What's the beef about VoIP numbers, like Google Voice?

[+ Phactor]

So I text a potential companion. He asks a couple of questions, I respond. No reply. I text him a day later asking if he's not interested. I set the phone down, go take a piss. Phone rings, I miss the call. I text back sorry just missed your call, can call you back now. And here's his response:

 

This is a Google Voice Number. Fake ass scammer or cop. Try harder and maybe you'll catch one.

 

I guess he then blocked me because no further response to text or phone.

 

Is the scamming so bad that escorts don't understand that, as a client, i want to keep my number private? My personal number is used for personal and work calls and can easily be found on the internet. This is why I use Google Voice.

[Mocha]

For me, it’s not so much that it’s a scammer or cop. For me, it’s more of the fact that people who tend to use them, tend to use them as a way to be unaccountable. Whenever my caller ID shows no verifiable info, it’s usually one of those “burner” numbers. And those tend to be an issue with reliability from the “client” (who does often end up usually a fake or scammer).

 

I personally don’t have beef with them, but if something doesn’t add up and I call and the voicemail says, “the text mail subscriber you called...” or “the google voice number you dialed”...I forward it to my assistant for verification.

 

If you want to sound atleast half way legit, try adding a personal voicemail to your number, and include your name.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Use Burner

 

https://www.burnerapp.com/

 

It's easier to use and you can quickly create and drop phone numbers in seconds.

[Mocha]

Use Burner

 

https://www.burnerapp.com/

 

It's easier to use and you can quickly create and drop phone numbers in seconds.

 

 

Hmmm...I’m not for it.

 

One of my stalker clients who I’ve met (mistakenly on the 2nd time) 3 times, but has been booking and cancelling on me for years...has contacted me from 2 different numbers, using 2 different names even when I told him to not contact me again because he’s so unreliable. When I said I would no longer be taking correspondence from his number, he says, “that’s fine, this is a burner number anyway”.

 

Last thing we need, is people using those services in unscrupulous manners. And most honest to goodness people shouldn’t have to use that, unless they’re from overseas and coming to America. People are more likely to waste multiple people’s time with “burner numbers” than to do anything with someone’s personal number.

[down_to_business]

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...Is the scamming so bad that escorts don't understand that, as a client, i want to keep my number private? My personal number is used for personal and work calls and can easily be found on the internet. This is why I use Google Voice.

 

 

Yes, this is exactly why - they can't run a background check on you or otherwise coerce/threaten (or worse) which is what some of them will do with the information they obtain from your real phone. It's also so totally one sided, as these same people won't be giving you their real numbers and will be the first to call you out for invasion of their privacy if you even considered doing with the number what they are doing.

 

All it takes is one escort to out right blackmail you with your own personal information and you will learn the hard way (like me) to never ever give it out to anyone you don't trust. Don't make a decision you will regret for life and protect your privacy at all costs. If they won't respect your privacy, move on to another that will.

 

Finally, never abuse your private number to screw over an escort (i.e. make an appointment, no show, and ghost them). Mutual respect and protecting your reputation goes a long way as a client. For example, I have been a RM client over 10 years, give positive or constructive feedback only in RM reviews, and always show up, cancel with notice, or come to a mutually agreeable solution if it is possible to work out any other issue. I never give my personal/business phone, ever. Voice/Text or Email ONLY!

[Mocha]

Finally, never abuse your private number to screw over an escort (i.e. make an appointment, no show, and ghost them). Mutual respect and protecting your reputation goes a long way as a client.

 

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[hypothetically]

This is a Google Voice Number. Fake ass scammer or cop. Try harder and maybe you'll catch one.

Is the scamming so bad that escorts don't understand that, as a client, i want to keep my number private?

 

Truthfully, he just sounds super paranoid, frustrated, or both. I always encourage clients to look at the bigger picture when an escort replies out of anger. Potentially a slow day, lots of flakes, etc. It’s not about VoIP nor you.

[Mocha]

Truthfully, he just sounds super paranoid, frustrated, or both. I always encourage clients to look at the bigger picture when an escort replies out of anger. Potentially a slow day, lots of flakes, etc. It’s not about VoIP nor you.

 

That’s so true, I was going to bring that up the other day. Clients have to understand that contacting a provider may be like waking a sleeping bull. You never know what that provider may be going thru on the other end. Not that lashing out is to be expected, but some people instigate such scenarios. Especially when clients say stuff like, “I’ll pass”. No, you can’t pass on something you never had to begin with.

 

Like the example I was referring to the other week, the guy was pestering me at a time when my friends had just “forgot” me to go to the beach on 4th of July weekend, (I was tricked into dog sitting their 100 pound pooch for the day). I had already had 2 flakes that day, and I was trying to figure out what to cook for the 4th since my friends usually BBQ, but not that day.

 

Granted, I should have just put the phone down and walked away...but it’s the 4th, people are usually off work and have a little play time. Problem is, that’s exactly what they do: play, like children. But when my mood is already bleh, I can go from 0 to 100, real quick.

 

But lately, I’ve just been working on my script, putting the phone down, and walking away. However in this case, I don’t think someone should quickly dismiss someone using such numbers. You really have to have probable cause that the person using such numbers is a scam or otherwise. I don’t think the advertiser in question was any more justified than those annoying clients who are like, “you have a different area code than where you say you’re from, you’re probably a scammer or a cop.” (I’ve had that before too)

 

Sometimes I think it just be people who aren’t okay with the industry, just trying to be slick. And not everybody who advertises on Rentmen is actually an escort either. I know that may be shocking.

[LaffingBear]

I try using a free texting service with VOIP number. It often fails... and I understand that rentguys have a legit concern about scammers and time-wasters. Concerns about police are probably off-base; law enforcement can get real phone numbers.

 

But, for every legit potential client, there are probably multiple time-wasters

• There are the indecisives who repeatedly look but never follow through. After dozens of questions, they'll find a reason to decline.
  
• There are guys who get their jollies wasting time
  
• The contact is likely to be two 14-yo boys sitting in mom's basement howling at the hilarity of the chaos they believe they're creating.
  

All of the above are probably more likely to protect their identity, thereby dirtying the pool for legit hirers just being discreet. So, there's probably some degree of justification in a hireguy believing a real sms caller is less likely to be fake.

 

Getting a burner is probably the best advice. I'm unwilling to carry two phones... so I'll continue with my voip approach and accept the diminished possibilities.

[MikeBiDude]

All it takes is one escort to out right blackmail you with your own personal information

One of the best reasons to use the Burner App, as I do. There are escorts who WILL blackmail and threaten if you don’t fit their business model precisely.

[marylander1940]

So I text a potential companion. He asks a couple of questions, I respond. No reply. I text him a day later asking if he's not interested. I set the phone down, go take a piss. Phone rings, I miss the call. I text back sorry just missed your call, can call you back now. And here's his response:

 

This is a Google Voice Number. Fake ass scammer or cop. Try harder and maybe you'll catch one.

 

I guess he then blocked me because no further response to text or phone.

 

Is the scamming so bad that escorts don't understand that, as a client, i want to keep my number private? My personal number is used for personal and work calls and can easily be found on the internet. This is why I use Google Voice.

 

Unfortunately flakiness is among us and Google Voice has made it easier.

 

I don't know about scammers, but teasers, bargain hunters like the one who already posted on this thread, time wasters, etc. have flooded the escort scene.

[marylander1940]

One of the best reasons to use the Burner App, as I do. There are escorts who WILL blackmail and threaten if you don’t fit their business model precisely.

 

Get ready to go to back of the line. Some escorts won't make plans with someone using texting apps.

 

Truthfully, he just sounds super paranoid, frustrated, or both. I always encourage clients to look at the bigger picture when an escort replies out of anger. Potentially a slow day, lots of flakes, etc. It’s not about VoIP nor you.

 

No doubt but all professions/activities have time wasters and it pays to be nice and polite. Bad days happen but he shouldn't take it on someone inquiring about getting together it sounds moody, unstable, etc.

 

@Phactor if you really like him contact him using your own number and ask him to call you for a couple of minutes. I hope it works! Maybe he was just frustrated or had a no show... we all have bad days and overreact on folks who had nothing to do with it.

 

Sometimes we run out of trust and patience.

 

Going slightly off subject:

 

Take a look at how many folks wanted the OP of this thread to simply block the guy because of doing this... The even felt powerful suggesting the blocking. Crazy!

 

Potential stalker...

Edited August 2, 2019 by marylander1940

[hypothetically]

Living in Europe for going on 7 months now, and reading everyone’s comments in several similar threads it’s fascinating that Americans are so obsessed with discretion in contrast to Europeans; I have yet to encounter a VoIP or a burner number. Clients have albums of photos on advertising platforms and willingly give you door codes (as all residences require one for entry here in Paris). Yet the American client will drag you through the mud for being “short” or “cold” when someone with literally no identity and a fake number is blowing up your phone. I mean, I know why you’re doing it but looking at what I had to navigate in America from afar....it’s actually quite ridiculous that I had to be inconvenienced at such great lengths to ease someone’s paranoia or anxiety in the name of....”discretion.”

Edited August 2, 2019 by hypothetically

[MikeBiDude]

Living in Europe for going on 7 months now, and reading everyone’s comments in several similar threads it’s fascinating that Americans are so obsessed with discretion in contrast to Europeans; I have yet to encounter a VoIP or a burner number. Clients have albums of photos on advertising platforms and willingly give you door codes (as all residences require one for entry here in Paris). Yet the American client will drag you through the mud for being “short” or “cold” when someone with literally no identity and a fake number is blowing up your phone. I mean, I know why you’re doing it but looking at what I had to navigate in America from afar....it’s actually quite ridiculous that I had to be inconvenienced at such great lengths to ease someone’s paranoia or anxiety in the name of....”discretion.”

[+ Phactor]

 

If you want to sound atleast half way legit, try adding a personal voicemail to your number, and include your name.

 

I hadn't thought about that. Thanks for the tip!

[+ Phactor]

Truthfully, he just sounds super paranoid, frustrated, or both. I always encourage clients to look at the bigger picture when an escort replies out of anger. Potentially a slow day, lots of flakes, etc. It’s not about VoIP nor you.

 

Yeah, thanks. I tried to ease his concern by explaining why I missed his call and why he reached Google Voice. I even sent him a link to my RM user profile so he could see that I've been on the site for a few years and given two reviews. Alas, to no avail, I think he was just having a bad day.

[hypothetically]

In the United States (except in a few counties in Nevada) escorting is illegal and cops could get involved. As you pointed we're a more conservative society, most clients would never send a picture a provider.

 

Escorting is only legal in eight out of forty four European countries, sooo..

[marylander1940]

Escorting is only legal in eight out of forty four European countries, sooo..

 

Sooo is not as simple as you think:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe

 

 

You know what you're right, we Americans are fucked up and there's nothing good about us. You win! (sarcams).

[MrMattBig]

Yeah, thanks. I tried to ease his concern by explaining why I missed his call and why he reached Google Voice. I even sent him a link to my RM user profile so he could see that I've been on the site for a few years and given two reviews. Alas, to no avail, I think he was just having a bad day.

If you did all this and he still responded the way you quoted, it seems like he is ignorant and immature more than anything. Also, as tip, if it seems like the conversation has stalled, go ahead and take the initiative to try and finalize and confirm an appointment. A lot of people on both sides nowadays either don't know how to take initiative, or are reluctant to make a commitment. Saying something like "I am able to meet today, if you are available let me know" is better than "are you still interested" or "I guess you are not interested".

[rogerG]

I think he was just having a bad day.

The message he sent was RUDE and a false assumption. If a service provider sent me a message like this I would cross him off my list forever. I have no tolerance for rude assholes.

 

If you did all this and he still responded the way you quoted, it seems like he is ignorant and immature more than anything.

Thank you!

 

If a service provider doesn't use email, he won't be getting me as a customer. I don't own a smart phone. I hate using cell phones. Hate them. My fingers can't text. I've tried and I failed. I don't want that shit in my life.

 

I offer my cell phone number on the day before the appointment. My cell phone is only on when I plan to leave the apartment. It's not my main number. There's no name associated with my cell phone. If you Google the number nothing comes up. I'm not a flake customer. Not even close.

[Mocha]

Sooo is not as simple as you think:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe

 

You know what you're right, we Americans are fucked up and there's nothing good about us. You win! (sarcams).

 

Not so much fucked up, but continually repressed and in denial of their sexuality (hence that one article about the priest “sucking” demons out of men. People here go to church and try to act all holier than thou, but yeah are anything but.

 

Living in Nashville I seen a lot of it 1st hand. They’d be all on Facebook taking church photos, but on Saturday night they be out like you never knew. Like, how does one invite me out for a date, then I see him making out with another guy out the side of my eye, and then he goes home with me later? Oh...and you also sleep around with my friend, but yet your Facebook says, you graduated with a “bachelor of Christian studies”.

 

And that’s where the issue lies. So many people live double lives, and try to hide. In the process, they mistreat people along the way because they are fed in church that anyone living such a lifestyle, should not be “fellowshipped with”. It’s one thing to want to protect your privacy. We as escorts may not use our personal number, because it’s publicly accessible. I don’t even need to explain why that is a bigger issue than a client giving out a number to 1 or 2 providers.

 

And @down_to_business, you can’t compare escorts privacy to client’s privacy. Let’s be sensible here. Before the internet (and even during the Internet), the safety of someone selling sex was a lot more at risk than someone buying sex. That’s why there’s organizations like SWOP in nearly every major city.

[marylander1940]

Not so much fucked up, but continually repressed and in denial of their sexuality (hence that one article about the priest “sucking” demons out of men. People here go to church and try to act all holier than thou, but yeah are anything but.

 

Living in Nashville I seen a lot of it 1st hand. They’d be all on Facebook taking church photos, but on Saturday night they be out like you never knew. Like, how does one invite me out for a date, then I see him making out with another guy out the side of my eye, and then he goes home with me later? Oh...and you also sleep around with my friend, but yet your Facebook says, you graduated with a “bachelor of Christian studies”.

 

And that’s where the issue lies. So many people live double lives, and try to hide. In the process, they mistreat people along the way because they are fed in church that anyone living such a lifestyle, should not be “fellowshipped with”. It’s one thing to want to protect your privacy. We as escorts may not use our personal number, because it’s publicly accessible. I don’t even need to explain why that is a bigger issue than a client giving out a number to 1 or 2 providers.

 

And @down_to_business, you can’t compare escorts privacy to client’s privacy. Let’s be sensible here. Before the internet (and even during the Internet), the safety of someone selling sex was a lot more at risk than someone buying sex. That’s why there’s organizations like SWOP in nearly every major city.

 

Hypocrisy our national sin... I don't want to bring politics on this forum but we all know what I'm talking about.

[hypothetically]

Sooo is not as simple as you think:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe

 

 

You know what you're right, we Americans are fucked up and there's nothing good about us. You win! (sarcams).

Sooo is not as simple as you think:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe

 

 

You know what you're right, we Americans are fucked up and there's nothing good about us. You win! (sarcams).

Sooo is not as simple as you think:

 

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You didn’t actually make a point. My argument was that escorting is not widely accepted nor anymore legal in Europe as you insinuated it was in your comment. And France is an extremely conservative society. They won’t even talk about sex publicly.

[marylander1940]

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You didn’t actually make a point. My argument was that escorting is not widely accepted nor anymore legal in Europe as you insinuated it was in your comment. And France is an extremely conservative society. They won’t even talk about sex publicly.

 

Take a look at the map again.

 

2 or 3 counties legal, 3,000 counties illegal. That's not similar to Europe. I'm sure in most states and cities cops don't care.

[hypothetically]

Take a look at the map again.

 

2 or 3 counties legal, 3,000 counties illegal. That's not similar to Europe. I'm sure in most states and cities cops don't care.

 

Prostitution is only legal in eight counties in Nevada. And it is brothel prostitution. Not sure where you’re fact-pulling from. Drop the source.