What's the beef about VoIP numbers, like Google Voice?

[marylander1940]

Prostitution is only legal in eight counties in Nevada. And it is brothel prostitution. Not sure where you’re fact-pulling from. Drop the source.

 

Actually is 9 counties, thanks for the update. Btw I already posted a link in the map you missed.

 

My point 9 counties out of 3,142.

 

In some European countries and cities prostitution is not legal on the streets, but brothels and ads appear on the local paper. It must be done at home, hotel, etc.

[rogerG]

you can’t compare escorts privacy to client’s privacy. Let’s be sensible here.

Yes you can compare the two. Smart, sensible customers care deeply about their privacy. I know I do. Escorts make a HUGE mistake assuming their privacy is more important than the customer's. I would put the two on equal footing. A customer who doesn't care about his privacy is probably thinking with the brain in his cock, not the one in his head. If that's the kind of customer you want, then be careful what you wish for.

[hypothetically]

Actually is 9 counties, thanks for the update. Btw I already posted a link in the map you missed.

 

My point 9 counties out of 3,142.

 

In some European countries and cities prostitution is not legal on the streets, but brothels and ads appear on the local paper. It must be done at home, hotel, etc.

 

I always love when you start talking out of your ass with no credible source in sight lol

[marylander1940]

I always love when you start talking out of your ass with no credible source in sight lol

 

I better quote you before you edit.

 

That wasn't a wholeheartedly expression.

 

do you need a link to the number of counties in the U.S.A.?

 

Barcelona declared illegal street prostitution a few years ago. Why bother posting a link if you haven't seen the map yet. You don't post a link to all the facts you comment either.

 

prostitution in Nevada.

[Mocha]

Yes you can compare the two. Smart, sensible customers care deeply about their privacy. I know I do. Escorts make a HUGE mistake assuming their privacy is more important than the customer's. I would put the two on equal footing. A customer who doesn't care about his privacy is probably thinking with the brain in his cock, not the one in his head. If that's the kind of customer you want, then be careful what you wish for.

 

I’m not saying that clients privacy doesn’t matter. I’M saying it’s usually NOT FOR THE SAME REASONS. And yes, I’m well aware that nowadays in M4M situations, it seems like the client is usually the victim moreso than the provider...and I’ve heard stories of clients getting swindled than the other way around. BUT, there’s more evidence that we need to be a bit more savvy about our safety, than that of the client. And a client concealing their identity, should be cause for atleast 0.001 gram of suspicion. And we’re just going to not put emphasis on the fact that these stories are older and more focused on women victims.

 

1. https://www.lifedeathprizes.com/real-life-crime/killers-who-targeted-prostitutes-63688

 

2.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/17726177

 

3.https://unsolved.com/gallery/prostitute-serial-killer/

 

4.https://www.bustle.com/articles/194623-why-do-serial-killers-target-sex-workers-the-killing-season-explores-this-tragic-type-of-crime

 

That’s just 4 articles. Should I post more? Sure, why not. How about the Boston Craigslist killer:

 

https://the-line-up.com/the-craigslist-killer-a-charming-medical-student-turned-murderer

[down_to_business]

@Mocha - I am not saying escorts should give up their privacy. What I am saying is both sides should be equally respectful of each other's privacy and understand that both sides have a very valid reason for wanting to protect it.

 

I was a whole lot more sympathetic and understanding towards your side of it until that one escort came along and almost ruined my life with his blackmail attempt and threats against me, telling me he knows my name, he knows where I work, he knows where I live (and so much worse that I don't care to re-live) It was a living nightmare for me and one that I will do whatever it takes to never repeat again.

 

So as far as privacy issues go, I give an unequivocal NO to the idea that clients should be forced to shoulder all of the risk in these situations and that is what some of you seem to be feeling entitled to. That is not ok. especially if we are going to meet for one hour in a hotel room. All you need to know is that if I make an appointment with an escort, I am going to show up, like I always have and like I do for all my obligations and commitments that I make.

 

I also want to make it clear that as the relationship between the escort and client grows, so will the trust. I had an escort who I trusted enough to come stay with me for 2 weeks while I recovered from surgery. He drove me home (in my own car) while I was still groggy from anesthesia, and I even trusted him with my opioid RX after my surgery. We shared real names, phone numbers, and I allowed him to stay at my home while I was away at work etc.. without any fear of him doing anything. But that trust is earned and given mutually - not demanded - and not from day 1 hour 1 of meeting him.

 

Also. I wanted to share that a different escort was the one that got me to start using Google Voice in the first place. Yes, it was his advice and suggestion. As far as I am concerned, VoIP saves lives.

Edited August 3, 2019 by down_to_business

[+ Keith30309]

This thread made me curious about my number and how long I’ve had it... my oldest text was Oct 30, 2017. Not too bad. I’ve given it to, probably, about 75 professional escorts and had maybe 2-3 dustups in this time where there was some strong disagreement about something but no one has ever stalked me or threatened to drive by my house. That said, I view that number as a tiny insurance policy that buys me a little bit of privacy. I don’t inherently think every guy is a scammer/lunatic until proven otherwise but it buys me some piece of mind.

 

(I did however create a second number for SA guys when I found that some of them had pretty strong emotional reactions - negative and positive - and lots of spare time to kill.)

 

When I’m thinking about meeting someone I always check out their number. It’s almost always a virtual number of some kind and it doesn’t bother me at all, just like no matches on a reverse image lookup. It’s just one of many datapoints. If I were an escort I’d absolutely have a couple of numbers at least... one I publish in my profile and a second that I give to trusted regulars in case I have to burn the first one.

Edited August 3, 2019 by Keith30309

[MrMattBig]

Like a lot of things VoiP numbers can be viewed with positives and negatives from both sides. Also both sides have tendencies to jump to conclusions and misinterpret facts relating to VoiP numbers and privacy in general. Like the provider mentioned in the OP jumping to conclusions about the OP being a flake or cop, and the way some here felt I was invading their privacy when one of the text fields on a website form asked for their name. Even though I never have asked for anyone's real name ever, just something to call another so it's not awkward.

[rogerG]

I’m not saying that clients privacy doesn’t matter. I’M saying it’s usually NOT FOR THE SAME REASONS.

It doesn't have to be for the same reasons for privacy to be equally important to both parties. My sex life is my private life. If I don't want family, friends, co-workers, or nosey law enforcement to know about it, then it's my responsibility to take my privacy very seriously. It does not matter if my reasons align with the escort's.

 

I have no problem respecting an escort's reasons. I have never asked for an escort's real name. If he does an incall, I have never shared his address with anyone. If a relationship is going to work and be successful, respect must be present on both sides.

 

both sides have tendencies to jump to conclusions and misinterpret facts relating to VoiP numbers and privacy in general

That's true. There can be mistrust on both sides, especially when dealing with someone new. It pays to take extra time and care with someone new. However, a PNP escort may not be sober enough to show patience. Some escorts are only out to hustle.

 

We are often told on this board to trust the reviews and the established members who speak with experience. If you choose to take one for the team, that guy can be exposing himself to more risk.

 

I have an alias email with the same alias name when booking. It's the same name associated with my Rentmen profile. In a private email, I can send instant photos of myself that prove the Rentmen profile is mine. In an email I can speak frankly and privately. I have no problem answering an escort's questions. With this approach, no one in my life can catch me conversing with an escort. No one has access to my private email account.

 

I consider myself a great customer. I pay upfront. I'm respectful. I'm clean. I'm not demanding. If I feel you are sloppy at business, especially if you are rude or you enjoy playing rude or cocky, you're cut from my list. If you quickly and wrongly assume that I'm something other than what I am, I move on to another escort who behaves better.

[Mocha]

Meh. I guess it’s a personal decision. I just know all of my last dozen clients have all been transparent. @rogerG , Everybody’s sex life is private. Nobody is walking around with “SLUT” on their forehead, unless you’re into NastyPig branded accessories, which is nothing wrong with that either. @down_to_business , it doesn’t matter if you’re meeting an escort for 1 hour or 5 seconds. Again, speaking of the Craigslist killer. It was just 1 hour, in a hotel room.

 

Both of you sound like honest to goodness clients, and I’m not denying your sense of security and privacy. But non of what y’all are saying validates using a phantom number. My last dozen or so clients have used fully identifiable numbers. One was even a stylist for a FAMOUS musician. A musician who I just seen at a music store who was listed under “best selling artist of all time”. I’ve also met an Oscar winner client as well, all identifiable numbers. So....what you trying to tell me??

 

In my experience, 65% of the time a client is using a burner number, is often on some bullshit. Those be the ones who contact, make an appointment, and flake. Or it’s some weirdo who books, and then blocks escorts halfway thru the booking process (people do that shit too) And then they try to hide behind the guise of “being private”. Or they’re the type who will try to walk out without paying...thinking the escort will never find them.

 

The other 35% of those are clients who live overseas and come to the states on occasion, and have a valid reason to. Or they are extremely high/low profile, and the wife handles EVERYTHING, and she probably already knows anyway. Unless it’s those 2, I just can’t see the reason.

[marylander1940]

Use Burner

 

https://www.burnerapp.com/

 

It's easier to use and you can quickly create and drop phone numbers in seconds.

 

Please don’t tell them or they’ll be encouraged to be flaky because they can get away with it

[+ oldNbusted]

I view that number as a tiny insurance policy that buys me a little bit of privacy.

 

I'm not so worried about the guys I've met, at worst they have seemed a little careless, so I'm mostly worried some third party is going to get my info off their phone or computer.

[+ FrankR]

Please don’t tell them or they’ll be encouraged to be flaky because they can get away with it

This was in the USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2019/09/07/heres-why-you-may-need-burner-phone/2220461001/

 

There are many reasons to have multiple numbers and it should not encourage bad behavior. ?

[marylander1940]

This was in the USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2019/09/07/heres-why-you-may-need-burner-phone/2220461001/

 

There are many reasons to have multiple numbers and it should not encourage bad behavior. ?

 

Good luck to you dating and dealing with other people if this becomes a common practice.

[Mocha]

I have an update to this thread:

 

I recently ported out the number I was using for my phone thru a VOIP for the past couple years, and moved it to regular service. Reason being, I was having occasional reports of clients not receiving my messages, and when I would send long messages, they would be sent in multiple messages.

 

I had a client send me a picture of how my messages were coming in, with 4 messages for 1 message being sent, and the 3rd one showing up missing.

 

Once I noticed that, I immediately begin the switching process. Took me about 3-4 days to get the number ported out of the VOIP, but I carried a spare phone anyway in case the service ever went out of business. I was glad to be able to keep the same number though.

 

Also as of late, I’ve not come across a client with a VOIP number in awhile. At some point, they may be classified as private numbers like @Kevin Slater as mentioned: don’t answer.

[carnalvore]

I’m not saying that clients privacy doesn’t matter. I’M saying it’s usually NOT FOR THE SAME REASONS. And yes, I’m well aware that nowadays in M4M situations, it seems like the client is usually the victim moreso than the provider...and I’ve heard stories of clients getting swindled than the other way around. BUT, there’s more evidence that we need to be a bit more savvy about our safety, than that of the client. And a client concealing their identity, should be cause for atleast 0.001 gram of suspicion. And we’re just going to not put emphasis on the fact that these stories are older and more focused on women victims.

 

1. https://www.lifedeathprizes.com/real-life-crime/killers-who-targeted-prostitutes-63688

 

2.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/17726177

 

3.https://unsolved.com/gallery/prostitute-serial-killer/

 

4.https://www.bustle.com/articles/194623-why-do-serial-killers-target-sex-workers-the-killing-season-explores-this-tragic-type-of-crime

 

That’s just 4 articles. Should I post more? Sure, why not. How about the Boston Craigslist killer:

 

https://the-line-up.com/the-craigslist-killer-a-charming-medical-student-turned-murderer

 

there have been killer escorts as well Such as here and also Andrew Cunanan so I don’t think your statement about disparate needs for safety.

[Mocha]

there have been killer escorts as well Such as here and also Andrew Cunanan so I don’t think your statement about disparate needs for safety.

 

Well if it makes a difference, I understand nowadays most people use VOIP for privacy and not for anything sinister.

 

However I did have a person the other day attempt to schedule an appointment, and kept chatting via email and would only give me the hotel phone number, with no room number. He wasn’t dangerous, but ended up being a royal pain in the ass. Took two hours to send me the proper room number and name (which every hotel requires before they’ll transfer someone to a room, as if he didn’t know that), in what could have been a 5 second text. Of course, no meeting occurred.

 

So sometimes it’s not about safety, but more of...how does this Mofo plan to waste my time by concealing his number? And most EVERY VoIP user I’ve come across has eventually bullshitted their way into my schedule.

 

I have had exceptions here and there, but less often than not.