Simon Suraci

A few guys around the DFW metroplex travel to Ft Worth for a nominal fee. Some charge quite a bit, understandably. Peak traffic time requests can also affect this calculation and willingness to travel. Some providers are more on the Ft Worth side, in the middle between Dallas and FW, and some scattered around FW. Incalls may be worth it for you those cases to cut down on your travel time and avoid a provider travel fee, but a lot more guys are based in and around Dallas and many of them will travel to FW. If you want outcall in Ft Worth, it probably won’t put a huge dent in travel fees, even though the middle guys are coming from a closer location than Dallas. Depends on the provider. IMHO, a 30 min drive to Dallas seems worth it for the right provider for your needs. A lot of Ft Worth area clients visit me in Dallas without hesitation because I am the best provider for them. A lot of them are regularly in Dallas anyway for other reasons like social functions, shopping, errands and whatnot. Some of them book me around those trips. For masseurs and masseurs who escort, I have a couple recommendations along those lines located more in the middle between Dallas and FW. At that point, you’re looking at 15 mins difference in driving distance vs just going to Dallas. Personally I would be more concerned with getting the right match than a really convenient location. Might be something you do on average monthly, or maybe even weekly if you hire a lot? Not too bad of a drive for that frequency or less. Dallas has many more options than FW.

This ^ Whenever a client has an issue paying, “forgot it in car” or what have you, I keep their wallet, phone, both, or something of value - at least their driver’s license until they come back to pay me. Sometimes I walk them to an ATM. There happens to be one a block away. Fortunately this rarely happens, and less so now that I accept several digital payment options. Cash is still king both for privacy and expediency. Mezcal is, by the way, delicious!

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I agree. It’s nice to know what they look like currently. Sometimes asking a provider a question like this signals (inadvertently) that you may not hire them if they answer the question in one way or another that doesn’t align with your preferences. It’s almost better to not have the contact at all than to hear directly from someone in so many words: “I would hire you if you looked x way right now, but you don’t, so I’m telling you directly to your face that you don’t get my business”. It’s kind of cruel, to be dramatic about it. At the very least it’s frustrating or annoying. The best providers develop a thick skin. When this happens, I say to myself ‘whatever’ and move on. I can’t change myself for one client, for one appointment, so oh well, their loss. I stopped caring about it so much and it’s been freeing. It’s tough. A provider can’t be all things at all times to all people. One day he may be shaved or trimmed, another naturally hairy. When you ask, it may help diffuse that bomb by mentioning that you’re just curious and that it’s not a dealbreaker. If it IS a dealbreaker for the client, that unfortunately aligns with many other typical conversations that end up where the client isn’t interested based on the response. Clients should know and it’s ok to ask, and it’s ok to have the preference. It’s even ok to not hire based on the response. From a provider’s perspective, it’s damned if you shave, damned if you don’t. The next client wants the opposite, the following client doesn’t care, and the following client after that prefers the reverse. That feeling of frustration is probably what set him off. True, he could have handled it much better, but reassuring the provider can help, especially if it’s not a total dealbreaker for you. In general, I recommend providers pick a lane. Be naturally hairy, or be groomed in a certain way to establish your look, which is part of your brand. That way clients know what to expect and you attract the ones who like your look, whatever it is. Unfortunately you miss out on the clients who prefer the opposite, but that’s part of the biz. People are fickle and they have preferences, no matter how shallow or seemingly insignificant in comparison to other arguably more important factors that make a great provider.

I’ve seen JD for massage. I recommend him wholeheartedly. Anyone feel free to PM me.

100% Agree Positive experience with Tristan. Professional, skilled, gives you the whole time you booked, and his rate is reasonable for the quality. My only criticisms are that he was not particularly friendly or warm and I had difficulty booking. After he confirmed a day and time with me, he requested me reschedule a number of times before I saw him. Fortunately I am fairly flexible, but this would probably not work for a number of clients. He apologized after the session and said it was unusual for him to have so many rescheduling issues. YMMV. I may have caught him on a particularly bad week. FYI his massage is strictly therapeutic unless you pay $50 more. All quite reasonable. I can’t speak to the upgrade or everything it entails since my priority for the session was therapeutic massage only. My imagination tells me that even a modest menu of extras would be worthwhile considering his therapeutic work is so good. He emphasizes that you don’t miss out on a quality therapeutic session when you upgrade. I like that about him. Ask Tristan directly for details.

I’ve hired both Grant and Tristan for massages. It really depends on what you’re going for. Anyone interested feel free to PM me for more info on these two Dallas studs.

Clients criticize masseurs so much as it is…even the good ones with excellent technical skills. I don’t need to pay someone or give away my time for free on top of that. Some of the more productive ways of giving and receiving criticism is with a massage trade with another massage therapist. Even then, styles and focus differ. It’s an opportunity to learn, grow, and try new things more than anything. Every client has different needs and preferences, while every masseur has different strengths. It’s not always a matter of right/wrong or good/bad. Sometimes a client doesn’t even appreciate a really good massage because they only want and expect “extras” or hire for your looks. I can’t take their criticism seriously. The others I take with a grain of salt.

You have, and I truly appreciate it!

Oh wow, that does sound exhausting. I agree massage is intuitive and every client is different. You need flexibility to adjust the time as needs arise. For example, a sore muscle the client didn’t mention or didn’t know they needed the work there until you started working in an area. When working with a new collaborator, I like to go over briefly what we’re doing about 10-15 mins before the client arrives. It’s more general, however, than down to the minute directions. A countdown clock would be unnerving and unnecessary. As long as we have an understanding of who is doing what, for approximately how long, discuss pressure and style, we’re good. We both pay attention to one another and signal with eye contact, face, even pointing sometimes if there needs to be something different happening, when to switch, move on, slow down, wrap it up, etc. No verbal communication so the client is not distracted. If it’s my client, I generally lead. If it’s their client, I generally follow. When working with a regular collaborator, it’s more realistic to synchronize strokes and timing to give the client a parallel massage experience. That works best when the client wants a massage for relaxation moreso than deep therapeutic sports work or something like that. I can’t exactly do deep therapeutic work in tandem, at least not very successfully or easily.

I have experience with Alex. PM me for details. Sending a PM to the original poster.

To leave a review on MasseurFinder, email the masseur your review content using your regular email service i.e. gmail. Ask for their email address. It’s strange. I think you get less reliable reviews this way because the masseur has to post on your behalf (and therefore choose if they want to post it). Also you’re only allowed one new review over a period of time, I think a month or more, can’t remember. RentMasseur is better for reviews because clients can post directly, unfiltered, as long as you have some back and forth communication on the site prior. I prefer reviews on my own site on Booksy. Clients post directly there, without any prior communication required. All my reviews are unsolicited. Without the barriers RentMasseur and MasseurFinder place, my own site has naturally more reviews on it.

I’m fortunate most clients are respectful in person. I attract the people I like to work on, for the most part. It’s rare that someone offers a rude comment. The few bad ones ask things like, “so what’s your ‘real’ job?” To their surprise, I say, I’m an architect. Until recently I worked both jobs for the equivalent of full time each. That throws clients for a loop. I try not to get offended when people think I can’t do anything else. I choose this work even though I’m high in demand in the architecture field. I asked one client if he had any areas that needed work and he pointed to his dick. I tried to ignore that and started the massage as normal at his upper body. He proceeded to complain in an other language and then took my hands in his and forced them down there. I prepared to physically fight him if necessary and asked him to leave. I’m not afraid to defend myself by any means necessary, and I have no patience for that kind of behavior. One client communicates in grunts only. Even in text messages. Totally incomprehensible. He doesn’t shower and arrives really unclean. He refuses, even when I politely ‘invite’ him to shower before his massage. I have to pause sometimes and use wipes on his body to minimize the filth. Sometimes he comes over right after getting a spray tan. I intentionally put worn out sheets in case he is about to ruin another set. He won’t look me in the eyes, and he’s on his phone scrolling every moment before and then again after being on the table. Doesn’t say hello or goodbye, never says thank you. Never tips. Asks for discounts and freebies in whatever broken sentences he can jumble, even though English is is first language. We put up with a lot. It’s part of the biz.

I suppose that’s the cost of constantly hiring new providers. Nothing wrong with that by any means, you just have to have a reasonable expectation of risk and reward. If you expect all providers to be reliable all of the time, and that nobody requires a deposit under any circumstances, all of them cater to your specific needs, your schedule, any last minute requests, and so on, I would highly recommend reevaluating your expectations. If hiring reliable people only once or max a few times isn’t doing it for you, prepare to face a lot of challenges. You're setting yourself up for lots of disappointment. That's fine as long as you're prepared to deal with it. Providers don't pick their clients, but we have to deal with all our clients anyway. Even when they're flaky, unreasonably demanding, or rude. That's a cost of doing business we have to accept if we want to stay in business. Clients get to choose who they want to deal with, whether a few reliable ones or many new faces all the time, of which some are good, and some are bad. The reward of constant novelty is your trade-off. If that reward is greater than the cost of your risks, go for it. If your risk tolerance is low or the cost too great, that’s on the client. Btw I'm speaking in general terms to clients, not "you" specifically. You can’t have everything all your way all the time. The world isn’t built to serve you. Sometimes the client has to eat the cost (risk) of constantly hiring new people to get the experiences they want. In the same way, providers eat the cost of constantly dealing with bad clients in order to stay in business and cumulatively earn enough from the good clients to make a decent living.

This forum has opened my eyes to what clients have to deal with. I feel for you guys. Loss aversion is much more powerful psychologically than many positive and fulfilling sessions. Some may be scammers, many others are legit. I’m sorry many of you have had bad experiences, but it’s unfair to use language like always, never, or yes/no binaries. You have every right to be cautious and you don’t have to pay deposits if you’re uncomfortable doing so. By all means, move on to providers who do not require a deposit, but I would not expect every provider to risk their scarce resources for every client, every time. There will always be a need for popular and busy providers to allocate scarce resources. It’s economics. When demand is high, willingness to take on unvetted and flaky clients is low. When the reverse is true, willingness is high. Deposits, among other strategies, are a means for providers to allocate their scarce resources more efficiently. Better to lose a couple would-be good clients than take on many more would-be bad ones. On both sides of the discussion, each party is experiencing majority negative of the other. i.e. 9/10 clients are flakes, or 9/10 providers are scammers. All the more reason to rely on recommendations from others you trust. I’m so glad company of men exists. It helps establish who’s good, who’s reliable, real, and worth your time and money. We focus on the negative so much, on what we have to lose by taking on a client or hiring a provider. If you’re concerned about hiring someone new, seek out providers with a good reputation, either through forums here, or elsewhere online or IRL. Find the good ones and hire them. When you have a positive experience, keep hiring them. It’s win-win. Some of my best clients are regulars. With mutual trust and respect, both parties are very happy. Variety is nice, I get it. Sometimes reliability and trust is a much more fulfilling route. Treat one another well.

Here is an old post discussing Men4RentNow. I’ve never heard of it.

It varies per provider and type of service. I’m a massage therapist, so most situations would never require a deposit. On occasion, I require a deposit for particularly long appointments, travel outside my normal range, or if the appointment requires coordination with other providers like a 4-hand massage, or other specific/unusual requests. The more I have to lose if the client flakes, the more inclined I am to ask for a deposit. If you are hiring an escort, or a massage provider for escort services, the stakes and costs are higher, so I would expect more escorts to require some sort of deposit. I can’t speak for every provider, but I would never pay more than half up front. I think 20% is perfectly reasonable. Even $50 is fine. It’s a gesture to motivate you to follow through and to demonstrate (through action, not just words) that you are serious and worth the provider’s time. As always, use your best judgement. I acknowledge that scams are very much a real thing and you have to watch for warning signs. If something doesn’t feel right, it probably isn’t. We’re on the side of caution. However, I would not be afraid to send a nominal deposit for a reputable provider. That usually means they are popular, which means they have more reason to charge a deposit. If you’re asking for something that takes a lot of time, travel, preparation, or coordination, I would expect your provider is more likely to require a deposit.

The flakers motivate providers to require deposits, or otherwise be guarded with their time or vet who they book. Deposits are one way (not the only way) to filter up the serious clients. We need some way to identify the serious people, otherwise we waste a lot more of our time and don’t earn a living. To make a living, we have to keep busy, so it behooves us to fill our time with serious, trustworthy clients. When you are a popular provider, you have the luxury of choosing the more serious client over the less serious client. You may be a great client. Fine. Demonstrating in one way or another that you are a good client is another story entirely. Something as simple as booking your second preference for a time slot versus your first preference is a free and easy way to demonstrate you are serious and a good client. When a provider is busy and suggests booking another day or time, do so. Don’t just throw in the towel (and a tantrum) because a provider wasn’t available the moment you texted for an immediate appointment, or for the specific time you requested. This happens to me all the time, and I make an effort to work with their schedule. The client frequently makes no effort to work with mine. The message I get from clients is that they expect me to be dedicated, on-call, only available to them, at a moments notice, and that they will not hire me if I am not. That’s not true of course, but that’s how bad clients treat me. I say good riddance because I have lots of good quality clients filling my time. Men on this forum generally aren’t the ones flaking. It’s the other 9/10 clients that are not on the forum behaving disrespectfully, and that gives us legitimate reason to do things like require a deposit or vet a client through a verification app. I avoid requiring deposits, but for some, it’s one of the few ways to meaningfully weed through a sea of flaky, disrespectful people.

It’s more efficient for the client to contact the providers he’s interested in hiring. Ask about the specifics you want and let the provider confirm yes or no. Posting as a client to something like doublelist yields a bunch of providers who you may or may not be interested in, and who may or may not actually be the best fit for your needs. It would also bring in interest from quite a few people who are not professionals, just people who want a free mutual interest hookup. It’s a lot of wasted time for all those people to read and respond, and for you to read and respond (or ignore). It’s also rife for scams, as if we don’t have enough of that on the proper platforms. I recommend going directly to the source, using purpose built platforms and messaging directly to inquire about your needs. You weed through a lot of nonsense that way, for you, and for the provider.

MF has the worst reviews process. It’s basically set up to be a barrier for clients to leave reviews. You can email the masseur a review to their personal email and we can post on your behalf. I block the site based email function. It’s too much of a hassle for the client and for me. I direct my clients to my booking website (Booksy) because it has the greatest number of reviews and clients review me directly on the platform, unsolicited.

Get creative. For example, add a Valentine’s Day couples special, a referral discount, finals week special for students, spring break special, free add on services with a massage like hot stone or body scrub, two for one when you book x days ahead, cash discount, discount if you book online, $XX off before noon, specify “x” discount for NEW clients, $30 of for 30 somethings, emergency worker discount, teacher appreciation, other professions, etc. Creativity is key. You don’t need to add a special every single week of the year, and it need not be broadly applicable to everyone every single week like 20% off (for every Tom Dick and Harry). If you have half the weeks of the year covered or more, you’re doing pretty good. I would have to raise prices if I consistently offered 20% off to every client over the whole year. Weekly specials are one of many ranking boost items to consider. If you have specials at all, and they are different over the course of a year, that’s what matters to the algorithm. Be strategic. You wouldn’t want to offer a special when you know you have limited availability, or going on a trip, or whatever. If traveling to a different city, clients will book you regardless. I like to save my specials for when I can attract the most new clients that I otherwise wouldn’t, and have the availability to actually fulfill lots of new appointment requests. It doesn’t really matter. One or two masseurs stay at the top for six months or so at a time by changing their photos every five seconds, maintaining every single new weekly special, re-writing their ad every month, logging in and flagging availability constantly, and so on. It’s exhausting. I don’t have time for all that, at least not for every single action every single week of the year. I’m busy working, so I’m not that the very top. Even when I actively try to get better rankings for a stretch of time, it only bumps me slightly. I still get plenty of business. I find that the guys doing all the things to stay on the very top of the list don’t last long. They generally aren’t very good in my experience. That’s why they stay that the top for six months or so and then drop off completely. You have to be good to be successful, no matter your ad placement. If you can update your ad and photos every six months or less, schedule a few creative weekly specials from time to time, and log in whenever possible, you’ll be fine. You won’t be at the very top, but you don’t have to be to get business. Most clients scroll and click your ad based on your looks, If they like your ad content, they reach out. New and good photos are the #1 way to boost your ranking. Spread them out over a period to fit the algorithm preference for fresh photos. They can even be from the same photo session if they fit the strict criteria. Professional photos are expensive. It can cost $500-$1k every time I hire my photographer for a session and pay for shots I like and will use. I aim to do this every six months. Worth every penny because we thrive on good, current photos.

For RentMasseur, most providers offer more than massage, but some do not. That may be what the provider is communicating when they post only a massage table to the private gallery. In that case, respect that not everyone offers exactly what you want. Don’t get upset, just move on. If the goodies aren’t for sale, that might be why they aren’t on display. If in doubt, you can always ask. Also, RentMasseur doesn’t let you post a room pic or table pic on its own. They only let you post pics of yourself, so if you want to show off your space and you haven’t had a friend or photographer snap a shot of you in the room, you’re out of luck. I highly recommend hiring a professional photographer for all shots, including those with a table, room, etc. Clients like to see the massage space. Or for escorts, possibly their apartment, house interior, or other locations. That’s why we post pics like that. So many clients have bad things to say about a provider having a dirty, unkempt, small, or otherwise inappropriate space. Space pics help put these legitimate concerns to rest. When basic members request to view my private gallery, I attach them to my reply message. There is no way for me to manually unlock the private gallery for basic members, only to attach. I share freely when someone asks. I disagree with the point about providers being “unprofessional” when they reach out to a client after the client views their private gallery. Others on this site have commented they liked that a provider made the first contact and that it made the provider feel more approachable. I reach out with a very brief friendly message, kind of like browsing in a store and a sales person greets you and says “let me know if I can help you with anything”. That’s not unprofessional. However, I don’t recommend being the pushy salesperson, so I keep it very light and brief. RentMasseur suggests providers reach out when someone views your gallery. That’s how the site is designed to work. I wouldn’t knock a provider for using the ad website the way it’s designed. I get a lot of business from making the first contact. Not everyone likes that, and that’s fine. You can choose to ignore the message, you don’t have to reply. It’s just the provider giving potential clients the sense that they are here and available, checking their messages, and want your business. That’s not a bad thing!

I have no interest in feet, either the client’s feet or attention to mine. However, I get many requests for pictures of my feet, shoe size, and the like. Foot fetishes are pretty common. More than once I’ve considered posting feet pics in my private gallery, even though that’s not the focus of my services, if only to reduce the number of odd photo requests. I suspect that’s why you’re seeing so many feet pics in profiles. Especially for escorts. If a client needs to see my feet for me to give them a massage, I have concerns. At the same time, if my feet gets them in the door, they receive an excellent massage and return again and again for my massage skills even if feet weren’t part of the session at all. In that sense, I consider feet photos strategic marketing. The same thing happens all the time with sexier photos in general. People like my look and hire me based on that, but then discover I actually have great massage skills and like me as a person and then come back regularly for excellent service. Btw, I ask if clients want their feet massaged during a two hour session. I never do feet for a one hour session (not enough time), and very infrequently for a 90 minute session. Primarily because feet take a lot of effort and take a greater toll on my hands. Secondarily because feet take time away from other parts of the body that some may appreciate the work on more. Not everyone appreciates the work on their feet because they are neutral or don’t like them massaged at all. The few people that particularly enjoy having their feet massaged are ecstatic about my work, so I save my hands and energy for their appreciation.

Hiring a straight guy is part of the fantasy for some clients. I suppose it doesn’t matter if the providers actually are straight (by whatever definition you want to apply). The point is you’re indulging a fantasy, and that’s about you - not them. If they can fulfill that fantasy for you, does anything else really matter? It’s like watching a movie, or even porn. Suspend your disbelief for the sake of enjoying the content. I don’t believe Meryl Streep is the devil in heels in real life when she goes home. Nor do I believe those guys in porn are actually stepbrothers. Getting the most out of hiring a self-identified (read: self-marketed) “straight” man is your responsibility, not theirs. If your provider can be what you want them to be for the time you’re hiring them, it shouldn’t really matter how they identify inside their head apart from work. You’re paying for fantasy, their time, body, and services. You’re NOT paying them to live their life in a certain way, or think certain thoughts, or feel certain emotions directed at certain people, or to agree with your definitions of human sexuality. In my humble opinion, the only person limiting their own enjoyment of a straight provider is the client.

I only require deposits for certain situations. For example, a client requested I coordinate two other providers for a multi hour session. We all had to travel over half an hour, and I had to bring a table. I was in daily communication with the client for about a week. I had the other providers lined up, got everything ready, even purchased a specialty item that the client requested for his session. Then the day of, he ghosts. Not a peep. Just disappeared. By this point, I’ve invested hours. That’s when I decided I’m only doing complicated setups, long sessions, long travel, multiple provider coordination, etc with a deposit. The more I have to lose in terms of prep time, loss of credibility with my collaborators, schedule blocking out other would-be clients, and so on, the more inclined I am to require a deposit. For a normal uncomplicated session, especially incall, I never require deposits. Even for the complicated sessions, I don’t require deposits after the first successful session. Once I know a client is real and follows through, I trust them and don’t need a deposit. Deposits are an insurance policy. They need not be huge amounts, but should be something a client will think twice about before flaking. The deposit covers my time, often a hour or more worth when they do choose to flake. Even with a considerable deposit, they still do flake from time to time. If you’re asking for a lot, I would not be shocked if a provider requests a nominal deposit. We waste sooo much time on flaky clients. Maybe you personally don’t flake. Great. That doesn’t change the fact that a LOT of others do. That’s why many providers require deposits. Especially for the first meeting.