Simon Suraci

I go the full time. By that I mean once the client gets on the table and I start working, to the time their massage is finished. NOT: Client going to the bathroom showering chit chat paying laying on the table for a while after, mind completely blown, and in quiet recovery getting dressed etc. I plan buffers for these activities and to clean thoroughly before the next client arrives, and usually with enough to give myself at least a few minutes to respond to inquiries. For me, that’s at least 30 mins between one client ending their scheduled time and the next client’s scheduled time begins. The buffer allows me to go slightly over if necessary or offer the client a shower, and it gives me wiggle room to take a client early should they arrive more than 5-10 mins before their scheduled start time, or still get my current client done should they arrive late. Clients showing up late I short on time, ending at their scheduled end time so as to respect the next client’s start time. When the next client is scheduled later, I accommodate the late client by starting and ending late. It’s all a matter of circumstances. It boggles my mind why more of my peers don’t structure their appointments with reasonable buffers. It’s very important to me that each client gets their full time. It’s important to me when I get massages myself. Honestly I have a hard time finishing my routine any faster than the scheduled time. Sometimes it ends right on time, often it runs over. But then again I am actually providing a real, skilled massage. A lot of guys in the industry are opportunistic rub-and-tug types with short term goal$. I want my clients to return. I give them their full time, every time. Masseurs that don’t aren’t serious about their work, and they’re not working to develop long term clients. Skip the amateurs and unserious, pervasive though they may be. Go with experienced, consummate professionals. Places like here are the best ways to find the good guys! When a masseur massively shorts your time, please write a review stating the facts, both here and on whatever platform you found them on, like RentMasseur. It helps identify the bad actors and lead other clients toward the pros. Also, it motivates the bad guys to either a) improve their practice or b) exit the biz.

Anyone see him advertise on RentMen? Sounds like the value proposition here is deli services - not massage - with rates commensurate to an escort.

Mark Dylan is one of the better ones about communicating clearly in his ad that it’s therapeutic only. I appreciate that ad content when I see it. He’s done some hot studio porn in the past, but no longer. Haven’t seen him yet but would like to try someday when I am in the area again. I really enjoy a quality therapeutic massage.

It’s a crowd. For three guys plus yourself, best to stick with escort service. I’ve done it. It’s fun. My clients love it!

^Thank you for this. Given this was for massage so a bit more straightforward than escort inquiries, but still was pleasantly surprised to have this brief, direct text exchange: [address and details, photos]

Same here. And I thought my $600 table was an investment. Yowza. Manufacturer: Master Massage Model: Husky Gibraltar The extra width, high density memory foam, solid construction, arm shelf, and deluxe adjustable headrest make all the difference. Looking forward to generations down the line where I can do more and more great features.

Michael hires me regularly when he needs a massage for himself. Nice guy, friendly and easygoing. Haven’t tried his massage yet, so can’t speak to it but I can vouch for him as a person. He’s grounded and pleasant. Good guy. Michael travels frequently to SF for his other work. That limits how much time he has for his massage work. He has many regular clients - usually seeing him for sports massage and recovery from workouts. Keep that in mind when you schedule. He has limited time available for new clients, so please be flexible and keep trying if you don’t get your preferred time on the first try.

Honestly I do this from time to time for long time regular clients.

I finished it last night. Lots of interesting perspective into the lives and dynamics of being an escort, albeit a bit different in m4m context vis-a-vis straight gigolos in this series. It hit close to home for me because I do this work in part to help keep my fledgling farm afloat. Plenty of scenic montages of salt flats country in what I am assuming is the south of France. Great musical score. Charming and sweet at times. Unbelievable at other times. A lot of it is unrealistic or overdone but the tensions the characters have with the work and how it impacts their lives was refreshing to see explored on screen, especially for men. I was struck by a lot of the moments the series explores the very real and very human needs and emotions involved for the clients and sex workers. I feel like I have had all of these clients myself, but men: 1) trans man needing a safe place for his first time. Or a cisgender virgin needing the same. 2) businessman not wanting to chat or connnect much, just be physical and get what he needs outside his marriage that his spouse can’t or won’t provide, sometimes with the spouse’s full knowledge and consent. 3) client that hires me to seduce his spouse in public to make the spouse feel special, attractive, and worthy after having a hard time following a major trauma or medical event. 4) client that hires me for a business dinner only as a facade, not really for sex. 5) the client who can’t afford me but scrapes and saves to have one really special experience. etc, etc. I see some of all my clients in these characters, although with men more of them are just wanting to get off and it’s less complicated most of the time compared to many of the women client characters. Overall, I liked it.

Just want to back up @Shawn Monroe on this one. One approach is to hire for massage only and then discuss. Sometimes that works, but often it doesn’t. I accommodate them whenever possible, but sometimes I can’t for purely practical reasons, if nothing else. Your masseur isn’t expecting to have sex with you. He may be unprepared to offer you optimal service. Maybe he jerked off an hour before your appointment. Maybe he came while servicing another client right before you. He likely isn’t freshly prepared to receive anal sex either. Maybe he doesn’t offer the sex role you want or entertain the things you’re into. Who knows if you brought enough cash to pay the rate he quotes you in person after you indicate you want more. Maybe he has a client after you and has no extra time to extend, or he has to sexually perform for that client. You never know. That’s why it’s best to discuss well beforehand. I hear @pubic_assistance’s point that you don’t always know you want to have sex with a masseur until you meet him. Chemistry matters. Also, checking that the guy looks in person the way you expect based on his photos is reasonable too. Once your massage only session concludes, inquire about more services and rates afterward. When he can accommodate you right then and there, great. When he can’t, postpone further activities for the next session. I concur with other comments regarding provider reputation. You have very low risk of problems - legal or otherwise- seeing well-known, well-reviewed providers. Those with a reputation here on CoM are more trustworthy.

Some of my clients do this or some version of it. By laying everything out ahead and giving my interested clients options, we have much clearer expectations on both sides. Everyone gets what they want, no ambiguity, no games, no disappointments, you pay your providers equitably for their respective services. Everyone wins.

I advertise on both, but then again I offer a real, skilled massage AND I offer more, in addition to, or instead of massage, depending on what the client wants to hire me for. I answer the door naked and I’m pretty generous with my body throughout the session. My approach is escort-y, to be sure, but I give among the best therapeutic massages in my area. I say this based on lots of client feedback over the years who have made the rounds, find me, and feel no need to look around anymore. Clients love that with me, they don’t have to choose between something sexy and receiving real, skilled work. They choose the level of interaction they are comfortable with and I match it. MasseurFinder has extremely strict rules for ad content, so no matter what the guy actually offers, he has to present himself as strictly therapeutic, which makes it more difficult for the client to interpret. MF is the most expensive ad platform for masseurs, so advertisers must be serious to spend over $105/mo for a basic membership. It’s actually more now - that’s just the rate I locked in years ago. Compare to around $40/mo for RentMasseur. MF attracts skilled therapists, often those who keep clothed and offer minimal to no extras or HE. Then you find guys like me on MF who lean toward the other end of the spectrum. You never know. MF has more than its fair share of duds too, but you get that on either platform. RentMasseur is a mixed crowd. Fewer skilled therapists compared to MF, definitely more escorts offering a massage “scene” rather than an actual good massage, but certainly plenty of good, skilled guys on RM too. It helps to read the intel here on CoM to find what you’re looking for in a given provider.

I have a toy similar to the p-spot pointer. The entire shaft portion designed for inside the rectum (not just the tip) rocks at different speeds and intensities plus it has the vibrate feature. My clients love it. I have a thrusting, vibrating, heating dildo as well. Good stuff.

These boys all raising their prices… Between RentMen and Seeking, it’s now just:

Snow? What’s that? 58 degrees on my commute in San Diego is giving me a few chills. Maybe I will wear a fashionable scarf.

This topic makes me think of the 2016 Black Mirror episode Nosedive. So interesting how the pervasive reviews dynamic affects our whole world and permeates our lives more and more as time goes on. Nosedive (Black Mirror) - Wikipedia EN.M.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

I’ve done them. I wouldn’t upcharge for something as simple as wearing a hat that I already own or a pair of underwear the client brought. I would charge if the item is more elaborate or uncomfortable, messy, or difficult to move in. Furries, anyone? Glitter outfits, unbreathable material, slime play, oil wrestling scenes, you name it. Someone has a fetish or kink involving that thing. Basically anything that takes more time to prep, clean, or is uncomfortable. Stuff the client likes to tickle his fetish fancy. For some it’s wearing hat and I oblige them. For others, I charge for the pain in the ass.

To be meaningful, reviews need to include facts as well as opinions. “It was good” or “Waste of time” are not descriptive enough. Focus on facts about your experience. A few negative points: Tardiness, poor atmosphere such as TV on, loud noises, other people present, bad smells, unclean spaces, clutter, distractions like the provider constantly checking phone, leaving the room during the massage, unskilled work, inappropriate massage equipment like mattress on the floor, cutting your time short, rudeness, uninvited discussions of politics or religion or conspiracy theories, etc. Provider says or does something racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. Charging more than agreed upon rates (assuming no upselling). High pressure upselling behavior. Violence, threats, stalking, not showing up, ghosting, failing to communicate, doesn’t look like his photos, photos are outdated by many years, inaccurate massage description, etc… These are just some of many things you could say in a review to make it more meaningful. Giving 1-4 stars with little or no commentary means almost nothing. Positive reviews also need concrete details to be meaningful. Focus on facts as well as how the experience made you feel. A few positive points: Technical skills are as expected or better, starts on time, unrushed, friendly demeanor, accurate photos and descriptions, goes the whole time, uses appropriate equipment and supplies, accommodates client needs, space is clean, inviting, relaxing, private, safe, tidy, etc. Restroom and shower are available, provider offers water, smell in the space is neutral or pleasant, temperature is comfortable, etc… Find what made your experience positive and write that. 5 stars means nothing other than the client presumably enjoyed it. The reason he enjoyed it could simply be that the provider was hot or got him off, or offered a discount, or 5 stars means to the client: perfectly adequate and meets expectations. Other clients reserve 5 stars only for truly excellent service. 4 stars is still positive. Whatever you rate, explain with as much focus on facts as possible why you chose the rating you did. Then explain how the experience made you feel. For RentMen, these are a bit of a reach considering most clients provide little to no descriptive feedback. For masseur sites, you get a wider variety. Reviews are only as meaningful as the context they offer. Weigh each review accordingly.

I love this feature. Thank you!

Something that truly mystifies us all. It’s tough love. See you next thread, Jarrod 👋

I like The Talented Mr Ripley, both the book series and film. Gotta check out Saltburn, then.

@musclestuduws I have much the same attitude as you. I was more sympathetic toward @Jarrod_Uncut until I came to terms with the fact he repeatedly refuses to take a lot of well-reasoned, attitude-free advice from dozens of members to heart. I gave up. If he wants to be a victim or a martyr, let him. Should he find interest in improving himself, he will do so on his own accord. He already has volumes worth of good forum advice to lean on. Expect more of the same to fall on deaf ears. My suggestion: ignore Jarrod’s complaining posts. We can’t make decisions for him or force him to recon with the world as it is. Any answer you give that doesn’t fall along the lines of “the world should conform to you, Jarrod” he will argue with until you (and he) are utterly exhausted. To the bullies amongst us, even those with reasonable (if not mean-spirited, comments): ignore and move on to topics you like better. Aren’t you bored?

^ @Jarrod_Uncut I’m genuinely interested in which hotels you’ve found offer guest laundry facilities. I ask and most of the time they don’t have them. Access to laundry is one of the biggest reasons I rent AirBnBs / VRBOs etc. Hosting 1-2 clients a day is no big deal to bring a spare set of sheets/blankets (…shlankets?), but when I travel and have up to six clients a day without convenient access to laundry facilities - that’s just untenable for me. I have mostly massage clients, mind you, with 0-2 escort client appointments on any given day. I bring about a dozen of my own sets of dedicated massage linens and towels and wash them daily.

Thanks for taking the time to check and post @Just Sayin. There is no hard and fast rule, but in my mind at least, a one hour session in the range of $180-$220 is high for massage only (even “erotic” massage). It’s still lower than escort fees which generally start in the $250 neighborhood at the lower end and go up from there. All, keep your expectations in check for 90 and 120 min sessions accordingly. With more time, it adds up to more fee, but that doesn’t suddenly make it an escort session based on a total dollar amount, like say, $250 for a 90 or 120 min session. For instance, I charge $260 for a two hour massage session, but it’s just massage, erotic though it may be. I am good with providing more, but I increase the fee for clients who want that. The trouble is you get into that high price territory of $180+ and you might expect more on the erotic front than you would with others, but you’re not quite paying a rate where you can reasonably expect full service or something along that level of sexual interaction. It’s a gray area. For that price point let’s hope it’s a truly amazing skilled therapeutic and/or erotic massage. Or you’re paying for the view. Or both. Best to ask for what you want and if he offers it, don’t be shocked if he quotes you $250-$350 (or sometimes more) for a single hour, and of course pricing will fluctuate with how much total time you book. Some guys don’t offer what you want or he quotes higher than you are willing to pay. Since you asked, it saves you the time and $. Masseurs vary, so I am not the authority. I just like to help clients adjust their expectations so they can enjoy the guys they hire and find the best value for their money. I see masseur fan site content posted here and there and clients reacting expecting a duplicate experience for a massage fee and I roll my eyes. If you get that, good for you. It’s just not reasonable to expect that from every masseur…even those who produce explicit OF ‘massage scene’ content. Anyway, have fun. I hope you guys try Oscar and report back. Do ask for what you want and share what you find out. Looks like a fun time.

In the previous thread @calstrin was disappointed the massage didn’t end like something in his porn videos, but I wonder if there was any communication about expectations or discussions of rates for such an experience. Maybe Oscar is open to providing that experience for an appropriate fee? Doesn’t hurt to offer. I wouldn’t expect Oscar or any masseur to give it all away for a massage fee. Anyone know what he charges for a massage? Or for more? His ad says “ask”.