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Some clients are completely oblivious. I even wipe some of them, without saying anything. They still show up in similar condition the next time. I don’t do any butt play when that’s the case. Until they start complaining about a lack of attention down there, I see no need to make a big deal of it. I am embarrassed FOR them, but I know they are just completely out of touch with their bodies and how these things work. If they DO communicate they want attention there, I will bring it up.

Makes me think about Six Feet Under, where every episode you have a death at the beginning and it plays into the ongoing story. How entertaining would it be to have a show about hookers where you start each episode with a scene involving a new John? HBO style with gratuitous nudity (or not, entertaining either way). It would be fictional of course, just like writing a book, if not for the legal and privacy reasons, then for narrative cohesiveness and creative reasons. All you need are a few well developed characters, some story arc trajectories and the script practically writes itself.

To your point, every provider is different. Some prefer same day only because clients are less likely to flake. I don’t find this to be true. Booking same day is a gamble. When he’s with a client, he can’t respond promptly, and maybe he can’t take a second or third client that same day anyway. A few days notice should be fine for most. It gives time for the provider to finish with a client or whatever they are doing and get back to you same day or usually within 24 hrs. We have to plan our days to be realistic. Maybe two appointments per day spread out between morning and evening. It depends on what you need and how your guy works.

A few things to keep that in mind: RentMen gives us very limited space to write. Only a few sentences at best. Other platforms do not allow explicit profile text, at least in the US. Regarding kinks, we can’t list everything in exhaustive detail. Firstly because space won’t permit, and secondly because clients yuk our yums all the time and won’t hire us because of it. A particular kink we offer will have nothing to do with a certain client’s session, but because the client saw we offer it for others, they pass on us. I know because these client attitudes are pervasive here on the forums. It’s best to ask the provider directly about the kinks YOU are interested in and see if they are a match. Phone is great, but please be willing to schedule a call. We are not able to take random explicit phone calls at the drop of a hat. Also, my calls go straight to VM until I have a client contact entered on my phone for it to ring through. I have to do that because I am bombarded with spam and scam on the daily. I am a small business. I have no secretary to screen my calls, and limited time to take them.

This is my opinion here, not speaking for anyone else: Mutual physical attraction is not a prerequisite to good chemistry. I’ve had excellent chemistry with conventionally unattractive men, and zero (if not negative) chemistry with conventionally attractive 10s. Also the reverse, and everything inbetween. We are more than our bodies and our looks. There is something spiritual and special about intimate contact with another human being that transcends the way we look. Good chemistry flows from that connection. Feel free @pubic_assistance to disagree and I will agree to disagree. I am familiar with how strongly physical attraction factors into your hiring experience, and that’s fine for you. This is my perspective in light of my experience, without regard to how others see things. Physical attraction certainly can help fuel chemistry, but it’s not the end-all-be-all.

Bump. Any recent experience? I’m more interested in his massage skills than speculation about his age.

I do fewer long term hires, so I would weigh other client and provider responses more heavily. Here is how I structure my fees: Escort Service $1k (5) hours before midnight $2k overnight service, 12 hrs +/- $5k weekend / two days $1k per additional day $9k per week Any necessary travel costs are reimbursable to me such as flights, long term parking, etc. The client pays for meals, entertainment, etc. I do long term hires with clients I have seen before. I avoid booking long term hires with new clients, or otherwise require a deposit. I stand to lose a lot of short term business should the new client flake or cancel last minute.

In San Diego a lot of clients cancel or avoid booking on rainy days. A raindrop falls out of the sky and the local news starts issuing flash food warnings. It’s crazy how sensitive people here are to weather. They lose their minds on the roads too. My best clients show up rain or shine. I do too.

Good bed massages are possible, but most of the guys offering bed massages do not give good massage services. It’s difficult to do so on a bed. More often the bed massage approach is really more of an escort type session. It varies. A table is a sign of professionalism, being intentional, and taking their work seriously. I personally would stick to guys who bring and work on their own tables. As for the parking, tough tits. The masseur made the decision to stay in that hotel or that neighborhood. He either isn’t thinking about client convenience when making lodging decisions, or he just doesn’t care. You might infer his attitude and approach extends to his service. If you’re on the fence, I would pass since the chances of him disappointing you are so high at this point. - OR if he’s really hot to you, consider hiring him for true escort services instead of (or in addition to) massage. Assuming he offers escort service. Yes it’s more money, but the value to you may be much higher and your expectations won’t be shattered when you discover he’s only mediocre at massage. At least you’re still going to have a great time. You can get a great massage from a skilled, if perhaps less attractive, man for a reasonable price any time. I lived in an historic high rise downtown building in Dallas and occasionally clients had to pay for parking, maybe up to $10. Most of the time they could use the two hour free guest lot on the premises. The few exceptions applied for longer appointments, certain times, or the client preferred the paid lot for security. It made sense for me because my day job was walking distance away and my clients were seeing me traveling dozens of miles in every direction. Being central meant that none of them had to drive a long ways across to the other side of the metro area. Some complained about the parking, even here on the forums. Oh well. If that’s the worst they had to say, I am doing pretty good. Since then I have taken the feedback and let it inform my choices. I have been very intentional about my studio location. It’s on a residential street in a nice safe neighborhood with ample free parking right in front. It’s new construction. The area is central to my new metro with convenient freeway access. Lots of shopping and restaurants within walking distance too. I pay a significant premium for all these things. The client never pays for parking, never has to walk far along a low traffic street. ATMs from every major bank are a block or two away. Even a gay owned pub and whiskey bar is a block away for clients to enjoy before or after. It’s all by design, to be convenient for the client. When I travel, I look for the same types of things, with client convenience in mind. I pay a premium for it too. Keep that in mind when you book traveling masseurs. The nicer the experience they provide regarding location, often the more they are paying out of their pocket to visit your city. You want quality. Be willing to pay for quality, too. A so-so bed massage you pay $200 plus parking for is not the same as a pro massage from a good provider renting a house in a nice neighborhood with space for you to park for free and for him to set up a large table, towel warmer, etc. I argue those things are worth the $200 sticker price, assuming he does good work. I don’t even charge that much myself. I charge my regular rates when I travel. Currently $150/hr. I stay booked and fill cancellations quickly because my value proposition is high and my cost is low. It’s easy to tip my services, and most do because you aren’t paying top of the budget prices to begin with. It feels better to me when a client willingly pays more to show their appreciation and support of my work. Better for him, better for me! Please do tell us what you decide and how it goes.

I work hard to retain my clients. I learn what they like and lean into it. I find my long term client appointments keep getting better and better, both for massage and ‘more’. Some of them transition from the former to the latter, or some combination. The relationship and quality of interaction tends to build up over time rather than erode. I value my clients. Anyone that felt I shorted them on time I would like to hear directly about it so that I can make it right. I go the whole time, and often a little over. If your guy gaslights or dismisses you when you bring up the time shorting issue, it’s time to move on. This is an expensive service. You’re paying a premium. You deserve quality service for the whole time you booked. Period. Repeat business is the best and easiest business. It pays to be diligent in providing the full time (quantity) but also quality time matters. Guys that don’t understand this concept baffle me! ^This is only true if we were paid like a full time employees billing something like 2080 hours per year. Our profession doesn’t work that way. Our booked (and therefore compensated) hours represent a fraction of full time, perhaps 20-30 hours per week. It’s possible, but unusual for a masseur to be booked more than 40 hours per week. At a bare minimum, I have 30 min gaps between back-to-back clients and that prevents me from booking 40+ hours per week, even when every day is 100% booked in a given week. For some of us with other jobs, we may only book 10-15 hours a week. You better believe we spend 10-20 hours (or more) per week on all the UNPAID (yet necessary) parts of the job like responding to endless inquiries at all hours of the day/night, many of which never lead to a completed appointment. Marketing, client follow up, cleaning, laundry, shopping, continuing education, prep work, personal care, gym (if you count that), client development, outcall transportation to/from clients (including traffic and being early to always arrive on time), equipment setup/takedown, restocking supplies, clients flaking last minute or no-shows, etc…. all take gobs of time. We are compensated a high rate for the time clients actually book and show up for, NOT for all the other work we do. So cut that $300,000+ “salary” down accordingly. The rates you pay us factor all that extra work in. Some weeks or months are slow. Some days we have no work because of bad weather and clients flake. Other times we travel and have back to back work all day. It varies.

Depends. Are you in high places? Or low? Blame it all on my roots…

Did he return the deposits or take the money and run? If he kept it, that tells us all we need to know…

Wow, sounds like quite a character. I was checking up on JD because he was checking me out and a mutual client hired him. No way he is 36 years old 😂 but more power to him. It just depends on the person, some of us age much better into our 50s and beyond. JD is busy as ever and banking into the 700+ reviews, not counting who knows how many he had taken down over the years. Thanks for the intel all.

That would be me, at least on RentMen. I have fewer clients from RentMen and more clients hiring me for massage in the usual places. I offer deli services too though, and have a great many satisfied and returning clients. You would never know that from my RentMen reviews alone. I have more reviews on RentMasseur, my Booksy website, and some posted other places. With all the red tape on the client end it’s no wonder people aren’t writing reviews as much as they used to. Of those, a lot of clients are not very descriptive when they do write something. “I had a good time”, things like that. It’s harder to get reviews now than ever. Plus I am relatively new on RentMen, only since 2022 - not that much time to gather reviews. I offer no benefits or incentives to clients for writing reviews, so that puts me at a lower amount than some others who do. All this to say: you can’t make assumptions on provider quality, reliability, experience, or other factors based on number of reviews on one platform alone. There’s more going on in many cases.

Same here. Sean Ford is the ultimate fantasy for one of my friends. He’s not for me personally, but I would love to make my friend’s day if it were possible.

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I validate your points here. Some clients have particular preferences, but most of them don’t. My suggestion: take the initiative to tell your masseur about your preferences upfront. If not in your booking process then shortly after you arrive. The pros will adjust on a dime, at least for any item over which they have control. We can’t read your mind though. Communicate. Don’t like my music? Just say so and I’ll change it! Aside on lighting. I have two skylights in my studio. I have no option to dim the light from those during the day. I otherwise have only dim mood lighting and I turn on my dimmable recessed ceiling lights to a medium to low level before the massage to make it easy to see and move around, dress/undress and again after the client has had a chance to slowly adjust after their massage. I keep the dimmable lights off during the massage, leaving only a couple table lamps with dark color shades and mood lights. It’s particularly nice at night. In my experience, the vast majority of clients don’t like making a lot of decisions upon arrival. When I ask too many questions, they tend to get annoyed, antsy, or indecisive. A lot of them have NO preference for any of the items I might mention. They enjoy some brief small talk to connect as they undress and then quickly want to get on the table and feel totally relaxed and ready to enjoy some good therapy. Sometimes I slow them down with a big hug first. I could ask a dozen questions like: Which room scent do you prefer? How much pressure? How much light? What music do you enjoy? How is the volume level? Can I adjust the headrest for you? Would you like a bolster? How about a pillow? Would you like me to be more conversational, or quiet? Do you have any injuries, sensitivities, or areas you want me to avoid? Are you ok with your feet being massaged? What about your head? (These are the most common requests to avoid on the body) Blah, blah, blah…but I don’t. The inquisition could go on and on. And you know what? The default preselected options I already provide for all these items works really well for 95% of everyone seeing me. They either like it as-is, or have no preference anyway. So I just saved some time and client frustration for the 95% by preselecting everything. I don’t even have to ask. The other 5% who have very particular preferences tell me at the beginning, or somewhere along the way, and I adjust. Sometimes it’s after the fact and I just shake my head and say they should have said something. Then I add it to my notes so I will have everything adjusted ahead of time for their next visit. Much of my approach is about reading the client along the way. For example, if the client seems uncomfortable with the headrest, I will ask about it and offer to adjust. The client sniffles repeatedly, so I offer tissues which I keep close right under the table plus a small trash can. The client responds physically to my pressure in a way that prompts me to ask if the pressure is ok. The client is sensitive when I touch around his underarms or feet or whatever so I ask if he wants me to avoid it. I ask if it’s ok to touch them in an erotic way. I notice a limited range of motion when I bend the knee and ask if it’s ok to continue. I notice the client goes quiet so I stop asking him questions and chatting. The client expresses pleasure when I touch him in a certain way, or a certain area; verbally, with their breath intensity and pace, moans, and the like. Conversely the client winces or tenses up and I ask them about it to make sure they are comfortable and see what I need to change, if anything. I could go on… Basically I read my clients to prompt my questions and maybe that leads to one or two questions rather than a dozen for every client every time before we start. It saves us both time and energy up top. I like to ask just two general questions of every client: 1) Is there anything about your body I should know before we start? 2) (about 10 mins into the session) How is everything feeling? The rest comes up by reading the client.

I am attending both pool gatherings and both meals. A few members have already booked appointments with me outside those times. I’m available the rest of the weekend. Arriving from San Diego around noon on 4/12, departing afternoon 4/15. I update my availability daily on my RentMasseur blog specifically for this trip.

I’m attending. Looking forward to it.

What a weird experience. That guy doesn’t know what he’s doing. I’m sorry you had to navigate such an uncomfortable predicament with an unprofessional provider.

True. It depends on the client and what they want. Everyone is different. Loneliness may factor in, yes, but not always. Some clients really enjoy a longer experience, and you don’t necessarily have to be a lonely person to benefit from hiring, be it short or longer term. Acting is some component of the work we do, but I do genuinely have some good times with clients. Not to say I would choose to do the work for free or that I am thrilled every single second of every meet, but it’s not all drudgery either. The way I see it, clients pay for us to be focused on their needs, and minimally concerned with our own. I enjoy bringing pleasure to others. I don’t have to act to be concerned with others’ needs, but it is patient work to set aside my own needs and interests for the sake of someone else’s enjoyment. One can enjoy his job and be good at it, but at the same time be appropriately compensated for it to make sense for all parties. I see it the same for any other type of job.

^Agree. This is work for us, NOT a vacation. Part of that work is making it seem as though it is. A true vacation to me is going where I want, with who I want, when I want, and I am paying for it with my own money because I value and choose everything about the experience and do not have to perform anything for anyone, or be beholden to anyone for my time or attention or sex. Good for you @Thelatin for finding an arrangement with two guys you like for such a relatively low cost. I understand it may be a big total dollar amount out of your pocket for the three days, but it’s actually a low fee per day per person when you break it down. If it works for them and for you, great. For me, I stand to make the same or more over three days taking several clients without having to entertain nearly 24/7, so the economics of it make less sense for me. I couldn’t do a “vacation”, however glamorous it may be, for $500/day… I currently charge $500 for two hours which my good clients regularly pay without hesitation. I charge $1k for five hours. Some of my select long term loyal clients I will do more like 7-8 hours +/- for $1k. That’s in line with what you’re paying for TWO guys, and you’re getting the extra benefit of nearly 24/7 company from each. Wowza. The meals and drinks, etc are not part of our compensation, by the way. Sure it costs you and it feels like you’re treating us, but that’s just a necessary and customary cost of longer term hiring. Feeling like you’re treating us is part of the emotional benefit to you. Not that we don’t enjoy food, beverages, sometimes gifts and so on, but we can’t pay our bills with meals and drinks we consume with our client or an article of clothing he buys for us during an afternoon out. All of these things are for the benefit of the client, to enrich his overall experience, to make him feel great, as much as some of it is a practical matter for us. We all have to eat. All that said, I really enjoy longer term hires. The best ones are clients with whom I’ve built up a good working relationship over many shorter hires. They say it’s worth every penny and more. It’s like giving someone the best day (weekend, week, whatever) of their life. Or at least the best day they have had in a long time. For some, it’s once. For others, it’s once a month. For all, it’s special.

Nobody can speak for the entire LGBTQ+ community. We all have different experiences, identities, preferences, worldviews, and ways of living. It comes down to respect. I’d rather celebrate our vast diversity. Celebrate things we have in common too. Respect and move on from the things we don’t have in common. There is no reason to put others down. Body shaming, toxic masculinity, racism, transphobia, kink shaming, and othering have no legitimate place here. I’d rather certain members keep their toxic revulsion to themselves, but here we are and it’s not going away anytime soon. It’s part of the world and this is a microcosm of that world. We can’t change the problematic people. The best I think we can do is focus on celebrating our overlapping interests with positive comments and respecting differences, whatever those may be. Also move on from, or not participate in conversations about stuff that doesn’t interest us. Agree to disagree where we meet an impasse. Yuks and yums. We all have ‘em. There is no universal standard, and I am grateful for that. I don’t fit a lot of clients’ preferences. But I do fit other clients’ preferences. The right clients gravitate to me and love my work. I love the diversity my clients represent in terms of age, race, identity, ability, body type, and interests. They’re all different because I am not selecting them; they’re selecting me. I appeal to many types of people and I gladly serve them all. This is a business. I have to pay my bills whether or not my clients fit any particular beauty standard, be it yours, the “majority’s”, or mine. Their money is as good to me as anyone else’s. That’s one of the many reasons I see no point in discounting services for a certain type of person. My time, skills, and effort offer value regardless of what the client looks like. It behooves me to fill my schedule with people who value my time and talents the way I do. Every slot filled with discount clients is time I am not developing clients that value me as much as I do. Time NOT working is valuable to me too. One of the keys to success is attracting and retaining the right clients. Quantity matters, but quality even moreso. I value clients that value me.