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To-mate-o to-matto… Would a rose by any other name… One man’s trash is another man’s treasure… The whole copy/pasted article from “The Hill” drips of value judgement.

The judgment is strong in this thread! 😳

@Km411– There’s a distinction between what’s what allowed and what’s good. It might be allowed per the rules to be crassly and even rudely direct, but it doesn’t foster goodwill or camaraderie. You’re free to say many things, but it doesn’t mean you should; and oftentimes it’s best if some things are simply left unsaid. What’s to be gained by voicing an indirect insult (or a direct one)? Tearing down someone to build yourself up might be allowed, but is that really what you want to do? I suppose some do, but in my book that’s what we call bullying. Making other people feel bad, especially by resorting to personal attacks, direct or otherwise, is just bullying. I don’t value it. There’s too much nastiness in the world already at the hands of insecure bullies to say it’s okay. Again, it might be allowed, but certainly doesn’t mean it’s a good, valuable thing.

I like to get the money talk out of the way with guys. I say something along the lines, “Money talk is vulgar, but it’s necessary. Let’s get it out of the way and move on.” It acknowledges the elephant in the room and makes it at least dealable. On the flip side, you have guys, young and old alike, who immediately want to discuss money and that sends the sometimes not-so-subliminal message this isn’t about providing a service for them but about cashing in. I don’t hire those guys either. I’m not an ATM.

A bit late to the game here… 1. I don’t think P-Town is all that it’s cracked up to be. 2. Did you go, @PhileasFogg?

I love Hawaii. We did Oahu last May. I took my regular. A fabulous trip. Be sure to do the Jurassic Park tour at Kualoa Ranch.

When I attended Sunday worship at St. Peter’s at the Vatican in 2010, I didn’t even have to go through security. Worshippers were given precedence and allowed to go right in. Tourists had to adhere to the typical waiting and security.

I mean…I’m Christian, quite devout in fact. So let’s not paint with broad brushstrokes here!

People are by and large irresponsible. Blame someone else. Find fault. Ignore. Whatever the case, many people are too lazy, immature, and cowardly to face the confrontational discomfort of breaking a commitment because they recognize it’s not cool.

See. That might be the case. But I’m of the mind that a commitment made is something you honor out of respect and courtesy for the person you committed to. Regardless if it’s escorting or plans with friends or whatever. It’s also annoying to me when people won’t commit to plans with me with “I’ll have to see” because it’s right there at the forefront of my mind that they’re holding out for something better and don’t want to have to cancel on me if said something better in fact presents itself. (No need to point out the myriad other reasons they might say that; I’m already aware. I’m speaking of what’s my immediate guttural response to said noncommittal.) Your commentary reminds me of a line from “The Cremation of Sam McGee”—“Now a promise made is a debt unpaid…”

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This must be a trending topic. It flashed across my Apple News a bit ago. Honestly, this isn’t anything I would have even thought of before I read about…Not surprised by it, but it just never entered my mind. I can see this showing up on Botched in a few years. I can’t imagine how painful this must be!

I’m not looking to have my time monetized. I’d be worried if I said anything about collaboration that it might end up “out there” despite being clear after the fact – if indeed “collaboration” is the magic word. Do we know this from widespread anecdotal experience that “collaboration” is the shibboleth?

He’ll figure it out. Sink or swim. It’s not my/our responsibility to help him figure that out. Furthermore, from my experience, trying to discuss insights as a client with a provider always ends up with the provider either ignoring me or saying I can look elsewhere “for inferior service.” Some of you may want to help, but not me. I will help my repeat guys in other ways, but not in how to determine cost. And I’m definitely not investing my time into helping a guy I haven’t met yet and who’s new to all this to understand his approach to pricing is wrong. Again, he’ll figure it out. Sink or swim.

As @Simon Suraci laid out about the prep, I take that into consideration when determining if a rate is fair. I know my expectations for our time together and I know the escort, while working, gets a lot of perks in his time with me. That’s fine. I enjoy the pampering element of cooking and double things. But it’s a perk nonetheless. And if hr is with me multiple days, all that prep work Simon describes is eliminated. (And I also wouldn’t object to him taking a nap – I do! And I’m not saying “nap” 😂) All this to say, if I ask a provider what he would want for 3 nights and he replies “350/hr” or goes the extra half step to multiply it out (which, shit you not, I’ve had guys tell me $25k for three nights) I’m like, incompatible.

I don’t think some of these guys really are businessmen. They want to be treated seriously as businessmen, setting prices etc. but the obligations of business they shrug off. Like any business that doesn’t follow standard baseline business practices, they will fail or at minimum, be hugely unsuccessful.

I do. My regular is very generous. What I’m saying is the overnight rates I have been quoted recently have all been on the upper end here or more. It is good to know the market rate.

Reading this thread and seeing some comments from providers like @Simon Suracimakes me feel like I definitely have been taken advantage as a client. This is a good reason for me to stick with my regular.

I find the lackadaisical approach isn’t going to jive with my personality for an extended visit. That would be a bad sign for me too. Another bad sign is when you have to ask several times for the overnight rate before you get told what it is. Any number of reasons for that reticence runs through my mind, not the least among them a lack of professionalism.

Re: hooker v. provider/escort One is low-class and out to make a buck. It definitely carries a negative overtone. And some sex workers do in fact fit that bill. The other provides a quality experience and is enjoyable for the client. The object isn’t to take advantage but for both parties to reach an agreeable middle ground. A true business deal, if you will. The kind of sex workers most on this forum hire fall into this category. To think that all sex workers are out to provide a quality service for the client, without potentially taking advantage of the client – that’s shortsighted. But thinking all sex workers will take advantage at every opportunity is also unfair and simply unaligned with reality.

I’m of the mind that in most cases, people can make most anything work if they really want. It’s about priorities. Not always. Things happen, but if you’re good at reading a situation, you know if you’re being sold a bill of goods. Sorry this happened to you.

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