Black and dark skinned Latno 3. Asian Obviously, there are many other races and factors that go into it (muscle, looks, skills, personality). But I'd challenge anyone to say that Asian men are treated nicely on Grindr. Likewise, from conversations with providers, this seems to be how it is in the Midwest (California and New York are foreign countries to me). In case anyone thinks I'm trying to start a fight, I will give another confession from my past. Every high school has a pecking order, and I remember the racial order at mine was: 1. Northern European/Asian (there were very few of the last, but they tended to attend honors courses) 2. Chicago ethics (Italian , Irish, etc.). 3. Latinos / Black (again, very few of the latter) 4. Recent Eastern European immigrants Again, there are exceptions (I fell into #2 but attended honors courses). But there it was. Italians and Mexicans were always getting into fights. Mexicans would cruelly administer "citizenship tests" to newly arrived Polish kids. A black guy got beaten up for dating a white girl from my own neighborhood. The Latin Kings were still a concern (this was pre-00s). Unfortunately, it seems few people grew out of their high school mindsets. That transcends gender or sexuality. But I'd like to know who else sees these patterns.

Absolutely not. You've never met the guy, and you're sure you can get along for a week? Do you know what the conditions are for the week, and how much you'll do together? I once booked the exact thing with a regular I had been seeing for 2 years - a week vacation, costing a bit more than an overnight, I pay all expenses. It ended after two days. By mutual agreement we ended the vacation early, went our separate ways, never spoke of the details to anyone, and we will never speak to each other again.

@Danny-Darko , that was very funny. Your impression of a racist moron was spot on, and I'm sure we've all heard such nitwits use the exact phrases you poke fun of here. As OP, I should clarify that I can't see any change in this behavior - I have no illusions about human nature. 5 minutes on Grindr shows that. @DWnyc I know you don't agree with the phrase "that’s the way it is," but there's sharp limits on what anyone here can do.