Mocha

Not to discredit your advice, but I knew atleast 2 people who went to AA or rehab and it didn't do shit long term. They went right back to drinking within days. And I'm talking about hardcore drinking. I don't know what's missing with those programs since I've never been, but it goes deeper.
 
Some people have just had rough lives, or alcoholism and drug use is in their DNA, generational curses passed down from the father's father's great great grandfather. Such things need to be addressed and maybe spiritually assesed through getting deep into the nitty gritty of such family issues that weigh people down.
 
Alcoholics Anonymous does not really address such issues. I think a personal therapist would be more effective as they take you 1 on 1 and really dig in deep...for $200 an hour. But I would find someone who you can feel comfortable with because sometimes therapist can be offensive, but it's different than some random, non licensed therapist on the internet just talking shit about you.
 

 
Let's just be clear. Christians are people too. People sin and judge and then die. It's not because they're Christians, it's because they are people. I have had to learn in life, and still learning...to stop fucking with people. If they're not helping me in my business, or trying to be a team in my personal life, fuck em.
 
I just turned 30 and I used to get depressed and down over guys I dated, nowadays I'm quick to tell them F YOU. I don't give a damn if you don't like me or not. The gay world is a cesspool of depression because you're dealing with many people who grew up being told by their parents or guardians that they are nothing. So they bring that neglected mindset into relationships and friendships (oftentimes with reckless disregards of their bodies with various drug paraphanelia and addictions) not understanding....how it hurts all of us.
 
Once you get it, meaning you understand most of us are all dealing with these issues one way or another...and condemn those on the forum and in real life who make fun of, tease and further add to the catty, oppressive ways of the gay man which creates habitats for depression and anxiety, we can become a better subculture.
 
We all have to step in this together. Sometimes when I'm at gay bars, I hear gay guys talking to their friends like trash. One guy in Orlando was talking about work, and his gay friend told him loudly to shut the fuck up and stop talking about work after 5 pm. The guy looked away quite depressed. I wanted to mind my business, but I should have said something.
 
But then, when 49 people get killed or a mass workplace shooting occurs...everyone can't believe it happened. That applies to everyone.

Well from an escorts perspective since you did ask:
 
What do you like most about a Latin Lover?
 
I like the olive and dark skin tones. Many have a way of giving sex that starts off coy, but gets real hot, real quick. I used to like all the Papi talk, but there's Latin guys who speak no Spanish and it makes no difference. Many also just go with the flow, and seem okay with whatever.
 
How does it feel interaction with Latin Escorts?
 
I learned Spanish, but it didn't stick. However, I can understand all accents of Latin in English whether it be from Spain, or Mexico, Guatamala, Columbia, Puerto Rico, etc.
 
are they Intersting for you or just a one night stand guy?
 
Both. Although I've had good relationships with Latin guys, sometimes it's actually YOU GUYS who want only the one night stands from US. Here in Orlando, Florida...these guys seem like they want to hangout but they really just want to fuck. Which is okay, but kinda sucks when I go away for a month and then come back, the guy I thought was interested in something real, is suddenly seeing someone else.
 
Do you believe we are Drama boys?
 
YES. See above. To me, getting into a relationship too soon and too many times is drama or asking for it it. Some Latin guys just need to stay single and enjoy life. Way too many jaded and broken hearted beautiful guys out there. But good drama and bad drama. I would say, Latin guys tend to be "expressive".
 
What don't you like about Latinos?
 
I personally don't think you should ask this because it invites ignorant talk. It's like asking a group of non-African American people, "what don't you like about Black people". And not sure if you were here, but we had lots of police shooting incidents over the last 5 years that really bought those questions to the surface. Here in America, people don't like people because of what they see on the news or a bad experience they may have had.
 
Any fucking thing someone can say they don't like about a Latino, can apply to anyone. Uncut dicks? White guys have them too. Mexican food? White guys eat it too. Drama? White guys have it too.

Well from an escorts perspective since you did ask:
 
What do you like most about a Latin Lover?
 
I like the olive and dark skin tones. Many have a way of giving sex that starts off coy, but gets real hot, real quick. I used to like all the Papi talk, but there's Latin guys who speak no Spanish and it makes no difference. Many also just go with the flow, and seem okay with whatever.
 
How does it feel interaction with Latin Escorts?
 
I learned Spanish, but it didn't stick. However, I can understand all accents of Latin in English whether it be from Spain, or Mexico, Guatamala, Columbia, Puerto Rico, etc.
 
are they Intersting for you or just a one night stand guy?
 
Both. Although I've had good relationships with Latin guys, sometimes it's actually YOU GUYS who want only the one night stands from US. Here in Orlando, Florida...these guys seem like they want to hangout but they really just want to fuck. Which is okay, but kinda sucks when I go away for a month and then come back, the guy I thought was interested in something real, is suddenly seeing someone else.
 
Do you believe we are Drama boys?
 
YES. See above. To me, getting into a relationship too soon and too many times is drama or asking for it it. Some Latin guys just need to stay single and enjoy life. Way too many jaded and broken hearted beautiful guys out there. But good drama and bad drama. I would say, Latin guys tend to be "expressive".
 
What don't you like about Latinos?
 
I personally don't think you should ask this because it invites ignorant talk. It's like asking a group of non-African American people, "what don't you like about Black people". And not sure if you were here, but we had lots of police shooting incidents over the last 5 years that really bought those questions to the surface. Here in America, people don't like people because of what they see on the news or a bad experience they may have had.
 
Any fucking thing someone can say they don't like about a Latino, can apply to anyone. Uncut dicks? White guys have them too. Mexican food? White guys eat it too. Drama? White guys have it too.

If it helps you any, I have had 2 clients who are employees of such chains. And they gladly give me their friends n family discount.
 
In that regard, there really should be no obvious signs. Even if they did, what are they going to do? Have pictures printed of every escort posted on RentMen and holler out, “HEY, Stop right there! You are a sex worker, You need to leave!” Is that the kind of attention Marriott wants? I doubt it.
 
I just had a hotel clerk the other week leave me a cute little crush note and his phone number...asking me to dinner. I was like that’s so sweet, but I reached out to him on my personal phone and not my working line (so he can’t go snooping around later). And after that, I booked another night at the hotel when he was not working that day...and took in a client. What if he found out I was an escort later, and? What is he going to do? Nothing.
 
Unless the hotel specifically says no guests are allowed, you’re well within your right to being whoever you want to bring to his/your hotel room. For all they know, you’re reimbursing me for my hotel cost and for traveling all this way to see you. That’s what people are supposed to do lol.
 
I understand being paranoid, but sometimes you just have to think rationally about circumstances. Sex trafficking is different than a single man or 2 being seen together in a hotel.

I’m not saying that clients privacy doesn’t matter. I’M saying it’s usually NOT FOR THE SAME REASONS. And yes, I’m well aware that nowadays in M4M situations, it seems like the client is usually the victim moreso than the provider...and I’ve heard stories of clients getting swindled than the other way around. BUT, there’s more evidence that we need to be a bit more savvy about our safety, than that of the client. And a client concealing their identity, should be cause for atleast 0.001 gram of suspicion. And we’re just going to not put emphasis on the fact that these stories are older and more focused on women victims.
 
1. https://www.lifedeathprizes.com/real-life-crime/killers-who-targeted-prostitutes-63688
 
2.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/17726177
 
3.https://unsolved.com/gallery/prostitute-serial-killer/
 
4.https://www.bustle.com/articles/194623-why-do-serial-killers-target-sex-workers-the-killing-season-explores-this-tragic-type-of-crime
 
That’s just 4 articles. Should I post more? Sure, why not. How about the Boston Craigslist killer:
 
https://the-line-up.com/the-craigslist-killer-a-charming-medical-student-turned-murderer

??

Research, training, or checking out competition: I don’t think it’s necessary to hire another escort for any of those things. If an escort does choose to hire another escort, I would imagine it would be for the same reasons as any other.
 
I’ll just say this: I’m on the same note with @hypothetically. I don’t really have anything against hiring or being hired by another escort but I just keep my encounters and conversations mainly with guys who aren’t in the industry.
 
The only time I engage a lot of escorts at one time, is at Palm Springs and Twitter. And even then, I keep it cute and simple. But I can’t see myself hiring another escort.
 
All of my ride or die male friends I’ve know for months and years, are guys who aren’t in the industry. For whatever reason, the times I’ve crossed paths with other escorts, whether thru mutual clients or chance meetings out and about, but they’ve always seemed intimidated. But if more ethnic escorts networked like I hear some of the other guys do, there wouldn’t be any need for intimidation.
 

 
 
I was recently propositioned by someone to make a video, though I don’t think he was offering money. I didn’t really think us making a video and posting it on Rentmen would do much justice, so I eventually slipped away from the idea.

Sounds good in theory, but the problem is....many of the guys advertising on Rentmen are flakes.
 
It’s really dismaying what I’ve heard. I had a lil young client who was just under 30...had the whole thuggish White boy look to him (which just so happens to be my perfect type) but he was a real client and very professional. He would invite me up to his town about 50 miles from where I lived, get a hotel after work for me to host and let me keep it.
 
But on our first meet, he waited for me to get there first, saying in the past he has gotten hotel for guys off RentMen who said they were coming, and they never showed up.
 
So when these guys are arranging stuff and people don’t come thru, they start trusting the site less...and then it’s like, how do they differentiate the flakes of rentmen from the flakes of Grindr?
 
But generally, I don’t worry about younger guys being demanding, I’m usually the dom top in those situations anyway
 
Also...the ones who hire escorts may do so for any number of reasons, not just simply a hot fuck. I know in any city I’m in, I can easily get a hot fuck, at most any time of day or night, so ain’t no need to be paying for it. Then again, I generally end up hooking up with white and Latino bottoms which is a large makeup of the general gay community. Easy, peasy.
 
However, some people want specific things. I’m sure me and @hypothetically know, it can be hard to find a big dick black top once you get outside of the big player cities (Atlanta, Chicago, Washington DC, New York) especially considering some of the “preferences” people can have.

I have been called out in certain situations myself, where I have said I wanted to be more discerning of the Black clients I’m willing to meet (in case I need to clarify, I happen to be Black (and mixed, but hypothetically going by the 1% rule here lol) as well). Some people have gotten offensive when I said that.
 
But people have misunderstood. They take something in tact as offense. It’s not that I discriminate, but more of the fact that I understand a lot of my own race isn’t respectful with what we do, therefore I have to do what I need to do. When you have someone of your own race chargeback $250 on PayPal, or threatens to physically harm you (true story, but wasn’t a client)...you start becoming a little smarter about who you see. That doesn’t mean I’m following them around in the store, making sure I lock the door so they don’t run out, or make them feel uncomfortable. But more of just weeding people out before even meeting them.
 
At the same time, I’m finding more and more black clients are becoming my fans. And I’m enjoying them more as well. But I still have some who come at me inconsiderate.
 
On the flip side: Despite White clients being the majority of my client base, they also make up the ones who waste the most of my time. It may not be down to because they’re White, but down to who’s looking at the sites the most. But if we put that aside, I would say a lot of White guys play bullshit games the most, which now has me screening them out moreso than the Black clients.
 

 
In most cities in America, older White clients are generally going to makeup the majority of clients. That’s fact. BUT, the issue is a lot of these older white clients are acting like 16 year old boys nowadays. The immaturity level out here is insane. Over the past week, I’ve had to deal with several instances of older white clients contacting for appointments, as if they’re prank calling Chinese takeout ? restaurants. It’s just insane.
 
I blame Trump for all this nonsense. Older white guys think it’s cute to show their ass. Just today I had to post a Yelp review of a client who sent me some horrible text messages. One included “fuck you loser”. And this is a 50 something year old White guy who’s supposed to be running his own company (he also has another bad yelp review from an employee, which goes to show it’s not just me...and it’s this whole “I’m paying you, and I’m president/ceo, so I’ll treat you like dirt mentality) Just insanity. I don’t necessarily follow the hate train on Trump or any other politician, but I can’t wait to see him out because he’s made it okay for older white guys to just be completely out of line disrespectful (mainly when it comes to doing business). At the same time, most of my White clients don’t like Trump, so I’m not saying ALL are becoming that way, but the time wasters out here do seem to be copying the behavior.
 
And can’t any White escort say I’m crazy or “need fucking help”, when you not out here dealing with it from the perspective of a person of color.

Ok now you’re talking out of your behind. Show me where I posted that I loved the Bible Belt. If you’re going to quote something I say, you better have something to back it up. Because I’ve already shown receipts.
 
And you sound ridiculous. Twitter thots? Are you even in the business? There’s plenty of people on Twitter who use it for marketing and other uses that actually bring real life clients. If you don’t know that, then you are at a loss.
 
 
Plus, he is texting who writes out full sentences while texting unless your like 70s+.
 
That right there goes to prove what I was saying. You don’t even know how to spell or write a sentence either. And only people in their 70s write out full sentences? No. I’ve had 24 year olds write out complete sentences. I’m not asking for a long drawn out form mail, just something simple and basic that takes the guess work out of figuring out who someone is (not that I can’t figure it out on my own, but I want them to have the courtesy of volunteering it). You can literally do it in 160 characters or less. People have been doing it for years, and I’ve been meeting plenty of people who have been doing it for years.
 
The fact I’ve had several people reaching out who haven’t ended up meeting in person is not an indication of not screening my calls. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, people are going to contact people regardless whether you screen or not. They do it grindr, they did it on Craigslist, and they do it now with escort ads. That’s nothing to do with me.
 
I answer all of my own texts and calls, they don’t go to anyone but me. What my assistant does, is not something I need to broadcast. But regardless, I’m definitely not going to have Oliver Saks screening all my calls. I don’t even know him, why would I pass my client contacts to him? You and him both need have several seats and stop trying to be so damn condescending and judgmental.

Because earth is vastly populated with low-level, inferior beings.
Don't mind them much, take their money.
Keep your goal in mind: money, not receiving pretty messages.

Exactly!
 
Instead of talking for a couple of minutes now people prefer to text for hours. Makes no sense Specially when the first text message it might be: “hi”.
 
I understand texting an address or a message saying “I am on my way” or “I just parked” but making plans by text takes longer.
 
@Dave Still requires a phone call by a first time client

Ha, in that article in included rural Missouri as one of the places of the “study”.
 
I just so happen to rotate between touring and rural Missouri myself, outside of Kansas City. The choice on Grindr are slim, usually 20-30 miles away, and a4a doesn’t even register the city. There’s hardly any black people here, but I have gone up to the local gym here and see regularly a few hot “straight” guys. I have taken the step to chat to a couple of them, but in the effort I’ve made so far...I haven’t gotten any action out here.
 
Every time I make a conversation with a “straight” white guy out in public, they ALWAYS bring up their “girlfriend/wife”. One of my clients told me, they do it intentionally to build up a wall to say their off limits, even when I don’t even be intentionally trying to hit on them. I just be curious lol.
 
However...when it comes down to it, it “could” happen, but I feel 2 factors come into play: they tend to be older and if any heteroflexible stuff is going down, it’s going to be between other white guys. On top of that, add in that they probably know each other thru organizations or whatever.
 
The only time I have any success meeting another guy for sex is apps, bars, or ads. There’s only been a few times in life that I’ve met someone out in public outside of any gay establishment, and it’s turned into something (one was a Puerto Rican guy at the car wash...he had a wife and we ended up fucking for months. Eventually I moved, and down the line I heard they split).
 
Sometimes I don’t know what to think. Sometimes I feel there’s a lot more heteroflexible men than we know. Other times I feel the MSM population is much smaller than i seems. In some cities, once you get outside of the gay neighborhood, all you see is guys pushing strollers, kids everywhere, and pretty much like gay people don’t even exist outside of the bedroom.

...because I feel I’m getting near to that point. As in, cutting bars, cutting social networks, etc. Despite it being Pride month, and it’s the time to give “reverence” to those who fought for our rights, I don’t feel any spirit of “Pride”.
 
When I look back over the past couple years, it seems like every time I meet a gay guy outside of my clients/escort network, it always ends up drama and disappointment. It’s almost like every few weeks, I’m being let down by someone I trusted or started to get to know. The most recent was last week, prior to that was just a month before.
 
I’m starting to feel the only way to keep drama and disappointment out of my “space” is to avoid any gay associations that’s not related to work. I just don’t know what it is, but whenever I try to cultivate new friendships/relationships in the “scene”, it rarely lasts, and it’s always someone with a 1 track mind. Either they just want to fuck, or they claim to be a “friend”, but end up being 2 faced, or constantly critical, put downs, competing for each other’s dudes etc. (especially and mainly from other gay black men).
 
I’m just tired of it. I now see why some guys I come across, they never go out, they’re not out looking to meet people. They seem closed off, but considering the type of characters out here to contend with, it’s no wonder.
 
I wonder how this would affect business. Would I become a more focused, ambitious companion, or would I need to find ways to compensate for the potential drop in social life.
 
Edit: Even if I do, I would plan to keep all existing friends/fuck buddies (unless they too happen to drop off). I don’t want to be that person to cut off people for no reason. But seems like I need to discern all else.

Yeah I would've been FURIOUS. Sorry to hear @Mocha. One thing I've learned in this whole M4M culture...men are the dumbest, period. Got crawling animals with more common sense.

For me, the client sending an Uber essentially is indemnification. I don’t want to travel over to them and then they suddenly decide to cancel — it’s obviously worse than their simply not showing up to my place for a booked session; I feel like an utter fool — and some clients will provide you only the cross-streets and upon arrival thereto they provide further instructions — sometimes they even give an address that’s a few doors down or across the street from their actual place and tell you to text/call them when you are close and then surprise, they disclose their actual location. My in-call and out-call rates are the same for this reason — for out-calls, they provide transport to and fro along with the regular donation. I insist upon this. Some choose to pick me up; it is indeed more cost-effective. Still others have had to download the Uber or Lyft apps specifically to see me and I have to help them navigate said apps, as they have never before used them. I’m comfortable this way. Most do not object. In my ad I expressly state this condition. It’s quite likely that some refrain from seeing me because of this.

I actually had someone on yelp send me a private message after that, thanking me for doing so, because he had her yelp account suspended when she wrote a review on him. Apparently he would get people’s yelp’s account deleted. There was also an employee of his who had recently put a similar review of him up, about how he would talk to them, but after awhile that disappeared as well. Mine is still up. Couldn’t dispute that.
 
9 times out 10, the same ones shit talking escorts, are likely doing it to other people as well. That’s why I already know what kind of client Trump would be lol.

So my skin is thin for putting someone on blast for calling me out of my name (fuck you loser was 1 of the choice words he used). But yet a client can use “much foul language”, and nobody says anything? For all we know, he could have called him a stupid s**c wh*re, go kill yourself. I’ve been the recipient of client’s abusive language, and I’m THE LAST BITCH that will tolerate that. People get 1 TIME to come at me wrong, and it’s OVER.
 
See, this is the problem I have. Too many providers have no backbone, and are sitting around letting clients say and do whatever they want to do. Can you guess who of all people tend to cause me the most frustration, aggravations, and annoyances? Is it Trump? No. Is it FOSTA? No. Is it Congress? No. Is it other escorts? No. Is it lawmakers? No. Is it unsupportive friends? No.
 
It’s OTHER CLIENTS (not all, but the ones who don’t have manners and courtesy). The same people who are coming to us to help them have a good time, to support our business, to be taken care of...ARE THE ONES WHO ARE HURTING US THE MOST.
 
They dangle us a bone to make it seem like they are looking out for us, but will in a second cancel, leave us high and dry, not return messages, don’t leave anything for the inconvenience of wasting our time. NOTHING. Most clients are good people, but others only fucking care about they damn self. Yes, everyone is selfish to a degree, but when it comes down to it, it can’t always just be about you.
 
That is why I’ve become this thin-skinned person who doesn’t take shit from people anymore. And if anyone has an issue with it, mind your business.

Belittling someone who insults and messes with others? The opposite @Mocha simply taught him a lesson and warned others. Not everybody likes to put the other cheek in life constantly...
 
He (the former client turned stalker) messed with the wrong person this time.

You’re absolutely right. It’s not safe to send harassing and belittling messages to someone. We are just men with an ad and some pictures. You wouldn’t (hopefully) go into Neiman Marcus or The Andrew Christian store and start demeaning and cursing out employees, so don’t do it to me. I’m not here for all that.
 
If I were you, I’d stay away from me too. Trick.

I’m still curious as to what were the words that ensued here.
 
Me - $#%&%$#

I have family members involved in a business that manufactures and ships holiday stuff to Costco. Sam’s Club too.
 
Costco wants the stuff in transit to them before Labor Day. The containers of raw materials for assembly come into port from China in April to begin production before summer in time for shipping deadlines.

As a child in the 70s, I remember commenting to my mom while shopping in a department store, "it must be Labor Day as Caldor's has their Christmas trees up!"

There’s only 4 things that really matter when it comes down to an ad:
 
1) Your description
2) Your Pics
3) Your Reviews
4) Visibility/The city you’re in
 
Once you put those together, the rest will fall into place. The pics are most important. Before I started escorting, I started doing modeling. But once I realized modeling by itself is not necessarily a money maker, that’s when I used it to jump start entry in the biz.
 
Make a profile on model mayhem and find some photographers with credentials, before looking on Grindr.
 
Really sit down and write your ad, maybe look at other ads to get your creative juices flowing, just don’t copy someone’s ad/style word for word.
 
See if client would be willing to write review.
Personally, trying to start out nowadays is harder than it was 10 years ago. I used to have a steady flow of clients with just 1 picture on Craigslist. Nowadays, everyone expects to see more. Having 4 G rated photos on a platform like RentMen where people can see any and everything, is simply not going to stand out.
 
And of course, location location location. In a place like LA, even 5 star, established escorts could find it hard to generate enough traffic. Most of the clients I meet from LA, tend to be visiting a city that’s NOT LA lol. It’s not going to be an instant hit, and it takes time.

@Mocha Maybe having a preset text or email that summarizes (not too explicit) what you offer can help. If you have good reviews then direct them to that. End the back and forth communications and just redirect them back to the preset text or email and reviews. Tell them it's a legal issue and protection for both yourself and the client. I really don't get why people do this. Nothing better to do? It's just moronic and inconsiderate.