GymGuy

If they don't advertise, how do you find them, acquire their name/contact info?  Curious to know.

I offered to look up a providers profile for someone here who was asking for help assessing it and have been receiving requests to do so for others DAILY now (some people haven't even said 'please') so I thought I would post a little 'how to assess and hire' guide and just send the link. 
Disclaimer - *none of this is fool-proof and there is always inherent risk in anything you do. You can walk outside and be struck by lightning today.  Please do not comment with 'whataboutisms' or tales of woe on this thread. I don’t care and I won’t read it. 
 
1. VPN
Use a VPN to view the rentmen site so you can read the text in the reviews. Pages of discussions of what VPN is best are on this site. I recommend Privado which is subscription based, but I use a VPN whenever I turn on my computer or phone.  There is a free site - nl.hideproxy.me that works however you must use Chrome browser on laptop. 
2. REVIEWS
Look at who has left the reviews. Check the client profiles. Did they open the account at a similar time to the provider, or have they been on rentmen for years? Have they left many reviews? Has one provider got 15 reviews but 7 are from the same person? Do they have lots of great reviews and then one bad one? Have a look at the person who left the bad reviews profile - has the person that left the bad review left lots of bad reviews for other guys too? 
Reach out and send a message to clients that have left reviews and ask some questions. Don't ask for a blow-by-blow account- just ask brief question that is relevant for you. eg. Does he have a nice place to host? Did he kiss?)  
Search the providers name here on Company of Men. If you find no threads - start a 411 thread and ask if anyone has experience. This is a GREAT way to see if a 'new' provider is actually a name changer, and just a new profile. This site is a cesspool at times, but it can also be a great resource. Help add to the resource. If you are interested, it's likely someone else is too! Please remember if someone posts a 411 thread about a guy who you don't like the look of - move on! no need to yuk on other peoples yum. 
How many reviews does this person have compared to how long they have been on the site. Keeping in mind – guys located in big cities will have more clients, reviews can only be left by premium members now, and so newer guys take a little longer to get some. Some guys only work this as a side hustle and also might not have as many reviews. 
3. PHOTOS
Have a look at when the photos were uploaded, are any recent? You can see the date added, there should be photos from at least this year. Does it look like any pics were massively photoshopped or changed?  Do they have at least 10 photos? 
If they have blurred face on their profile, are they willing to send via other means? For eg snapchat, whatsapp, facetime. If they are not willing to do this, it is a BIG RED FLAG.  
4. PNP
Does the provider list PNP? If so, what does that even mean?  My advice is to steer clear from providers, or people in general, who do hard drugs. If you like the look of the provider anyway, reach out ask 'what does PNP mean for you?' The results will vary. Some may say 'oh I like to sometimes take gummies' 'I like to do coke' 'I like to do Tina', 'I don't party but I don't mind if you do'. A good rule is: Only go with providers that do the same level of partying as you do yourself. 
OK SO YOU FINALLY CHOSE THE GUY YOU WANT TO MEET- NOW WHAT?
5. Messaging 
When reaching out - Be direct, polite and clear. Use this template - 
Hello, my name is (desired name) 
I'm in (desired city) and I would like to get together with you (Desired date and time) 
I'm interested in (incall/outcall) and doing (desired information) 
Don't message 'hi how are you?' and nothing else. While that may seem fine to message a friend or someone on a dating app, you wouldn't reach out to another service provider (hairdresser, doctor, cleaner, realtor, chef) and just wait for a reply to that. We don't have time to reply to every message that says "hey".
Please don't say 'I’m looking for fun.' 'I want to feel good.' 'I want to relax'. Its lame and it tells us nothing. Tell us exactly what you are interested in.  
If you use this template you WILL get a good response. Especially of you text it. 
 
6. READ. THE. PROFILE
It's extremely frustrating and annoying when 'clients' reach out and ask questions where the answer is clearly written on the profile. 'How tall are you?' "Do you host?' 'Are you cut or uncut' 'do you top' All of the stats, positions, likes and interests, current city + travel dates - there is a wealth of infomation on our profiles, it will save you time to have a quick read! 
Don't ever message and ask 'What are you into?'  It is not relevant and reeks of someone wanting jerk off material. For providers, it is a huge red flag when ‘clients’ message this.
 
7. Communicate what you are looking for. 
Say what you want. We are not mind readers. We have heard it ALL I assure you. 
 
8. Deposits. 
Deposits. To be or not to be - that is the question! Loathe to hear anyone else opinion on this - don't message me I literally do not care what you have to say- I'm just giving my take as I have been asked about it many times now, that doesn't mean I am asking for yours. 
1. New providers should not be asking for deposits.  
2. You should not be sending a deposit to someone who has no reviews. 
3. Same day in-call appointments should not require a deposit.
4. We do receive a huge amount of fake bookings and if you are wanting an outcall - providing an uber if asked is not unreasonable for a new provider to ensure it is YOU who is not a scammer/flake/pranker. 
If, and only IF -  the provider does have plenty of reviews both here and on rentmen, a SMALL deposit is fine, but really nothing more than $50. If you are wanting an overnight, or the provider to travel a great distance - it is reasonable that small amount would be ratioed taking the distance/time into account.  For eg, I do ask for  the equivalent of 1hr fee as deposit if I am to be booked for overnight, traveling interstate or internationally. 
Some factual background - I require all new clients to send minimal deposit and it has not reduced my workload at all.  The only change I experienced was the rate of cancelations has since reduced to almost zero. (last year only 2 cancellations/no shows the whole YEAR) This year after seeing all the nonsense posted on these boards by Couch Critics, Monday Morning Quarterbacks and just total Clowns - I stopped requesting them for new clients just to see what would happen. The result of the experiment was shocking even to me. A cancelation/ghosting rate of 65% for that month. This percentage rate increased when it was a client who messaged ONLY from rentmen messenger, or a burner phone number (yes we can tell if you are using a burner phone). Whilst the vast majority of people who use this forum are the real deal, please understand that if you say 'just trust me I am coming' the truth is – the stats show that you are more than likely not. 
If you are reaching out to a new provider - they have not earned the rank of being able to request deposits. Ask them if they have no deposit options instead – perhaps for a same day in-call appointment may work. If you are reaching out to an established provider, they may have no-deposit options you can do as well. If you are wanting a longer booking, or for the provider to hold a spot open for you on the just the promise that you will arrive and not a deposit - you may be out of luck. 
A well-reviewed provider will not runway with your $50 when they can make $300 or more by actually seeing you -  and maybe make a new regular client out of you (our best hope!).  
 
9.  Have fun. Be Safe. Use Commonsense. 

From a client's perspective, that is very good.
 
Yes.

I haven’t used RM chat. I’m unlikely to proceed with contacting if there is no phone number posted for texting. 

Very important to me.  I’m not going to constantly sign in to RM to check for messages.  I prefer text 

A few close friends know that I hire. One of them even knows the specifics, who, where and when, since I share the details with him for safety. He does the same with me, as he also hires.
My doctor isn’t aware of the hiring aspect, though I’m pretty sure he assumes it. He does know that I have an active sex life with multiple partners.

The only ones who know are myself and the men I hire.

From a client's perspective, that is very good.
 
Yes.

Follow the lead of the client.  Look for body queues as to what it is they want. For eg. If they get up and get dressed, I mirror that energy. If they get up to do after sex pee, I stay as is, and encourage a cuddle, but if they then start getting dressed - so do I. I never start 'packing up' until the client does. 
Yeah sometimes the energy in the air is 'i want this guy out so I can get on with my day now'. Some guys as soon as they blow their load - it is over. they start thinking about their wives, and guilt comes in. The session was purely about sex and nothing more. Others are craving intimacy and connection, and pillow talk is a big part of that.You have to learn to be acutely aware of what they are wanting. Often client will not come out and say it, we have to read body language. 
This is SO IMPORTANT. Sometimes I worry that clients think I am stalling or trying to stretch time out, but in truth - I am building up tension, sussing out what they are interested in REALLY, learning a bit more about them, looking to find things in common. I am not a clock watcher, the hour is over whenever it naturally ends (within reason) - but the ice breaking at the beginning always leads to a better session. 

1)Find ways to prevent that before it happens, don't jump right into the main action at the beginning of the session.

2)The main action isn't everything, there can be other parts such as cuddling, massage, etc... though it might be better to start the session with these things then move more into the main action.

A smart practitioner immediately goes into “cuddle, afterglow, touch” mode.
At the same time he needs to be aware if the client is sending out clear “time to leave” vibes.
An escort that overstays his welcome is as annoying as one who leaves too early.
Which is which? That’s up to the ever changing moon, chemistry, and fickle clients. 
Nobody ever said the job was easy…..

In my experience, a request like that would break the mood and change the dynamic: If he slips his dick into your willing mouth during the massage, then he's controlling how erotic it gets. If you get up from the table and climb between his legs and start sucking him, it becomes an escort session for which he deserves a higher fee. Alternatively, you could ask the masseur in advance for a rate that includes sucking his dick. (Or hire an escort.)
Others might disagree with me, but when I choose a sensual or erotic masseur, I try to choose carefully and then just let them do their thing. 

No response so far from "Dreamzs" to my inquiry two days ago.  

This indicates a lot, IMO.  Makes me wonder what he is all about.  It is notable that on RM he has only ONE review.  That seems odd for some former hot star.  I am going to text him and inquire about his rates for various levels of service, etc., and see what kind of response if any I get.  

This indicates a lot, IMO.  Makes me wonder what he is all about.  It is notable that on RM he has only ONE review.  That seems odd for some former hot star.  I am going to text him and inquire about his rates for various levels of service, etc., and see what kind of response if any I get.  

It appears that "Nixon" from Sean Cody is now in DC for a few days.  Earlier posts/threads re him were from last year.  Anyone met with him recently?  If so, anything to report?  Feel free to DM me re the experience.
https://rentmasseur.com/Dreamzs

Yes, sure.

This is funny!   And the old man smell is real!!
But actually …
As an escort, I have a number of clients who I’d classify as … with all due respect … surprisingly old.  
And I have yet to encounter old man smell in a client situation.  Scouts’ honor.
Maybe staying sexually active keeps that part of aging at bay?  Which is to say…
Don’t stop hiring!

Ad’s up yet again. A year and a half later & he‘s still new at this. 🤣🤣🤣

As others have said, I like the provider to seem like he is genuinely attracted to me… however that expresses itself- kissing me, feeling me up, gazing into my eyes. One of my favorite experiences was when a provider started a session by asking me to join him in the shower and then immediately grabbed my cock, washing it and watching it grow in his hands.

One masseur made the massage transitioning from therapeutic to sensual+extras feel less like massage choreography and more like he was just losing focus on the massage and gaining sexual interest in me and exploring/playing with my body for his enjoyment, and i haven't really found others who've done that. It turned me on way more even though i knew he was still performing/doing his thing. I usually don't get aroused during a massage till the masseur actually touches my genitals (mainly because the firm massage pressure on other body parts just draws blood away from the region for me).
This guy got me aroused very early because the way he handled the transition made the sensual/sexual tension a lot more palpable because he made it feel like he was the one enjoying me as opposed to where it usually feels like I'm the one receiving the privilege to engage with the ultra hot masseur (which of course, obviously is what is happening). But because of the latter, I'm always aware they're just doing what they gotta do (even when they're good at it). But this guy really made it feel like he was the one having the fun and it was just really great.

For a massage, I always notice and appreciate but don't always receive: 
Deep massage on the bottoms of my feet
Ears massaged when I'm faceup.
Forehead, temple, head massage when I'm faceup. 
Pecs worked (and of course, eventually, the nipples!)

As others have said, it’s the unsolicited affection.  Laying beside me as paid activities wind down, joining me in the shower, expressing an interest in me as a person…All of these are special touches that I’ve found to be somewhat rare.

So if you've booked through his erotic massage site have you seen him for that booking? Surely that's all you should have to do really. 
 

I think having a different number isn't common, but you bring up something that IS common - a different massage name from an escort name.