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If I know for sure I want to hire someone and I don't have an indication that the guy is screening out clients because he only wants hot, young men as clients, I don't mind sharing a photo. I actually used to just regularly send a photo of myself to guys I emailed, and usually the guys were appreciative though occasionally one would reply that I didn't need to do that. I figured that if someone did want to screen me out due to looks I'd rather they do that before we set a firm appointment. Then again, I also used to contact lots of providers on Adam4Adam and had my face visible in my profile, so I wasn't concerned about escorts being able to identify me.

Seems like a general topic that belongs in the Lounge. The Deli states it's for discussions about providers, so seeing this post in the Deli made me wonder if this guy had been working as an escort.

Why was this posted in the Deli? Was he an escort in addition to a straight porn performer?

It's a confusing ad. His text says he's new to Miami, but his location is listed as Los Angeles but with travel dates to New York City. He's new to the U.S., says he's of Polish and Brazilian ancestry, and yet under language he only lists English. He didn't select anything under "I Am Into." Though his ad text says the photos are real and that he looks just like them, I am also skeptical when it looks like someone just found a models profile online and grabbed his photos. I agree that having some professional looking shots is good marketing, but I prefer either a mix of more professional/modeling type of photos and ones that are selfies or, honestly, just a bunch of good selfies.

There is merit to both sides of this argument. Clients are responsible for making decisions to protect their own health. That being said, I think it's pretty sad that so many people have an attitude that escorts as business people are free to misrepresent their services in any number of ways (not just HIV status) and that if a client made decisions based on misrepresentations on the part of the provider it's his fault for being lazy/stupid/careless/whatever. I would hope that most providers who post here want to create a public image of treating clients ethically and generally being honest about the services they provide.

Not knowing him, I can see why you'd say that his pictures need to be updated. He looks like a cutie with a nice body, but most of the photos don't really convey that very well. If you're a good photographer (not professional, but just good with a camera phone), you could offer to take some photos at your next session using his phone so he's the one in control of the images. Make the offer and ask him to share the best shots with you.

Throughout life in different settings, I've encountered many people who are punctual and some who are just almost always late. That's been true in social settings, in work settings, and when hiring escorts and masseurs. I don't know why some people simply seem to have an inability to show up on time for anything, or maybe even deliberately arrive late for some psychological reason, but there are certain people who just behave this way. If it's an issue with a certain person, as others have said you can simply state your limit ahead of time and then enforce it. I'll admit that my most regular hire was someone who was typically late. It only worked for me because we always did overnights, so once I adjusted to the reality that he was almost always going to arrive a half hour later than planned it didn't bother me too much. For an hour appointment with someone I've never met before, not being ready on time or at least close to on time is a deal breaker. If I go to someone and he's not ready within 10 minutes or so of our scheduled appointment time, I'll just text them that I'm leaving since they aren't available. If a guy is coming to me I'll be a bit more patience, but even then I have my limits, particularly if the guy isn't texting me to say why he's running late.

Does that line mean he may not be able to perform his best unless you're athletically built with a nice ass? That's the way I interpret it. Not that it matters. His ad is way to focused on drug use for me. I didn't even know what "swirl" meant so I looked it up in the Urban Dictionary: "A foolish or stupid person who admits to having taken a dose of GHB (Gamma hydroxy butyrate), who then proceeds to have sex with Black person/s and swishes the ejaculate of said Black person/s in their mouth before swallowing said ejaculate. " I like to swallow cum with the right guy, but not after taking GHB. I also noticed he used CashApp as another tag. I prefer cash, not sending an electronic payment.

I just searched "Jesse Williams nude uncensored" and the first site I found had the full monty shot. I would just post the image but I'm not sure what's allowed here in terms of posting nudes. It's on a site called men.aznude.com.

If you get the station MeTV+ (available over the air in some markets and on some cableTV packages), you can revisit Robert Conrad's young, handsome self on Hawaiian Eye every weeknight. I haven't seen the show until recently because it was before my time and it isn't a show that's been aired in syndication regularly, so it's been a treat for me to tune in and hope that the episode on that evening will have at least one scene with Robert getting out of the pool and standing shirtless for a while. Robert still looked great on Wild Wild West -- hell, he looked great for decades after he shot Hawaiian Eye. But he was absolutely stunning on Hawaiian Eye, with a combination of a hunky man's body with an almost "pretty" face.

Yes, I have, since it helps me get and stay harder. Since Viagra doesn't spontaneously cause an erection, though, if the massage ends up not turning into an erotic experience then I just have a better boner later.

Looks like they need to work on their website functionality. I tried two different browsers (Firefox and Chrome) and neither one of them properly filtered the results to my area. Instead I saw results for men hundreds to thousands of miles away despite me indicating a maximum distance of 75 miles, and then buried further down in the results were men in my city.

For everything else? No. How about drinking alcohol?

I think saying the same thing 100 times is a bit over-the-top, even if it's a compliment, but I don't think you have any reason to be embarrassed. I once spontaneously told a guy at the end of our appointment that he was the hottest guy I ever had sex with. Now, maybe that wasn't actually true since I had been with a number of hot men but it felt like the truth in the moment since he was so sexy in my eyes. I still remember his incredulous "Really?" response. I assured him I meant what I said. I appreciated his humility. Too bad he was only visiting my area and never returned, at least not to my knowledge.

Also on Rentmen: https://rentmen.eu/MASSASF I thought he was discussed before, but searching for "massasf" didn't find anything.

I think a word was left out of the post you quoted, since I was about to make a similar point: If someone is a traveling escort who satisfies clients, it seems like the best source of business is to let satisfied clients know in advance of your visit to their area. I'm not suggesting spamming former clients repeatedly who don't become regulars, but if a client indicates at the end of the session that he'd hire the escort again when he returns to the area then it makes sense for that escort to send that client a text with his travel plans and an offer to schedule an appointment. That's how my most frequent hire became a regular for me -- he'd tell me when he was visiting, I'd book an appointment, and both of us kept our commitments.

Yes, I see that could be a problem. Funny...my initial post was going to include the suggestion that the first response be a link to a pro ad somewhere if the person initiating the contact isn't someone the escort would be interested in for a free hook-up, but then I decided to simplify the matter. I see now that it does make sense to address that possibility, and if someone is bent out of shape on seeing a brief reply to their initial message that the guy is available to hire that's on him. But I really do think that needs to happen right away, not after exchanging several messages where someone might get the impression that he's pursuing an unpaid encounter.

I agree. If soliciting isn't permitted on a given app/website, then pros shouldn't ply their game there and can just ignore messages from guys if they aren't interested in hooking up for free, just like everyone else does.

That's my issue with it. I like the anonymity of cash and the lack of a paper trail. So while I doubt it's a scam and I understand that some guys might prefer an electronic transfer, it's also reasonable that some guys might prefer cash.

I originally got the "not playable in your country" message as well, but that link works. I'll have to try your trick in the future when I see the same regional restriction message.

I just saw an ad of a traveling guy in my area (San Francisco) who, whether wise or accurate or not, decided to include in his ad that in some travel cities he is fully booked before he even arrives, mostly due to repeat customers. I'll take him at his word and assume it's true, since I cannot think of any reason to want to make potential clients assume you're too busy to see them. That is an example of a provider for whom traveling is worth it, all because he has developed his business in such a way that clients want to see him repeatedly. I've never met him even though I think he's very attractive because I'm basically on hiatus from hiring due to personal reasons. I still like window shopping, though.

It's been a long time since I was someone's first time. Fortunately I didn't cum too fast. What stands out in my mind was how the guy reacted after we both came -- overwhelming guilt/shame. I tried my best to help him feel "normal," but I'm not sure I succeeded. Just a question: If you were so turned on that you came so fast, don't you think you could have gotten it up again after a brief respite?

I think it's important to distinguish being actual danger (i.e., the provider did something or said something that was threatening or actually violent) and being worried that someone could do something to you if he wanted. Let's face it -- when getting a massage, the client is usually naked and frequently the masseur isn't (or at least doesn't start out naked). The client is face down on a massage table so he cannot see what might be going on around him. If you let your imagination run wild, you could perceive danger every time a masseur takes his hands off your body when he might just be getting more massage lotion, adjusting the heat or music, or something benign. At any rate, only once did I feel any sort of danger. I hired this masseur off Craigslist and let him into my place because he matched his photos and seemed nice enough. After I was naked he demanded that I pay him in full up front, something I never do. He also was immediately trying to upsell me by basically saying that the agreed upon rate was for a short bodyrub with him fully clothed and I had to pay more if I wanted more. To make the story shorter, I asked him to leave and started to get dressed but he basically said he wasn't going to leave unless I paid him. I ended up giving him half his fee (I don't even remember what that was, but given I hired him off Craigslist for massage his full fee was probably $100 or so) and he left. I wouldn't exactly say I was robbed, but I definitely felt scammed out of the money I paid him. There's no way I would have hired him had he communicated online what he communicated in person, and given the size/fitness level difference I didn't feel like I had any option to get him to leave other than to give him money. I was annoyed that I allowed myself to get scammed in this way, but at least grateful that he left without things getting ugly.

I'm in the camp that says to just ignore the threat. Hopefully the nude photos you shared don't include your face anyway. When I used to share a nude photo of me, it didn't include my face. Sending a fully nude photo of myself with my face included to someone I didn't know just never made sense to me. I know lots of men post naked photos in online profiles so I realize that some other men don't share the same level of privacy concern, but I just didn't want to run the risk of problems at work related to naked photos of myself being seen by people who shouldn't see them.

Given the nature of this board, I'm sure most members here have either had a stranger over to their place or gone to a stranger's place. My practice is always to meet people outside, though, if they are coming over to me; I don't feel comfortable just opening the door and letting someone in right away. I want to not only see them first, but also have a minute to talk with them on the way to my condo. I agree with Kevin that you were reasonable to want to meet in a public place and that the other guy not immediately deferring to your preference was problematic. More than likely the guy was just being clueless, not intentionally offensive. It doesn't matter what the "norm" is, though. You do what works for you.