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I’m pretty sure many providers fake … if nothing else to try and end the session! Some clients may buy the act that they were so hot and the totally inexperienced guy they were with was waiting for the right moment with the right person vut couldn’t control himself … 😜 one told me he keeps this colored lube nearby so he can even make it seem like the client has cum without realizing - again in order to speed things up … and that’s the providers cue to run into the shower to reset the dynamic

Not necessarily - could be a lapse in them following the regimen. I do wonder when I see ads or hookup posts from those who boast about their stamina to party all weekend if they kept up with their mess during that time.

I know a couple of providers who are now positive but weren’t when I first met them - and I wonder if some clients (for whom the info is important) file away a historic answer and freeze it as still accurete. I’ve heard more than once that those negative and on prep sometimes feel they will miss out on revenue (if providers) and the opportunity to hook up (regular sites) if they list that as it seems exclusionary, preachy etc to those positive.

Perhaps a related question, are bad reviews the main or only reason providers change their profiles? Even with fake ages there’s not much to change or try to eradicate from client memory..

I’ve been told filming is now pretty standard when young kids hookup - and you see it in amateur porn where someone is holding a phone in their hand throughout. Increasingly I find in the hookup world people offering to show me footage of them with others. One guy even said something like it’s now assumed ok unless you say it’s not. Might not be prevalent but more common than it used to be and evolving technology makes it easier.

I don’t write reviews unless I’m genuinely super happy. Or super unhappy, and rarely in those cases, mainly as unless there is anything dangerous to others, I want to break ties and be done with it. The reviews clearly mean something as the follow up from providers afterward (either “please leave a review” or “please take down or edit your review”) can get invasive. And I still find it amusing that many providers just don’t seem to get that I may have had a less than perfect experience. More than one supposedly established and well-regarded provider has offered men a free session if I wrote a positive review or took down something that wasn’t perfect.

I think unless mistaken this is a provider with frequent name changes including Tyler Dickson Tall White Hung bigwhitecock tylerontop as well as some others I’ve forgotten - unusually including “white” or “Penis” (like Big TrophyPenis etc (For the record I’ve never met him but found the frequent profile resets interesting)

I’ve had providers ask (for their marketing and their channels) - when I’ve said no some have even said”what if I guarantee your face won’t be visible …” I’ve never asked for it. One provider offered to take pictures or video on my phone for my use saying some liked to keep momentos I’ve asked re cameras position on bed posts, on desks in the providers room, on the ceiling etc if filming is going on - and always been told no / or a vague answer about for security sometimes / yes / not with you but sometimes etc. given the size of security cameras now I wouldn’t be surprised if I’ve been filmed many times not just with providers but with general hookups. I take comfort in my unattractive ordinariness and assume My privacy is not at risk, as well as the strict laws that would get someone in trouble for filming and using something of this nature without consent.

As a rule no.

I’m sure I’ve seen ads basically saying that (discount if you’re “hot”). I’m pretty sure there are some providers who won’t turn anyone away but give them less than stellar service if they are not attracted to them or have some feature they find problematic - age, body type, race, “masc vs femme” etc One provider shared w me once that he had some tricks if he’s bored or really not into a client - the most outrageous of which was pretending they’re not clean down there … as he described it, that typically sends them into deep embarrassment, they run to the bathroom, by the time they come out they’re desperate to leave even if all that hasn’t used up the remaining time. Yes I’d rather have a provider reject me before meeting if it can lead to that but I’d rather this wasn’t an issue in what’s supposed to be different from regular hooking up.

No because there will be enough people including in this forum validating the ask saying it’s a providers right etc

Or staying put where you are and letting the market play out. I’ve never seen so much discounting from providers (with me never asking) as I have over the past year.

As often discussed, this is one of the most capitalist market segments. So if providers want to raise rates - nothing to stop them. They can determine over time if it’s working. Prices do NOT rise for everything in inflationary times, they can even come down even for luxuries, and prices don’t move consistently. It’s why the wise ones call it a “basket” when calculating inflation.

Good to know for my ego, I may have to revisit like 90% of my double guessing from mostly non provider experiences! 😊

So I got experienced more outreach from him on an online dating site; realized it was him after some back and forth when he sent his pic, unprompted, and then requested mine in return, getting testy when I didn’t respond. His RM profile now seems to address a couple of the issues in discussions on this forum as @GCMan states (not linking to his profile again as it’s above) and also not on grindr or scruff, someone’s using my photos. also if you’re reading this, i’m probably going to reach out and say hello Now I’d be prepared to accept it’s someone else using his photos since I’m seeing that increasingly (not just re providers) but the location matches past comms and after I stopped responding he sent a link to the RM profile. So if it’s a fake account he’s marketing his doppelgänger well. Re the mental medical issue he references that may influence behavior I’d be sympathetic in most situations, particularly if given advance warning, but I’d likely consider what that may mean for a provider experience before committing or allowing a clean slate, since I’ve heard anecdotally (outside of discussions on here) enough about his interaction with others that I wouldn’t want to experience on my dime.

Aren’t providers - in those scnarios - usually faking though?

Ok that’s taking the discussion in a whole different direction. Workers of the world unite …

And be aware whatever approach you take (including no explanation / ghosting) may be received differently by each based on their sensitivities, experience etc

Even if he was into me I’d assume if he had other clients that day or with any life issues that can get in the way he may have difficulty performing. That would suck (and I wouldn’t be able to) if on my dime. And with generics now seemingly available from every corner deli, I would assume a real life boyfriend experience would include him taking one anyway

Any supposed provider that doesn’t ultimately understand this is either exceptionally naive and uninformed, or a fake.

Resentment among providers? I think among some this is from unrealistic expectations (financial and even emotional). It’s not indentured labor (unlike the path for many women) with conditions largely under one’s control more than elsewhere. If expectations are realistic and providers still become resentful they need to switch careers or come to terms with a choice that this is (presumably) better than the alternative options available to them. With advances in technology and more social acceptance for gay/bi men, provider margins and leverage are certainly more threatened esp if not understanding this is ultimately sales and customer service, and not a lifelong royalty for thinking of onesself as hot- and again this applies just to some, no offense meant to anyone. Unfortunately the respect / suspicion gap between providers and clients as a whole is likely to grow especially as those providers (or fake providers) seeking shortcuts or worse keep up with the technology but not the service. Just heard about another guy falling foul of the “upfront partial payment for firstimers” scam, and the parting message from the supposed provider was, minutes after the almost-client reluctantly parted with his phone number to enable an electronic payment, a screenshot sent of his LinkedIn and a Google map link to his house where he lives with his elderly disabled father, followed by being blocked on the app they connected on and the providers profile disappearing.

Unless you’re the only game in town, and even then not really … how could you be anything other than just an option. And by that I mean the service you provide, not you the human being. Because it’s the service that is sought and compensated. This holds even if the alternative is I don’t engage anyone at all (vs another provider). Why does the sex component make anything different? Asking someone selling something any detail to inform my eventual choice just doesn’t compel me to go forward with the transaction. The proof isn’t in any argument made here - it’s in the ongoing complaining because the reality isn’t delivering results based on fantasy.

I agree with many of your points here but not this. Clients also bear significant risks of physical security, reputational damage, extortion etc Lack of respect and much of that being stigma based is certainly true. But it’s two way. Some providers (not all) likely view clients not as peers in a transaction but as pathetic, outcasts etc who have no option than to meet with them for what they perhaps think comes easy to them. And this is behind what I think is sometimes bizarre behavior against their own self interest (long term / strategic / revenue maximizing). And a provider who is already public somewhat doesn’t have anonymity to lose whereas a client does. The long list of potential attempts to gain leverage over clients - though requiring eg photos, “real” phone numbers, electronic trail for deposits and payment all have benign explanations. But also many not so harmless ones as well. And again, we’re talking about some providers, not all.

Those in the hobby that we discuss here aren’t victims, they participate voluntarily. This is not child or female trafficking etc. Whatever might be unrealistic about clients’ expectations is made real by providers who can fulfill those or at least try to, and they are compensated at mutually agreed rates. If providers want to work less (including in sales efforts) and still get the same rates or more … or if clients want to pay less and get the same service or more … either side has the freedom to walk away. Simple as that.

I don’t think I waste new providers’ time with unnecessary back and forth but maybe some do. However, if I have to pay for the privilege of working out if I should pay him that alone would rule them out for me. At what point can we acknowledge there is a time and effective cost in making a potential sale which may or not come through?