What do you think of this as a business practice?

[tenderloin]

https://rentmen.eu/red_jose/

 

So this is the essence of an exchange I had with this guy via RM message:

 

Me - can you please tell me your rates?

Him - $XXX

Me - That is beyond my budget. Thanks anyway.

Him - what are you looking to pay?

Me - My budget is $YYY, but I am not trying to haggle.

Him - I will do that if you can meet soon. When are you ready to meet?

Me - great. I need a little time to shower and get ready. Can we meet at 7 PM? Here is the address....

Him - OK, see you soon

Me - (30 mins before meeting) Everything on track? Ready to go?

Him - No. Cancel. I have someone who will pay my full rate + $100.

Me - $#%&%$#

 

Just curious as to what you service providers would have done in that situation. Is it a totally free market, or do you feel bound by a commitment already made?

[+ OliverSaks]

Bad long term business practice and dick move.

 

Keep commitments and if something real comes up, at least apologize and offer a deal for you in the future

[rogerG]

I agree with OliverSaks.

[Mocha]

https://rentmen.eu/red_jose/

 

So this is the essence of an exchange I had with this guy via RM message:

 

Me - can you please tell me your rates?

Him - $XXX

Me - That is beyond my budget. Thanks anyway.

Him - what are you looking to pay?

Me - My budget is $YYY, but I am not trying to haggle.

Him - I will do that if you can meet soon. When are you ready to meet?

Me - great. I need a little time to shower and get ready. Can we meet at 7 PM? Here is the address....

Him - OK, see you soon

Me - (30 mins before meeting) Everything on track? Ready to go?

Him - No. Cancel. I have someone who will pay my full rate + $100.

Me - $#%&%$#

 

Just curious as to what you service providers would have done in that situation. Is it a totally free market, or do you feel bound by a commitment already made?

 

I didn’t look at the guy’s ad because it’s irrelevant to this conversation.

 

However, I say not a good approach on both parts...you and him, unfortunately. If this message is verbatim, There was no introduction from you when you asked for rates, and there was no finding of info from you on his part.

 

Sometimes I want to say to clients who gawk at prices, “don’t ask a question if you’re not prepared to hear the answer”. that’s not to be rude, but that’s basically just saying...before you jump right to asking for rates, try to feel out the situation. Include info about yourself, maybe offer what you CAN afford and see if you and he can meet close to it. Like when people (usually timewasters) ask, “how much?”. How much for what??? That deads the conversation and any chance of a meeting happening.

 

I feel like people who ask a price and then decline when I say it, it comes off like they’re on a “hunt” and not really using much discernment.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Mocha

[rogerG]

My budget is $YYY, but I am not trying to haggle.

There was absolutely nothing rude about this response to the escort's question. In fact, by saying that he was not trying to haggle, the OP showed upmost respect. When it comes to money, if you don't ask, you don't know. I'm not wealthy, so if a product is not in my budget, I'm not shy about letting the seller know. If the seller comes back with a counter offer, even though I didn't request one, I respect the seller more for gifting me with the benefit of any doubt. With that added respect, I'm more eager and excited to make the sale.

[tenderloin]

I didn’t look at the guy’s ad because it’s irrelevant to this conversation.

 

However, I say not a good approach on both parts...you and him, unfortunately. If this message is verbatim, There was no introduction from you when you asked for rates, and there was no finding of info from you on his part.

 

Sometimes I want to say to clients who gawk at prices, “don’t ask a question if you’re not prepared to hear the answer”. that’s not to be rude, but that’s basically just saying...before you jump right to asking for rates, try to feel out the situation. Include info about yourself, maybe offer what you CAN afford and see if you and he can meet close to it. Like when people (usually timewasters) ask, “how much?”. How much for what??? That deads the conversation and any chance of a meeting happening.

 

I feel like people who ask a price and then decline when I say it, it comes off like they’re on a “hunt” and not really using much discernment.

 

As a client it is awful tough to know how to approach this. I have tried the more conversational approach ("Hi, I am a middle aged professional guy and I really love your profile. I am looking for....") and I often get back a curt "cut to the chase" type of response.

 

As for your comment about not asking a question if I am not prepared to hear the answer... well, I don't know what to do with that. RM doesn't list rates. The reality is that $400 an hour or more is beyond my budget. I don't want to waste a guy's time if he thinks he can get that on the market. But I respect his right to run his business the way it works for him. I hate fee discussions because I don't want to disrespect a guy by suggesting a lower rate.

Edited September 5, 2019 by tenderloin

[rogerG]

The reality is that $400 an hour or more is beyond my budget.

Mine too. Plus, I will never be that desperate for cock.

[+ WilliamM]

I didn’t look at the guy’s ad because it’s irrelevant to this conversation.

 

However, I say not a good approach on both parts...you and him, unfortunately. If this message is verbatim, There was no introduction from you when you asked for rates, and there was no finding of info from you on his part.

 

Sometimes I want to say to clients who gawk at prices, “don’t ask a question if you’re not prepared to hear the answer”. that’s not to be rude, but that’s basically just saying...before you jump right to asking for rates, try to feel out the situation. Include info about yourself, maybe offer what you CAN afford and see if you and he can meet close to it. Like when people (usually timewasters) ask, “how much?”. How much for what??? That deads the conversation and any chance of a meeting happening.

 

I feel like people who ask a price and then decline when I say it, it comes off like they’re on a “hunt” and not really using much discernment.

 

Strange answer for people who know you from this site, and consider hiring you.

 

Several years ago I had to negotiate with a provider I knew for here. I liked him for his personality and sex appeal. We were never able to agree on an amount ☹️.

 

To be fair, I could not afford his quoted amount even when he compromised. Yet, we still know each from this site, and it did not change our relationship here.

[+ oldNbusted]

Not an escort....

 

As I see it, the business practice in question is the provider agreeing to a meeting the provider has no intention of keeping as a way to punish someone who said they didn't want to pay the full rate. It might seem immature, but if it gets people to change their ways, maybe the guy thinks it's effective? At the very least, it likely means you won't contact him again.

 

If you've read some of my posts, you know I drop communication as soon as it's anything is not working out. If someone responds to me with anything that doesn't work for me, I don't write back. Not because I don't know that saying thank you is polite but because I respect the guys enough to not put messages in their inbox that aren't going anywhere. They all get more than enough of that, and I am sure that if they even notice I didn't reply, they might actually think better of me for it. But who knows. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Doesn't really matter, it's a very small thing.

 

But that's me, not you, and you sent a response, as most people probably do. I'm going to say that when you included "That is beyond my budget." in your reply, while we can assume good faith and that it is true, saying this to him is unnecessary editorialization. I would say your not meeting is sufficient negative feedback. Your reasons for not meeting don't matter to anyone but you. By explicitly mentioning it, you invited a followup question, and when you responded to that with a lower number and then agreeing to a meeting when he accepted your lower number, you were haggling, while literally saying you weren't trying to haggle. I'm not meaning to be harsh here, but it seems like you might not be aware how you came across in this convo. He decided to mess with you in a clumsy fashion, the "rate + $100" kicker was his unnecessary editorialization on your number. Just my thoughts, nothing personal.

 

BTW, I'm thinking Rafa is licking his chops at the Open, with Joker and FedEx out...

[+ OliverSaks]

Much prefer hearing “no thanks” than someone just falling off and not replying like you mention, just my 0.02 - text convo gets trashed and a loose end is tied up in my mind

 

Also, definitely don’t mind hearing why someone chooses not to hire me - it is often the budget in some smaller markets, and I would rather have more information than less to help keep me current on trends in the biz

 

Not an escort....

 

As I see it, the business practice in question is the provider agreeing to a meeting the provider has no intention of keeping as a way to punish someone who said they didn't want to pay the full rate. It might seem immature, but if it gets people to change their ways, maybe the guy thinks it's effective? At the very least, it likely means you won't contact him again.

 

If you've read some of my posts, you know I drop communication as soon as it's anything is not working out. If someone responds to me with anything that doesn't work for me, I don't write back. Not because I don't know that saying thank you is polite but because I respect the guys enough to not put messages in their inbox that aren't going anywhere. They all get more than enough of that, and I am sure that if they even notice I didn't reply, they might actually think better of me for it. But who knows. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Doesn't really matter, it's a very small thing.

 

But that's me, not you, and you sent a response, as most people probably do. I'm going to say that when you included "That is beyond my budget." in your reply, while we can assume good faith and that it is true, saying this to him is unnecessary editorialization. I would say your not meeting is sufficient negative feedback. Your reasons for not meeting don't matter to anyone but you. By explicitly mentioning it, you invited a followup question, and when you responded to that with a lower number and then agreeing to a meeting when he accepted your lower number, you were haggling, while literally saying you weren't trying to haggle. I'm not meaning to be harsh here, but it seems like you might not be aware how you came across in this convo. He decided to mess with you in a clumsy fashion, the "rate + $100" kicker was his unnecessary editorialization on your number. Just my thoughts, nothing personal.

 

BTW, I'm thinking Rafa is licking his chops at the Open, with Joker and FedEx out...

[jjkrkwood]

People SHOP for things...they shop for homes, cars, insurance, almost EVERYTHING...so why should shopping for the best price escort be any different ? On the other hand escorting is a business...the escort is not out to make friends, he is out to make money, so I really cant fault him for ALSO taking the best deal that comes his way.... It's shitty but think about it !

[LookingAround]

Who else thinks the OP really did want to haggle? I don’t believe the “I don’t want to haggle” line as you immediately negotiated and then are upset when he dumped you at your low ball price. Just sayin’

 

If you want first class service don’t fly Spirit.

[+ Keith30309]

These discussions make me cringe.

 

When i reach out to someone i almost always propose a date and time in my first message and inquire about a 2/3-hour amount in my second.

Occasionally the amount is more than I’m comfortable with and I politely decline and thank him for his time.

 

There have been a few occasions when someone asks for a counter-proposal and I get really uncomfortable with anything remotely resembling haggling. My rationale is that if either of us feels the least bit cheated - too little or too much - then the time together may have an undercurrent of resentment and be less than stellar. This is an unfortunate lose/lose. I don’t know of any way to turn this situation around.

[tenderloin]

Who else thinks the OP really did want to haggle? I don’t believe the “I don’t want to haggle” line as you immediately negotiated and then are upset when he dumped you at your low ball price. Just sayin’

 

If you want first class service don’t fly Spirit.

 

sorry but you are wrong. My reply was "sorry, that is beyond my budget" That is a no thanks. He came back to me. I did not initially make a counter offer, and was in fact surprised when he replied. I replied when he asked me to give him my budget.

[jjkrkwood]

sorry but you are wrong. My reply was "sorry, that is beyond my budget" That is a no thanks. He came back to me. I did not initially make a counter offer, and was in fact surprised when he replied. I replied when he asked me to give him my budget.

 

Even so, the escort is never certain you will become a repeat client, so it should be HIS goal to maximize his profits, and take the best deal possible.

It is not uncommon in business for appts to be changed or rearranged to accommodate the "better offer".... If you are gonna be a player in the escort game, put on your Big girl panties and just roll with the flow.... Its really not YOU that has the upper hand here, and it probably wont be the last time this sort of thing happens..

[LookingAround]

For someone who claims he doesn’t want to haggle, you haggled then complained when it didn’t go well.

[MiamiLooker]

sorry but you are wrong. My reply was "sorry, that is beyond my budget" That is a no thanks. He came back to me. I did not initially make a counter offer, and was in fact surprised when he replied. I replied when he asked me to give him my budget.

It shouldn’t matter who initiated the negotiation. You’re both adults. You mutually reached an agreement on the price. I doubt he was forced into the decision. It was a win-win situation until he got what he considered to be a better offer. He made a business decision to breach the agreement.

[tenderloin]

For someone who claims he doesn’t want to haggle, you haggled then complained when it didn’t go well.

 

No, I didn't haggle, and I didn't complain. I asked a question of this group. I thought that was what this forum was for.

[MrMattBig]

https://rentmen.eu/red_jose/

 

So this is the essence of an exchange I had with this guy via RM message:

 

Me - can you please tell me your rates?

Him - $XXX

Me - That is beyond my budget. Thanks anyway.

Him - what are you looking to pay?

Me - My budget is $YYY, but I am not trying to haggle.

Him - I will do that if you can meet soon. When are you ready to meet?

Me - great. I need a little time to shower and get ready. Can we meet at 7 PM? Here is the address....

Him - OK, see you soon

Me - (30 mins before meeting) Everything on track? Ready to go?

Him - No. Cancel. I have someone who will pay my full rate + $100.

Me - $#%&%$#

 

Just curious as to what you service providers would have done in that situation. Is it a totally free market, or do you feel bound by a commitment already made?

Anyone think this escort may have had the intention doing this from the start after the budget was stated?

"Clients" do this periodically...after I state my rate or availability they chime in that they have someone hotter coming immediately and for a lesser rate. What is the probability that all that lined up within 5 minutes?? It's mostly just to rub in my face that I am not getting their money...perhaps the escort was doing the same and running in your face that you were not getting to meet them.

 

Cynical I know, but the things humans are capable of...

[Mocha]

Anyone think this escort may have had the intention doing this from the start after the budget was stated?

"Clients" do this periodically...after I state my rate or availability they chime in that they have someone hotter coming immediately and for a lesser rate. What is the probability that all that lined up within 5 minutes?? It's mostly just to rub in my face that I am not getting their money...perhaps the escort was doing the same and running in your face that you were not getting to meet them.

 

Cynical I know, but the things humans are capable of...

 

That’s what I’m saying, and that’s why I said bad approach on both parts.

 

I’ll give @tenderloin some credit, he did at least state his budget, and did say he didn’t want to haggle...and even agreed to meet the escort for his stated budget. However...when he added “but” to not trying to haggle, it also kind of made it seem like he was doing exactly what you mentioned. Whether or not that was the case is debatable. I think “I don’t have that much, but would you be open to consider $XXX” would have been better than “my budget is $XXX, but I’m not trying to haggle”. That little change of sentence changes the whole demeanor of the question.

 

However, the “escort” in question certainly pulled a dick move by withdrawing the offer and adding that someone else was willing to pay $100 extra. And within that short time period? It sounds sketchy as fuck. So I’m not taking sides with him either.

[Mocha]

Strange answer for people who know you from this site, and consider hiring you.

 

Several years ago I had to negotiate with a provider I knew for here. I liked him for his personality and sex appeal. We were never able to agree on an amount ☹️.

 

To be fair, I could not afford his quoted amount even when he compromised. Yet, we still know each from this site, and it did not change our relationship here.

 

What’s strange about it? My point was if someone has in mind a certain budget, don’t ask what their rate is right off the bat. First get the basics out the way, something like “hi, my name is” and “are you able to host or come to me”, and “what length of sessions do you offer, 30 min, 60 min. 90 min?” then talk about he money part. That goes a long way from just texting someone off the bat asking what their rate is.

 

It’s been working for me. I rarely tell someone my rate off the bat. It’s like when you call a lawyer, they never tell you their rates off the bat. You have to chat, feel out the situation, and then have options. I have on several occasions done stuff for $100/$150 if the client just wants something very simple, and it’s not going to interfere with any other appointments.

 

But again, I don’t think the provider in question was honest anyway...and like I’ve said before, don’t believe every person on Rentmen is. I will never forget: I had a client arrange a 3som session with me and a White girl. She walked in, got her $200 upfront, and then said that’s just her agency fee for coming, if he wants to do anything else, she needs another $200 for any sex. She never even took her clothes off and only me and the client ended up doing a little vanilla. He just wanted to have a girl in the room watching him do it. And she got it. I didn’t necessarily agree with it, but I don’t think he necessarily told her I was going to be there...so I wouldn’t blame her.

Edited September 5, 2019 by Mocha

[rogerG]

Anyone think this escort may have had the intention doing this from the start after the budget was stated?

Cynical is to think that everyone gets off on playing games. Unfortunately, the reality that a small bunch do is something you can't ignore. A bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.

 

"Clients" do this periodically...after I state my rate or availability they chime in that they have someone hotter coming immediately and for a lesser rate. It's mostly just to rub in my face that I am not getting their money

Bad, rude behavior from an asshole rarely surprises me these days. Our culture is going through a serious debasing. I hope we can find our way out someday soon, and do it without enduring a war.

 

I may not be a wealthy customer, but it would never occur to me to be rude and obnoxious with an escort who treated me with respect.

 

Assholes exist everywhere. They're at airports. They're at shopping malls. They're at Neiman Marcus. They're at Walmart. When you service the public for a living, you are bound to encounter an asshole.

 

The biggest mistake one can make in the service business is to assume that everyone is an asshole. The dividends can be high if you assume the opposite. The best you can do when encountering an asshole is to find a way to politely let him go without burning any bridges. Never give an asshole a reason to stalk you. Once you get rid of him, be grateful. Try to focus on your best customers.

Edited September 5, 2019 by rogerG

[sexypee]

https://rentmen.eu/red_jose/

 

So this is the essence of an exchange I had with this guy via RM message:

 

Me - can you please tell me your rates?

Him - $XXX

Me - That is beyond my budget. Thanks anyway.

Him - what are you looking to pay?

Me - My budget is $YYY, but I am not trying to haggle.

Him - I will do that if you can meet soon. When are you ready to meet?

Me - great. I need a little time to shower and get ready. Can we meet at 7 PM? Here is the address....

Him - OK, see you soon

Me - (30 mins before meeting) Everything on track? Ready to go?

Him - No. Cancel. I have someone who will pay my full rate + $100.

Me - $#%&%$#

 

Just curious as to what you service providers would have done in that situation. Is it a totally free market, or do you feel bound by a commitment already made?

 

 

Sounds like someone who’ll work for any thing during his lull periods...

[coriolis888]

 

Anyone think this escort may have had the intention doing this from the start after the budget was stated?

 

Cynical I know, but the things humans are capable of...

 

 

I thought that immediately after reading the comment that the provider claimed he was getting an extra $100 from a different client.

 

How transparent of the escort. How bogus.

[jjkrkwood]

Any of you Saints on your soap boxes would have done exactly the same thing the escort did.... mo money, mo money, so stop frontin !